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JDM

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I am new here.
I enjoy studying Biblical maybe time periods.
And this is something I did today.
A bit tedious, but it shows a different point of view trying to establish the most important dates in our Christian history.
I think it will be worth a glance.
JDM:wave

Door of Life

Keep knockin' and you can't come in,

Shake the door-handle, but you can't come in.

I know you're worried, but you can't come in.

Unless you shout the code, you can't come in.

"Verily I say unto you, I know you not, and so you can't come in"

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First I need to extract the code number '1073' from the Earth's orbit around the Sun.

The precise orbit period issued for the year 2011 is 31,556,925.25 seconds or 365.242190419 days.

And 365.242190419 days x 365.242190419 days x 10 and divided by 1,243.260556 days = code number '1073'

Counting 1,243.260556 days, from 8 am November 11, AD26, when Jesus left the wilderness to commence his ministry, it is 3:00:08 pm Friday, April 7, AD30, Passover Eve, when Jesus died nailed to the Cross.

Thus Jesus was baptized at 8 am October 1, AD26 (his 31st birthday) and 41 days later he left the wilderness.

And so the Earth's orbit around the Sun for 2011, is about 10 seconds longer than AD30, and so a more accurate ministry time period is seen using the code number '1073' with the Earth's 2011 orbit.

Let's now pretend the number for the Door of Life is 1.618033989 (the Phi, the Golden Rule - also I assume this is the "I AM" the 'Alpha and Omega' reference).

And the Golden Rule cubed thrice = 439,204.

And 439,204 divided by the code number '1073' and x Pi = 1,285.927362 days.

Counting 1,285.927362 days from the baptism of Jesus at 8 am October 1, AD26 it is 7:00:20 am Sunday, April 9, AD30, when Jesus took a vial of his own blood into Heaven's Throne Room, 40 hours after his death on the Cross. (I assume he was resurrected into the tomb at say 4 am and maybe about 5 am he took his ascent into Heaven).

So I started with Phi and this revealed the time period for the Resurrection into Heaven of Jesus, as well as the code number 1073. And the Earth's precise orbit around the Sun squared and divided by 1073 the ministry period of Jesus until his death nailed to a Cross.
 
When we consider it is what Jesus did that is important, the actual dates seem unimportant. :nod
 
Vic C. said:
When we consider it is what Jesus did that is important, the actual dates seem unimportant. :nod
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As God made the fourth dimension for a reason, I think time is important and what could be more :sadimportant than the date of the Crucifixion?

I would have thought every bit of circumstantial evidence we can find to help prove God is very sensible indeed.

Thanks
JDM
 
JDM said:
As God made the fourth dimension for a reason, I think time is important and what could be more :sadimportant than the date of the Crucifixion?

I would have thought every bit of circumstantial evidence we can find to help prove God is very sensible indeed.

Thanks
JDM
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The Crucifixion it's self.


I will PM tim to make sure he does not miss your thread... maybe you two will have some fun with your numbers..
 
JDM said:
(I assume he was resurrected into the tomb at say 4 am and maybe about 5 am he took his ascent into Heaven).
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No offense, but you're assuming an aweful lot more than that.

Also, take it from an engineer: in real mathematics and engineering you can't just mash numbers together regardless of their units. Units count, ignore them and you might as well just be doodling stick figures, because you're not doing anything meaningful with numbers.

Finally, phi is not the "golden rule," it's known as the "golden ratio" (because it shows up so often in nature), but it's no longer anything meaningful if you start doing arbitrary things to it, like cubing it.

I would suggest you stop goofing around with numbers and actually study what the Bible says. Trust me, there's enough there to occupy you for a lifetime without dabbling in arcane, and totally subjective, number games.

Good luck to you.
 
Thanks but:

"I would suggest you stop goofing around with numbers and actually study what the Bible says. Trust me, there's enough there to occupy you for a lifetime without dabbling arcane, and totally subjective, number games."

I would very much appreciate other Christians who can offer up some meaningful, and maybe arbitrary time periods for the ministry of Jesus Christ, but no one does. The Christians of today just aren't interested.

Another way I can reach the resurrection time is to use the Golden Ratio, I say it is the "I AM" and is found in the speed of light.

