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Universal Reconciliation - False teaching poll
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IndianaEnoch
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Jason,
None of your choices would be correct for my answer. I do not think iUR has scripturial support, but then I do not think calvanism or arminianism has total support in scripture. So I would say all have some area of false teaching, but that is to strong of a statement.
None of your choices would be correct for my answer. I do not think iUR has scripturial support, but then I do not think calvanism or arminianism has total support in scripture. So I would say all have some area of false teaching, but that is to strong of a statement.
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Charlotte
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I would attend to agree with Indiana, that no one has all of the truth and we should all be working toward the goal of loving each other no matter what their beliefs are. That was the main teaching of Jesus, love one another.
I do not agree with some points of Calvinism or Arminianism but I know of no denomination that is perfect, if anyone knows of one I wish they would tell us.
Just think, what if everyone in all the world believed the exact same thing, these forums probably would not exist, we wouldn't have anything to talk about or discuss. Actually I think God meant for it to be this way, it builds character in us, teaches us to be respectful of others and helps us to grow and love our enemies... those who persecute us.
Besides, this same universal belief isn't going to happen in this lifetime, only when Christ is in all will this be accomplished. When God takes the blinders off of the eyes of man, then we can all see what is the absolute truth.
Charlotte
I do not agree with some points of Calvinism or Arminianism but I know of no denomination that is perfect, if anyone knows of one I wish they would tell us.
Just think, what if everyone in all the world believed the exact same thing, these forums probably would not exist, we wouldn't have anything to talk about or discuss. Actually I think God meant for it to be this way, it builds character in us, teaches us to be respectful of others and helps us to grow and love our enemies... those who persecute us.
Besides, this same universal belief isn't going to happen in this lifetime, only when Christ is in all will this be accomplished. When God takes the blinders off of the eyes of man, then we can all see what is the absolute truth.
Charlotte
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IndianaEnoch
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Charlotte,
Please don't ruin a good forum by saying things I agree with
I do agree that God allows our difference in order that we might know Him better. I don't agree with UR, but through you and others I did come ot realize that there are true believers who do not believe in eternal seperation. No where do I find that a belief in hell is prerequsite to salvation. And I do know some that preach hell over Jesus. Paul preached Christ and Him crucified. Despite my diagreements with UR, I do appreciate its focus on the love of God.
Please don't ruin a good forum by saying things I agree with
I do agree that God allows our difference in order that we might know Him better. I don't agree with UR, but through you and others I did come ot realize that there are true believers who do not believe in eternal seperation. No where do I find that a belief in hell is prerequsite to salvation. And I do know some that preach hell over Jesus. Paul preached Christ and Him crucified. Despite my diagreements with UR, I do appreciate its focus on the love of God.
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IndianaEnoch
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Jason said:
The above is false and a form of RELATIVISM. The topic of this poll was simple, it wasn't supposed to give you many options. Just three.
j:
No its not. Your question is wrong. The absolute truth is Jesus not YOUR ideas about someone's doctrine. I think UR is wrong and certianly has its false teachers, but It also teaches that Jesus is God, died for our sins, and is the only way. So I guess you could accuse me of relativism because I think truth is known by how it relates to Jesus not how it relates to someone's theory of salvation or hell.
Are the only ones who are saved the ones who agree point to point with your doctrine? If not, then you to might be a relativism.
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blueberry pie
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Jason said:
The truth that we can know is that Christ, the Son of God, died for us and set us free with His blood.
You quote this verse as if it proves Calvinism or something but anyone could use that verse and try and say it proves their doctrine.
The truth that sets us free is Jesus, not what one believes about hell.
I have read many testimonies of ex-Calvinists who lived in bondage to this doctrine, struggling with the kind of mean-spirited God it represents. They were thrilled to discover that God really does love everyone and not just a select few.
blueberry pie said:
This thread is about UR, you keep going off topic to the extreme. It seems you have a personal bone to pick with calvinist theology. I quoted that verse in proper context. Jesus was telling us we can know truth, period.
As for the testimonies you've read...most are written by culture reformed church members. God is great the saved know that, it's silly to think God can be reduced to a mean spirited (as if He were a man) God. God made the rules not you.
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blueberry pie
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Jason said:
LOL I didn't even realize I was posting ina thread about UR. :P I was just responding to your posts.
