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Universal Reconciliation - False teaching poll
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IndianaEnoch
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blueberry pie said:
Hmm, Your answer must mean that I am right and you get your information from the internet.
Yes I get beliefs from books I read, but the key word is as you said, different. The UR internet wisdom quoted here is comming from a few teachers and websites of whom none are widely accepted. They all have one topic, UR. The books I read are not focused on eternal seperation. All the UR followers here would do well to broden their knowledge past what I see being posted by them.
Second, to say I am a greek schoolar would be an exageration, but I have studied greek for 2 semesters and graduated first or second in the classes. Would that mean I am more qualified than you Blueberry? It does mean I know enough to understand when someone is not translating something correctly. These greek charlatons make the absurb claim that the adjective can not be more powerful than the noun. Ridicules! An adjective modifies a noun, so it can extend a noun to a stronger meaning. Fine Linen vomited some of his ignorance on this subject by saying aionios is to aion as hour is to hourly. To which I replied eternally must not mean eternal. Fine Linen went back to his cuts a paste. Think Blueberry, is eternally eternal stronger than eternal? Of course. But what gave it its stronger meaning? The adjective. So when I hear that it should not read eternal damnation or eternal life, but should be age of ages damnation or age of ages life I shake my head in disbelief that anyone could fall for such trickery. If I said eternally damnation or eternally life it wouldn't mean forever. And yes, aion does mean eternal. It is used to talk about the chronological world not the physical. That is a simple as going to one of the online greek dictionaries and searching the word. Fine linen and these false teachers always omit the part from His cut and past that says eternal. Gee, I wonder why?
Blueberry, have you ever studied these things from some one who does not have a UR agenda?
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IndianaEnoch
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Jason said:
Foreverth and foreverth
Jason said:
Scofield: I love calling you Scofield! The Rev. Matthew Slick and company is your authority of the Koine, or the ways and purposes of the Eternal God who alone hath immortality?
And now back to your unanswered questions....
1. How, if it mean an endless period, can aion have a plural?
2. How came such phrases to be used as those repeatedly occurring in Scripture, where aion is added to aion, if aion is of itself infinite?
3. How come such phrases as for the "aion" or aions and beyond?--ton aiona kai ep aiona kai eti: eis tous aionas kai eti.--(see Sept. Ex. 15:18...Dan. 12:3...Micah 4:5)
4. How is it that we repeatedly read of the end of the aion?--Matt. 13:39-40-49;...Matt. 24:3...Matt. 28:20...1 Cor. 10:11...Hebr. 9:26.
5. Finally, if aion be infinite, why is it applied over and over to what is strictly finite? e.g. Mark 4:19...Acts 3:21...Rom. 12:2...1 Cor. 1:20...1 Cor. 2:6...1 Cor. 3:18, 10:11, etc. etc.
"He has made known to us the secret of His will.
And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--
The purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in heaven and things on earth, to find their one head in Him.
And you too, who in Him were made heirs, having been chosen beforehand in accordance with the intention of Him whose might carries out in everything the design of His own will."
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IndianaEnoch
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This arrogance is what I have come to love about Fine Linen. He is so much above us that he becomes our inquiator rather than just telling us what he thinks like the reat of us poor naives do.
1 What would age of ages mean?
2 why would I use the phrase age of ages?
3 how else would one say age of ages?
4 how is it that a single age would not have an end
5 how is it that forever can mean something different when I say "I haven't seen you forever" or I say "live forever"
6 what must one do to be saved, when were you saved, have you ever led anyone to a saving knowledge of Jesus? Show me your fruits.
1 What would age of ages mean?
2 why would I use the phrase age of ages?
3 how else would one say age of ages?
4 how is it that a single age would not have an end
5 how is it that forever can mean something different when I say "I haven't seen you forever" or I say "live forever"
6 what must one do to be saved, when were you saved, have you ever led anyone to a saving knowledge of Jesus? Show me your fruits.