"I AM" the "Light"

Golden Ratio 1.618033989 increased to 1.618033989e+46 squared x 10 and square root 7 times and /1,000,000 and reciprocate = 186,282.5045 mps (299,792.630 kms)

So Light comes out of the "I AM"

Resurrection out of Light and Darkness

The universal speed of gravity is 177,000 mps
Light at 186,282.5371 mps x 186,282.5371 mps x gravity at 177,000 mps and cube root = 183,135.4915 mps

183,135.4915 mps and /100,000 squared 4 times x 100 = 1,285.92713 days x 1,244.927134 days (a 41 days difference).

The first time period is from the baptism of Jesus at 8 am October 1, AD26 to 7am Sunday, morning April 9, AD30 when Jesus walked into the Throne Room in Heaven and handed a vial of his own blood to his Father God.

The second time period ends as the first time period but starts at 8 am November 11, AD26, when Jesus left the wilderness and began his ministry.

So the Darkness was over come by Light so Jesus could enter the Throne Room.

JDM
PS
I NEVER term what I do as mathematics, but just call it arithmetic, for measures and numbers are for me 'patterns' so to speak.

PPS
I started my Bible measurements/number research on January 20, 1987
 
While your math is fine, I'm not clear where you are pulling these numbers from. I can take any number and do some maneuvering around to obtain some integer.

From the get-go, it appears to the average reader that the code 1073 is derived using the tropical year of the earth squared, and multiplied by ten and divided by a number that nobody knows where you got it from then.... using that number to come up with the time span from Christ's ministry (or baptism) to crucifixion.

It would seem to me that it should be the other way around ---- from known dates derive a certain number of days, and then relate that to the earth's orbit to show a mathematical language.

The thing you are presenting here is similar to Bonnie Gaunt's work with numbers and Gematrias. While she has some points, I found the manipulations without any standard as to why she does that somewhat disturbing.

However, if we take the Great Pyramid, for example, we come up with a so-called prophetic chronograph plus many other universal constants with little or no manipulation at all. Now something like that I take a second look at.
 
Thanks for answering.

"From the get-go, it appears to the average reader that the code 1073 is derived using the tropical year of the earth squared, and multiplied by ten and divided by a number that nobody knows where you got it from then.... using that number to come up with the time span from Christ's ministry (or baptism) to crucifixion"

OK, because I am challenged to prove why and how, I don't like just dipping into archive and pick another offering out maybe 200+ so I go for a challenge. Meaning I try something new which I did a few minutes ago.

The Torah and Death and Resurrection

The meticulous process of hand-copying a scroll takes about 2,000 hours (a full-time job for one year). Throughout the centuries, Jewish scribes have adhered to the following guidelines: A Torah Scroll is disqualified if even a single letter is added. Every letter must have sufficient white space surrounding it. If one letter touched another in any spot, it invalidates the entire scroll. And If a single letter was so marred that it cannot be read at all, or resembles another letter (whether the defect is in the writing, or is due to a hole, tear or smudge), this invalidates the entire scroll. Each letter must be sufficiently legible so that even an ordinary schoolchild could distinguish it from other, similar letters.

And also a Torah Scroll in which any mistake has been found, cannot be used, and must be fixed within 30 days, or buried.

There are 304,805 letters in the Torah (approximately 79,000 words).

The Crucifixion
There are 12,607 days (34.516 years) from the birth of Jesus Christ at 2:30 am October 1, 6BC to his death on the Cross at 3 pm, Friday, April 7, AD30. So from conception of Mary at 2:30 am January 1, 6BC to the birth of Jesus is 273 days, so 12,880 days to his death on the Cross.
The Resurrection
And 12,880 days + 37 hours to the Resurrection of Jesus Christ into the tomb on Sunday morning, (it was still dark) at 4 am, April 9, AD30 is 12,881.541667 days.

OK, increase the 304,805 letters in the Torah to 3.04805000e+20 and divided by the time code 1073 of Death and divided by Pi x 42 and square root and divided by 12 = Birth to Cross of 12,607 days x Conception to Resurrection 12,881.5431 days, which is 4:02 am Sunday morning.

