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th1b.taylor

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<style type="text/css"> <!-- @page { margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } A:link { so-language: zxx } --> </style> I was born, just as World War II, just as the two conflicts were ending and ecause of this I did not know real conflict until President Johnson decided to upscale the Vietnam Civil War into a matter of world concern. With a prolific German grandfather and Irish grandmother I had uncles that fought in WW II and in Korea. One of my German named uncles even died fighting his relatives in Europe for the good of this nation.


My dad, my Step-father, was a twelve year, two war American Veteran and I had real life heroes. Lying here on my VA supplied Hospital Style Bed, I'm watching Hannity interview General McChrystal and I'm struck by one of his comments, “A veteran is a person you thank for their service when you see them in the airport.†There is more truth in that statement than any non-vet will ever dwell upon.


From the moment this nation declared itself, it has been dependent upon the men willing to die for it's right to exist. We have, in these, most, recent years not cared to know these men for more reasons than I'll ever care to examine but men that are willing to die for what they believe in will be forever required until the LORD ends this mess and recreates the world, perfected.


The missing truth, I didn't forget, they don't live in your community and you don't want to know them, these nuts that believe so much in the safety of there moms, sisters, wives, girlfriends and children that they walk into live gunfire to stop it. If you choose to respond to this post, please think before typing. I am not talking about you son, your brother or the kid in your church that you send the most useless things imaginable to in a country you could care less about.


I wear pins for some of my medals on my hats and I get these condescending “Thank you for your service,†remarks all of the time. No man and no woman can ever take the spittle that dripped from my face in November of 1969 away. I knew before I came home that the American people despised me, my men and my Officers and I did not care then and I still do not care! Those of us that defend this nation, against your desire to allow your children to be slaughtered in their front yards and much worse for not resisting, will not see this country in the condition we have seen overseas because of the nation's, in general, cowardice.


I did not call you a coward! However, you might want to ask yourself, “What am I doing to shore up the defense, the required defense, of this nation.†And if you see a GI on the highway, can he spend a night on your couch and get supper and breakfast before going on?
 
We'll see whose hearts are available for the works of God and it is for His Glory.

I forgot to continue in the OP but the pins are not to tell anyone what I did, they are to remind people that some are still MIA and Expired, they are worn for their memory. If they were for me I'd wear all of them and look stupid.
 
My father was a cold-war era Navy man. He missed all the "active conflicts" (not by much in the case of Vietnam). I elected to go the Army route. I did go to Iraq. I do think the troubles our Vietnam/Korea era vets have gone through have taught at least the VA some lessons in how to recognized troubled military folks. I do tend to think that the bulk of America just doesn't want to know what it takes to keep our country going and safe.
 
My father was a cold-war era Navy man. He missed all the "active conflicts" (not by much in the case of Vietnam). I elected to go the Army route. I did go to Iraq. I do think the troubles our Vietnam/Korea era vets have gone through have taught at least the VA some lessons in how to recognized troubled military folks. I do tend to think that the bulk of America just doesn't want to know what it takes to keep our country going and safe.
Well, any kind of a Veteran, other than the classic Saigon Warrior, do not want them to know, either. I never want my wife to know, first hand, what wakes me in the night. And as for the VA, they were only a result of the problem and they will never be the cure.

God bless my friend.
 
I treat vets for addiction. We've got a VA contract to do that. I'm a vet myself. Twenty years, two wars and three minor interdictions in between. One thing strikes me, consistently: The men coming into our program blaming their service for their addiction, when asked if they spent time in combat, reply "no." So how did service cause their addiction? I've seen these types since I left Vietnam. The supply clerks and forklift drivers in Saigon and Da Nang are the ones who claim service-connected disabilities. It makes me sick. The real men who fought the battles, took the wounds, and came home closed-lipped, did, for the most part, just like my dad and the five million others who went to WWII and came home in one piece: They left their shops, farms and stores, saved the world, and came home and went back to the shops, farms and stores and acted as if nothing had happened.

Most Vietnam combat vets, though they may not be credited with saving the world, did save a small part of it for a time, until our government let the media and the loud-mouthed minority scare them into abandoning the fight. And those guys, too, came home and went back to their lives without sharing their experiences. If they had, it would have scared the daylights out of most anyone.

There are some combat veterans who are hurting. They are the ones who deserve our prayers, our help, and yeah, Taylor, maybe a warm bed and a couple hot meals every now and then. The rest? Well, like the ones I see, they've got major problems, for certain. But they are self-inflicted. The military didn't do it to them. They did it to themselves. I've revised an old saying for these guys: "Truth is lamer than fiction." Yet they still need help. Just don't get confused by their stories. Sometimes they aren't true. In fact, if they've got a story, it probably isn't true. The real ones don't talk about it.
 
