United States Discovered in the Bible

[ezra]

Being in between is being decisive not having all the facts. You are right though as the point is we do need to be prepared first and foremost to be His Bride when Jesus does return.

When John Hagee had his other church before he built his mega church he had no time for his congregation. I attended his old church once as my sister was a member there and when I asked to meet him his Elders said he does not meet with anyone in his congregation. Is that a true Shepard, I think not. Nowhere in scripture does it speak of any pre, mid rapture as Christ returns on the last day after the sounding of the seventh trumpet and during that time of the last day we are caught up to him.

i have not listened to him in years but if not mistaken he is pre trib. that is the question i asked how does being a pre trib teacher make one false?

Being in between is being decisive not having all the facts.

no its matter of it is not %100 clear either way. it goes the same with osas vs osnas teaching ..who is right depends on who you ask. what i dont believe is going through the full 7 years and facing his wrath being poured out on the earth . but back to the topic what makes pre trib teaching false. i am asking for specifics.once again the calling of false teacher . i use to get that posting in carm .they cringe at the word free will

 

[for_his_glory]

i have not listened to him in years but if not mistaken he is pre trib. that is the question i asked how does being a pre trib teacher make one false? no its matter of it is not %100 clear either way. it goes the same with osas vs osnas teaching ..who is right depends on who you ask. what i dont believe is going through the full 7 years and facing his wrath being poured out on the earth . but back to the topic what makes pre trib teaching false. i am asking for specifics.once again the calling of false teacher . i use to get that posting in carm .they cringe at the word free will

If it's not found in scripture then I have a tendency to not believe in pretrib teachings, especially when they all pretty much use Rev 4:1,2 as proof, which speaks nothing of any pretrib rapture. America being a nation is found in scripture even though it is not named as many nations are not named as they did not exist in the time of the writings of the Prophets and Apostles. There is no nation that will escape God's wrath, but those who are sealed of God will not be harmed by all that which must come first before the return of Christ. The seven trumpets sounding will be God's greatest wake up call to either repent and turn back to Him or face damnation.

 

[for_his_glory]

History is written by the victors. Ask the native Americans if their history matches ours.

My point is; it seems to me to be a waste of time to devote so much energy to the study of why the Jesuits are part of the New World Order etc. etc. etc.

Jesus said to pray for your enemies.
So pray for the Jesuits.

Jesus said to judge no one and to forgive everyone.
Your dedication to the study and proclamation the evils of the Jesuits suggests to me that you have been distracted from the love of even our enemies.

That's all.

iakov the fool

So by what you say here is that we need to love Satan and forgive and pray for him as he is our greatest enemy.

There are two types of people that are Spiritually born again. One being a watchman like that of Ezekiel, looking for those things which must come to past to warn others before the return of Christ and then the non-watchers that could care less, but could possibly be decieved by that which they know nothing about as they do not heed the warnings. It's what is written in Ezekiel 33:1-9; Matthew 24:15-31; Hebrews 11:7; 2 Peter 3:9-18. Being a watchman also gives encouragement to others to not fear that which must come, but be prepared and to endure and keep our focus on Christ and the promise of our inheritance of eternal life with the Father.

 

[ezra]

If it's not found in scripture then I have a tendency to not believe in pretrib teachings, especially when they all pretty much use Rev 4:1,2 as proof, which speaks nothing of any pretrib rapture. America being a nation is found in scripture even though it is not named as many nations are not named as they did not exist in the time of the writings of the Prophets and Apostles. There is no nation that will escape God's wrath, but those who are sealed of God will not be harmed by all that which must come first before the return of Christ. The seven trumpets sounding will be God's greatest wake up call to either repent and turn back to Him or face damnation.