So thanks to the Torah and the time code of Death there is seen yet again the Death on the Cross and the Resurrection into the tomb, and this was three hours before Jesus walked into the Throne Room.

It seems rather harsh to say this calculation is arbitrary considering the precise number of letters used for every Torah ever written and acceptable by a Rabbi.

So imagine trying to contrive another selection of conception, birth, death and resurrection dates in which the Torah's letter count is used in pattern form to show something Biblical meaningful.

Thanks and I really did do this arithmetic this evening. :yes
JDM

PS
I repeat:
The code number '1073' is out of the Earth's orbit around the Sun.

The precise orbit period issued for the year 2011 is 31,556,925.25 seconds or 365.242190419 days.

And 365.242190419 days x 365.242190419 days x 10 and divided by 1,243.260556 days = code number '1073'

Counting 1,243.260556 days, from 8 am November 11, AD26, when Jesus left the wilderness to commence his ministry, it is 3:00:08 pm Friday, April 7, AD30, Passover Eve, when Jesus died nailed to the Cross.

Thus Jesus was baptized at 8 am October 1, AD26 (his 31st birthday) and 41 days later he left the wilderness.

And so the Earth's orbit around the Sun for 2011, is about 10 seconds longer than AD30, and so a more accurate ministry time period is seen using the code number '1073' with the Earth's 2011 orbit.
 
Well, you clearly know what you are calculating, but sorry to say are not conveying that very well. I still see obscure numbers, dividing by PI and whatnot when in fact, I don't know what would possess you to do that.

I have certain dates and times I believe Christ was born, crucified and arose that don't agree with your timeline.

For example, I believe the bible strongly suggests Christ's life was 33.5 years (his service starting at age 30 as stated in Luke) and then going for 3.5 years (the mention of famine of Elijah for 3.5 years compared to people not hearing his word).

To use the Great Pyramid example, there's a right triangle formed by simply using the angle of the passageway, and the step intersection of the Queen's chamber --- no fancy manipulation, just a straightforward geometric triangle formed. The hypotenuse also comes out to 33.512 pyramid inches (an inch to a year) or 12240 days from his birth to his death (12240 is the product of 360 x 34 BTW). No fancy calculations, just a "timeline" verifying the 33.5.

Now, looking at this astronomically, we see that time frame is 414.5 lunar cycles, meaning that he was born at new moon. I agree with your time of the year that Christ was born, but it occurred at the feast of Trumpets. The Lord always does everything by those feasts. You proposed date Oct 1 6BC is during waning Gibbous moon --- not significant other than to say that was during Tabernacles week, but not on an actual feast day.

Then there's clues in Revelation 12:1 where the woman clothed with the sun with the moon under her feet also occurs at the feast of trumpets, as that is symbolic when the sun is in Virgo and the moon is new approaching Libra. Using these facts I mentioned, I came up with proposed birth and death years I believe is correct. I don't know if they are correct or not, but fit all this evidence nicely. However, nobody can be dogmatic about it because we just don't know.

However, one other thing I noticed regarding your time line. Whenever Easter comes, I am of those who debate and show scripture regarding Christ was in the tomb a full 72 hours and propose a Wednesday crucifixion. Nothing else that Christ stated and the way events occurred would make any sense otherwise.
 
more temptation, the gematria and kabbalah arent dificult enough to avoid going way out there when i look at the YHWH.
 
Thanks for your thoughts

"I have certain dates and times I believe Christ was born, crucified and arose that don't agree with your timeline."

Since I began my research one month less than 25 years ago, I was looking for the date of the Crucifixion. It was a Victorian book which gave me my 'starter' and as such I have never changed my mind from the date of Friday, April 7, AD30.

Imagine someone deciding to study Scriptures so he could make reasonable sense of the time periods. For me Jesus Christ was baptized on his 31st birthday, so he had completed thirty years of his life when this happened.

Anyway, on that day in January 1987, I decided to call my investigation, "The GEM Factor" (God's Evidence for Mankind) and I thought maybe six months should sort the Biblical measures and numbers out alongside the maybe dates.