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I treat vets for addiction. We've got a VA contract to do that. I'm a vet myself. Twenty years, two wars and three minor interdictions in between. One thing strikes me, consistently: The men coming into our program blaming their service for their addiction, when asked if they spent time in combat, reply "no." So how did service cause their addiction? I've seen these types since I left Vietnam. The supply clerks and forklift drivers in Saigon and Da Nang are the ones who claim service-connected disabilities. It makes me sick. The real men who fought the battles, took the wounds, and came home closed-lipped, did, for the most part, just like my dad and the five million others who went to WWII and came home in one piece: They left their shops, farms and stores, saved the world, and came home and went back to the shops, farms and stores and acted as if nothing had happened.

Most Vietnam combat vets, though they may not be credited with saving the world, did save a small part of it for a time, until our government let the media and the loud-mouthed minority scare them into abandoning the fight. And those guys, too, came home and went back to their lives without sharing their experiences. If they had, it would have scared the daylights out of most anyone.

There are some combat veterans who are hurting. They are the ones who deserve our prayers, our help, and yeah, Taylor, maybe a warm bed and a couple hot meals every now and then. The rest? Well, like the ones I see, they've got major problems, for certain. But they are self-inflicted. The military didn't do it to them. They did it to themselves. I've revised an old saying for these guys: "Truth is lamer than fiction." Yet they still need help. Just don't get confused by their stories. Sometimes they aren't true. In fact, if they've got a story, it probably isn't true. The real ones don't talk about it.
There's not a lot for me to say about what you've said here and as I said, this is not about us old farts, we've got it covered. You're free to say all that you wish but of course, what you've asserted has nothing to do with the men of the Killer Spades nor to do with the Jar-Heads. Those two are not exclusive groups but they are representative of the greater groups of men I spoke of, the new Combat Veterans.

I have no idea the measure of your stats but I do know what it is to be under the gun, 24 hours a day, every day and I know there are young men living that same life for old sots just like me right now and I try to think before I disregard them. Without them, this nation will fall, just as Mr. not President Obama has sworn to do.

I can understand your distrust of the Saigon breeds but for every one of them there are a hundred real soldiers and life experience has revealed far to many of them locked up in prisons because they fell through the cracks. I will not attempt to debate the validity of your assertions but if you are as Blood Tested as you indicate, I will caution you to use what you know to test what you are publishing for public consumption.
 
Well, any kind of a Veteran, other than the classic Saigon Warrior, do not want them to know, either. I never want my wife to know, first hand, what wakes me in the night. And as for the VA, they were only a result of the problem and they will never be the cure.

God bless my friend.[/QUOT

When I got to Viet Nam as a medic, I really did ask for an assignment at a hospital in Saigon.

The guy just laughed and sent me to where I could wake up in the morning and view North Viet Nam.
 
Well, any kind of a Veteran, other than the classic Saigon Warrior, do not want them to know, either. I never want my wife to know, first hand, what wakes me in the night. And as for the VA, they were only a result of the problem and they will never be the cure.

God bless my friend.[/QUOT

When I got to Viet Nam as a medic, I really did ask for an assignment at a hospital in Saigon.

The guy just laughed and sent me to where I could wake up in the morning and view North Viet Nam.
Do you know Col John Robert? He is in Houston, Texas now and until I fell from my truck, every time he saew me, that big black man would lift me off the ground and insist that I had been in the 11th Marines because Army Stooges didn't ever fight like that. Yep, he was in Khe San when we flew in there to stop that NVA stupidity. 1968, but he refuses to look upon the Horse tatooed on my right shoulder. LOL!
 
... but if you are as Blood Tested as you indicate, I will caution you to use what you know to test what you are publishing for public consumption.
173rd Assault, part of the 509th, followed by command tours (via a field commission made permanent with OTS) with the 101st, 82nd, and 1st over those 20 years. That's all I'm ever going to publicly say about my service. And I see the very things I've posted here every day. I know what I'm talking about.

I know there are some battle-hardened vets who fell through the cracks and wound up in prison or psych wards. No question about it. But my experience is that the vast majority of those who served went home and suffered in silence. Some became drunks and got help. Far less than a third of them ever got evaluated for PTSD, even though most of us had it. Or still have it. Now Vietnam vets are flooding the VA assisted living and nursing homes because their health problems -- the direct result of their untreated mental health and addiction issues -- have them at the relatively young age of 65 or 70, unable to take care of themselves.

The real ones thought they were too tough to get help. The wimps who did little to nothing claimed the benefits of the real warriors. It's criminal. But I don't make professional judgments. I treat them as they come. I confront the frauds, gently and with love and we get to the bottom of the real problem, which was usually deep-seated and long held, way before Vietnam.

The young vets are presenting a new problem. They are coming into treatment in droves, because guys like us laid the groundwork. We forced the VA to address our issues. Now the VA is getting smart again. They have stopped asking the questions that get guys into treatment for addiction, PTSD and depression. The VA forces these young men and women to storm the gates seeking services the VA won't offer otherwise. You're right, Bill, it's a problem. A big problem. But the frauds who made the VA wary of offering wholesale treatment in the first place are the ones to blame for the kids not getting what they need.

'Nuff said. I'm done. Thanks for letting me vent.
 
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