4 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing aopen in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a btrumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.” this does not promote any theory .but back to my point when you call someone a false teacher that says they are fake and the truth is not in them i am looking for evidence David Jeremiah is a purse line and fake /false teacher right off hand he is the only one that teaches pre trib.i know there are others who teach it.. i do not follow prophecy teachers i have listened to him .i have read one of his books .if not mistaken most southern baptist are pre trib. while i am not southern baptist they do have some good preachers. James merit is another one. all though i dont recall him ever saying .
this is a description of false teachers
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 peter 2
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
the Bible says no man knows the day or hour .we hashed this out before unless scripture expressly says thus saith the Lord .then we are using private interpretations as we feel this is how it should be.. it does not fake one false .jw latter day saints they are fake as they have twisted the word of God around


see i do not agree with saying the united states is listed . nothing in scripture says that. will the u.s be included ?yup along with every other nation . russia is a hungry bear they will try to rise to more power.. but china is behind the scenes of world power

 

[for_his_glory]

4 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing aopen in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a btrumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.” this does not promote any theory .but back to my point when you call someone a false teacher that says they are fake and the truth is not in them i am looking for evidence David Jeremiah is a purse line and fake /false teacher right off hand he is the only one that teaches pre trib.i know there are others who teach it.. i do not follow prophecy teachers i have listened to him .i have read one of his books .if not mistaken most southern baptist are pre trib. while i am not southern baptist they do have some good preachers. James merit is another one. all though i dont recall him ever saying .
this is a description of false teachers
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 peter 2
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
the Bible says no man knows the day or hour .we hashed this out before unless scripture expressly says thus saith the Lord .then we are using private interpretations as we feel this is how it should be.. it does not fake one false .jw latter day saints they are fake as they have twisted the word of God around


see i do not agree with saying the united states is listed . nothing in scripture says that. will the u.s be included ?yup along with every other nation . russia is a hungry bear they will try to rise to more power.. but china is behind the scenes of world power

Any land around the world that became to be settled as a nation after that of what was already written of in the scriptures would not be found written in the Bible. History does not change nor the evil ruling powers being after the workings of the prince of this world that first worked through Nimrod who was the first ruler over the Assyrian Empire. This Empire fell to the Babylonian Empire that fell to the Medo – Persian Empire, that fell to the Grecian Empire, that fell to the Roman Empire that still exist today and has diplomatic ties with every nation including America. This ruling power being Satan who works through those who are blinded and deceived by him has always ruled the evil within this world and will bring in a New World Order of total domination of all nations as even now is working on setting up its mark before the return of Christ who will destroy this beast and its false prophet casting them into the lake of fire.

 

[ezra]

once again you called pretrib teachers false teacher--fake -not real .just because they dont line up with your belief does not make them fake. the baptist and the Pentecostals trade these barbs back and forth

 

[Jim Parker]

So by what you say here is that we need to love Satan and forgive and pray for him as he is our greatest enemy.

Is that what Jesus meant when he said to love your enemies?

 

[for_his_glory]

Is that what Jesus meant when he said to love your enemies?

I don't know, you tell me. Is Satan not our greatest enemy?

 

[for_his_glory]

once again you called pretrib teachers false teacher--fake -not real .just because they dont line up with your belief does not make them fake. the baptist and the Pentecostals trade these barbs back and forth

I'm neither Baptist or Pentecostal nor of any denomination/non-denomination. What I am is a Spiritually born again blood bought child of the God of all creation.

Like I said earlier, I use to believe in all those pretrib teachings before I really got into studying scripture as I was young in the Lord with little knowledge at that time and believed everything that came out of the pulpit. It wasn't until I started maturing in the word through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit i Found those scriptures they give say nothing about a pretrib rapture. If you want to believe it then so be it as Jesus only returns once on the last day, Matthew 24:29-31; John 6:40, 1 Corinthians 15:52; 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12; Rev 19:11-21.

Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

I'm done with the pretrib discussion as that needs to be another topic if you would like to start a new thread on this subject.