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Charlotte
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Indiana,
What FineLinen is saying is, the word eternal should not even be in most of the scriptures that it is in. Take the word Church for instance, it shouldn't even be in the Bible. The right word for Church is Ekklesia. Both words have totally different meanings.
Yes, eternal means eternal if it is in the right sentence. For instance, if I said "God's love is eternal", you can know that would be true, If I said "my love for you is eternal", you might want to question that, because man doesn't have the ability to love forever like God does, besides, we die so our love ceases for a time.
Maybe this is not the best scenario but it is true.
One doesn't need the internet to show that everyone will be saved, the Bible will do just fine. Common sense and a willingness to question things and a thirst for the truth and most of all, God opening the mind, is all one needs to come to the truth. Of course it is all up to God what one believes.
I believed in all being saved long before I ever got a computer, so quit saying I get all of my information from it. I've only had my computer three years. I know a Greek and Hebrew scholar. That don't mean I know everything, but I feel I do know a little about these words that are being discussed.
Charlotte
What FineLinen is saying is, the word eternal should not even be in most of the scriptures that it is in. Take the word Church for instance, it shouldn't even be in the Bible. The right word for Church is Ekklesia. Both words have totally different meanings.
Yes, eternal means eternal if it is in the right sentence. For instance, if I said "God's love is eternal", you can know that would be true, If I said "my love for you is eternal", you might want to question that, because man doesn't have the ability to love forever like God does, besides, we die so our love ceases for a time.
Maybe this is not the best scenario but it is true.
One doesn't need the internet to show that everyone will be saved, the Bible will do just fine. Common sense and a willingness to question things and a thirst for the truth and most of all, God opening the mind, is all one needs to come to the truth. Of course it is all up to God what one believes.
I believed in all being saved long before I ever got a computer, so quit saying I get all of my information from it. I've only had my computer three years. I know a Greek and Hebrew scholar. That don't mean I know everything, but I feel I do know a little about these words that are being discussed.
Charlotte
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IndianaEnoch
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Charlotte,
You are certianly a more reasonable person then FL. I understnad what he is trying to say, but I do not agree with it. Your motivation is from a love for God and even though I do not agree with you, I respect you. FL's agenda is to win a debate. His doctrine is more important to him then Jesus. neer has he told me how one is saved which shows me he has a hidden agenda that he keeps it cloaked.
The internet teacher comment was not directly intended for you. I do wish you would broden your knowledge, and I wish you would become part of a local church, but as I said, you are a reasonable person and I appreciate your veiws. I think if you could step back some from UR you would see that FL is not like you. There is no fruit on his tree. All he does is try to convert the already convinced to UR.
Anyway, sorry I hit you with the teacher comment. You are one who does share whats on her heart. I feel the same about blueberry also. To be honest you are one of the reasons I could not respond to Jason's poll. I do not believe UR is true, but you are.
You are certianly a more reasonable person then FL. I understnad what he is trying to say, but I do not agree with it. Your motivation is from a love for God and even though I do not agree with you, I respect you. FL's agenda is to win a debate. His doctrine is more important to him then Jesus. neer has he told me how one is saved which shows me he has a hidden agenda that he keeps it cloaked.
The internet teacher comment was not directly intended for you. I do wish you would broden your knowledge, and I wish you would become part of a local church, but as I said, you are a reasonable person and I appreciate your veiws. I think if you could step back some from UR you would see that FL is not like you. There is no fruit on his tree. All he does is try to convert the already convinced to UR.
Anyway, sorry I hit you with the teacher comment. You are one who does share whats on her heart. I feel the same about blueberry also. To be honest you are one of the reasons I could not respond to Jason's poll. I do not believe UR is true, but you are.
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blueberry pie
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IndianaEnoch said:
You are a good person, Indiana. Too many people resort to insults and accusing heresy and questioning other people's Salvation statises. I really appreciate someone who "knows them by their fruit" and can recognize a true Christian THROUGH the doctrinal differences and disagreeances. God bless you for your humbleness.