I'm sorry, no I don't have a bone to pick with Calvinism. I'm sorry if I've sounded rude.
Jason said:
The question is - what rules did God make? I cannot agree that Scripture supports a God who only loves a handful of His Creation.
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Henry
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I think that UR is a terrible doctrine that mocks the bible, and an absolute heresy. It is rejected by and unaccepted by the church as a whole.
The problem is that with UR one can be satanist all his life and die unrepented and still go to heaven, just does not line up with the bible.
At anyrate, what I have noticed, is that like all false teaching the first thing that happens is the one how teaches the false teaching will say, some thing like "all churches have some false teachings" then try to point out the ills of others, while taking the light off themselves.
Well, you guys have fun, this particular doctrine makes me feel sick, since it actually serves to discourage anyone from testifying about Jesus, I mean why? If we are saved anyways, certainly this UR is right outr of hell.
The problem is that with UR one can be satanist all his life and die unrepented and still go to heaven, just does not line up with the bible.
At anyrate, what I have noticed, is that like all false teaching the first thing that happens is the one how teaches the false teaching will say, some thing like "all churches have some false teachings" then try to point out the ills of others, while taking the light off themselves.
Well, you guys have fun, this particular doctrine makes me feel sick, since it actually serves to discourage anyone from testifying about Jesus, I mean why? If we are saved anyways, certainly this UR is right outr of hell.
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Charlotte
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Henry,
Do you know of any churches that don't have some wrong beliefs? Otherwise, do you know of any church that has the whole truth, if so, which one is it?
Charlotte
Do you know of any churches that don't have some wrong beliefs? Otherwise, do you know of any church that has the whole truth, if so, which one is it?
Charlotte
Charlotte said:
As the saying goes, "If you find the perfect church, don't join it. You'll ruin it."
: I believe some churches teach the whole Gospel truth, but being sinnful and human have a hard time living the message. So I would say, yes it is possible for a church to teach the whole Gospel.
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Charlotte
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Jason,
Where is that Church? What is the name of it?
Charlotte
Where is that Church? What is the name of it?
Charlotte
Charlotte said:
The church is often called the 'the Body of Christ,' other then that I don't think it has a name rather a group of beliefs, Biblical based doctrines found amoung its believers. They go by the name 'Christian' but often attach a traditional name.
Search the Word and you'll find that church, I did. I didn't agree with everything they taught at first, it took a time to allow my sinnful nature to be shaped by the Holy Spirit. I knew it was the truth by the Word of God and the work of the Holy Spirit amoung the people.
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Charlotte
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Jason,
The Ekklesia is Christ, He is the body, believers are members of that body. (Eph.5:30) "For we are members of His body". Christ is also the head of that Ekklesia, not some man who rules over the people.
By the way, if you want to know more truth, research the word Church and find out where the word originated from, you might be surprised.
Ekklesia: means, a group, an assembly, a crowd.
Church: means building. Jesus never said "I will build my building". which is what He would have ment if He had used the word Church.
Jesus said "I will build my Ekklesia", meaning congregation, assembly, or called out ones. Christ is the head of the true Ekklesia, not some man who has the rule over their congretation, The true Ekklesia is not an organization of men with some type of authority handed down from father to son. The Ekklesia of Christ has only one authority and that authority rest solely in Christ.
Charlotte
The Ekklesia is Christ, He is the body, believers are members of that body. (Eph.5:30) "For we are members of His body". Christ is also the head of that Ekklesia, not some man who rules over the people.
By the way, if you want to know more truth, research the word Church and find out where the word originated from, you might be surprised.
Ekklesia: means, a group, an assembly, a crowd.
Church: means building. Jesus never said "I will build my building". which is what He would have ment if He had used the word Church.
Jesus said "I will build my Ekklesia", meaning congregation, assembly, or called out ones. Christ is the head of the true Ekklesia, not some man who has the rule over their congretation, The true Ekklesia is not an organization of men with some type of authority handed down from father to son. The Ekklesia of Christ has only one authority and that authority rest solely in Christ.
Charlotte
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IndianaEnoch
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Jason said:
Little confused about what your saying, but if you are accuseing me of being an absolute follower of Jesus, I plead guilty. If you are accuseing me of being KJV only, I am innocent.
Integrety cannot exist without an absolute.