 

[ezra]

I'm done with the pretrib discussion as that needs to be another topic if you would like to start a new thread on this subject.

i would be to as you never answered my question what makes them a false teacher ? would those who teach baptism of the spirit speaking in tongues be false teaching if one was a southern baptist . you have yet to give one scripture that proves your point

 

[for_his_glory]

i would be to as you never answered my question what makes them a false teacher ? would those who teach baptism of the spirit speaking in tongues be false teaching if one was a southern baptist . you have yet to give one scripture that proves your point

To answer your question I just gave you six scriptures whic you never took the time to look up before your reply. so ya I answered your question and now moving on. It you want a civil discussion please start another thread and I will be happy to discuss this with you.

 

[Jim Parker]

I don't know, you tell me. Is Satan not our greatest enemy?

You really don't know if Jesus meant to include Satan in His instruction to love your enemies?
Can Satan be saved?
Did Jesus die for Satan's sins?

Maybe you could go back and read over that passage a few times and see if you can come up with an answer to your question on your own. (With some Holy Spirit help, of course.)

Give it a try. :wink

 

[ezra]

To answer your question I just gave you six scriptures whic you never took the time to look up before your reply. so ya I answered your question and now moving on. It you want a civil discussion please start another thread and I will be happy to discuss this with you.

this is civil nothing in scripture says pre trib is false teacher in them exact words i asked for a explanation i used john hagee you asked to speak to him .his elders said he doesn't speak to him members would that make him false teacher ? maybe not but would sure make him a poor preacher and i would never darken his doors i asked you about D.R David Jeremiah ..your reply?????????? nothing understand your position on the tribulation is not in question the word pre mid tribulation is not in the Bible either just tribulation .

 

[for_his_glory]

You really don't know if Jesus meant to include Satan in His instruction to love your enemies?
Can Satan be saved?
Did Jesus die for Satan's sins?

Maybe you could go back and read over that passage a few times and see if you can come up with an answer to your question on your own. (With some Holy Spirit help, of course.)

Give it a try. :wink

No I don't have to go back and reread it as Jesus never meant Satan in His statement of loving and praying for our enemies. It is written already about his fate and Gods word does not come back void to Him.

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. This is the same devil that tempted Jesus in the wilderness and the same one who tries to temp us everyday.

 

[for_his_glory]

this is civil nothing in scripture says pre trib is false teacher in them exact words i asked for a explanation i used john hagee you asked to speak to him .his elders said he doesn't speak to him members would that make him false teacher ? maybe not but would sure make him a poor preacher and i would never darken his doors i asked you about D.R David Jeremiah ..your reply?????????? nothing understand your position on the tribulation is not in question the word pre mid tribulation is not in the Bible either just tribulation .

You have a good evening Ezra as I am done derailing this thread. Start another thread and I will be happy to continue our discussion there.

 

[ezra]

You have a good evening Ezra as I am done derailing this thread. Start another thread and I will be happy to continue our discussion there.

no its over you started this i simply asked questions got no answers you have a good evening

 

[Jim Parker]

No I don't have to go back and reread it as Jesus never meant Satan in His statement of loving and praying for our enemies.

And I never said: ".... we need to love Satan and forgive and pray for him as he is our greatest enemy." as you accused me of saying in your post #63.
I never suggested that.
I have no idea why you would think that I did.

 

[ezra]

i am sorry it escalated this far . i did how ever have a question and asked for specific answer ..but hey another day another subject no blood spilled just disagreements

 

[for_his_glory]

And I never said: ".... we need to love Satan and forgive and pray for him as he is our greatest enemy." as you accused me of saying in your post #63.
I never suggested that.
I have no idea why you would think that I did.

I never said you said that. What I said was "So by what you say here is that we need to love Satan and forgive and pray for him as he is our greatest enemy." It was a question to you, not an accusation. Maybe I should have used a question mark instead of a period. I do apologize.

 

[for_his_glory]

i am sorry it escalated this far . i did how ever have a question and asked for specific answer ..but hey another day another subject no blood spilled just disagreements

I don't want to go back and forth with this discussion within this thread, but I just wanted you to know that I answered your question in post #69 and gave you those scriptures. Nothing should have to escalate between a brother and sister in Christ within any discussions even if we do not agree as I asked you to start a new thread where we could discuss all of this. If you don't that's fine.

God bless.