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Charlotte
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Indiana,
Indiana, thank you for your kind words, they touched my heart.
Charlotte
Indiana, thank you for your kind words, they touched my heart.
Charlotte
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Beloved_1
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IndianaEnoch said:
What is an inquiator? Are the reat of the poor naives, naive?
UR---false teaching?
To whom it may concern:
If one were to set forth many of the attributes of God , one might come up with: God is omnipotent (all powerful), omniscient (all knowing). ever present, ever loving, full of grace, incorruptable, immortal, eternal. etc.
Whenever "God" is used in the bible, is it necessary to list all these qualities and attributes of God? Wouldn't that be superfluous? Don't we know all this about God, plus many others, I'm sure?
So, to say that God is "the God of the ages" or is "an age-lasting God" is shot down by most bible scholars, as not possible for it implies that God only lasts, or lives for an age. But, they are forgetting who God is. as defined somewhat above.
No one has trouble singing that good old favorite, "Rock of Ages, Cleft for Me." So do we stop and think, "Well, God is not a rock, I'm not going to sing this."? No, of course not! Because, we understand that "rock" is a metaphor for God. We know that any rock on this present earth will not last forever. Yet, we sing and enjoy the song.
My point is, that in Eph. 3:11, we are told that God has "a plan for the ages which he made in Christ Jesus our Lord." Not "an eternal plan", for if that were true, it would never be completed. I quoted from Rotherham's N. T.
Someone asked, what does "age of ages" mean? Good question. What does "king of kings" mean? Or lord of lords? It means that there is one King and one Lord who is the chief, the greatest, of all the kings and lords.
So, likewise: "age of ages" means the chief or greatest, most glorious age.
I won't list anyl at this time, but the scriptures speak of "ages past", at least two; "this present evil age"; and "ages to come", at least two. Making at least five.
Jesus spoke of "this age" and "the age to come." IMO, the Messianic kingdom, the hope of Israel, is the age to come. In it the restored earth will be wonderful, like a garden of Eden. But , the last age will be the New Heavens and Earth, which will be the most glorious, majestic age of all.
Bye for now, Bick
To whom it may concern:
If one were to set forth many of the attributes of God , one might come up with: God is omnipotent (all powerful), omniscient (all knowing). ever present, ever loving, full of grace, incorruptable, immortal, eternal. etc.
Whenever "God" is used in the bible, is it necessary to list all these qualities and attributes of God? Wouldn't that be superfluous? Don't we know all this about God, plus many others, I'm sure?
So, to say that God is "the God of the ages" or is "an age-lasting God" is shot down by most bible scholars, as not possible for it implies that God only lasts, or lives for an age. But, they are forgetting who God is. as defined somewhat above.
No one has trouble singing that good old favorite, "Rock of Ages, Cleft for Me." So do we stop and think, "Well, God is not a rock, I'm not going to sing this."? No, of course not! Because, we understand that "rock" is a metaphor for God. We know that any rock on this present earth will not last forever. Yet, we sing and enjoy the song.
My point is, that in Eph. 3:11, we are told that God has "a plan for the ages which he made in Christ Jesus our Lord." Not "an eternal plan", for if that were true, it would never be completed. I quoted from Rotherham's N. T.
Someone asked, what does "age of ages" mean? Good question. What does "king of kings" mean? Or lord of lords? It means that there is one King and one Lord who is the chief, the greatest, of all the kings and lords.
So, likewise: "age of ages" means the chief or greatest, most glorious age.
I won't list anyl at this time, but the scriptures speak of "ages past", at least two; "this present evil age"; and "ages to come", at least two. Making at least five.
Jesus spoke of "this age" and "the age to come." IMO, the Messianic kingdom, the hope of Israel, is the age to come. In it the restored earth will be wonderful, like a garden of Eden. But , the last age will be the New Heavens and Earth, which will be the most glorious, majestic age of all.
Bye for now, Bick