Six months has become nearly 25 years. And in 25 years I have 'killed off' seven scientific calculators. So I an have an enormous about of material available. My family thinks what I do will never end, and my youngest son James as known his father not really doing anything else since he was 14 years old.

To continue for such a ridiculously long period would have been impossible without God, or rather the Holy Ghost, encouraging me, and on two occasions God really did "come onto my scene" so to speak.

And I am sure the Holy Ghost would not have been 'present' on these two occasions without him being 'happy' with my results.

Anyway, I am very interested in comparing other dates, but please don't offer up AD33 unless your maths can reach AD70 in 40 years by another route!

Thanks again
John

PS
The GEM Factor title was discarded years ago!
 
Yeah, I'm worse than offering 33AD. I offer 34AD.
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This number manipulation is quite clever but far from proving anythings - as far as I can see.

It reminds me of the mania about 20 years ago for picking out every 29th (or whatever) letter in the bible and finding that it 'reveals' all sorts of hidden messages. Some people got quite excited until it was found that it works with any book you choose.

I suspect that if you keep playing with those numbers long enough you can find any answer you like. You can easily prove that 9.9999R = 10 without any mysticism.
 
Mmmm...
"This number manipulation is quite clever but far from proving anythings - as far as I can see."

OK, on Monday, I purchased a book, "The Monastery of St. Catherine on Mount Sinai" and published by the monastery itself in 1985 and printed in Greece. The foreword was signed by Damianos, Archbishop of Sinai.

On page 33, a heading: Places of piigrimage outside the monastery

"A long flight of 3,700 steps leads to the Peak of Mount Sinai. A church was built on this site quite early, possibly in the 4th century, and rebuilt later Justinian on plans by architect Stephanos of Aila. The Justinian church now preserved to the height of the foundations, was fairly large, measuring 21 m. in length and 11.50 m. in width."

So, I wondered what were the measurements in the mind of Mr. Stephanos?
Mount Sinai was where Moses was given the patterns or blue-prints by God for the Tabernacle and furniture.
The Ark of the Covenant was 5.625 cubic cubits. And 0.5.625 square root twice x 1,000 and /Pi x 4 = 68.9161 feet (21 meters)
And the width 37.7202 feet (11.497 meters)

So the area of the church is about 2,599.530 square feet x 144 square inches x Pi = 1,176,000 square inches x 0.75 = 882,000

And 882,000 represents the Seven Burning Candlesticks which symbolize the Church (see the Book of Revelations)
And 882,000 is 7 times 126,000
And each burning candlestick is Fire 109 + candlestick (or lamp) at 17 = 126

Also 1,260 days is the Biblical 'time, times and half a time'
And Jesus from circumcision to his death on the Cross was 12,600 days

So the Church on Mount Sinai represented the Son of Man, the Church and Time.

How very suitable indeed
Now you can't do this by tweaking!
JDM
 
Nathan Alterton said:
Also, take it from an engineer: in real mathematics and engineering you can't just mash numbers together regardless of their units. Units count, ignore them and you might as well just be doodling stick figures, because you're not doing anything meaningful with numbers.
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The importance of this cannot be overstated.


JDM said:
Now you can't do this by tweaking!
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Yes, you can, and you did.

"So the area of the church is about 2,599.530 square feet x 144 square inches x Pi = 1,176,000 square inches x 0.75 = 882,000 "

Not only does that math actually equal 881,984.3, it is utterly incorrect.

21 m x 11.5 m=241.5 m2
241.5 m2=2599.484 ft2
2599.484 ft2 x 144 in2/ft2 = 374,325.75 in2

And that is where it stops. There is no PI in there. Do you understand what PI is? It is the ratio of a circle's circumference to it's diameter. In this application, to multiply square inches by PI makes no sense, not to mention then just arbitrarily multiplying that by 0.75.

Anyone who is half decent with math can manipulate things to come out with the numbers they desire, including rounding numbers so that they are more favorable.

I'm not intending to be rude but your math, your arithmetic, is not good and proves absolutely nothing.

And then with the matter of your earlier posts, you are presuming far too much with dates and such. Even scholars don't use exact dates and there is some disagreement as to dating the birth of Christ, never mind the dating of the rest of his time on Earth.
 
Mount SInai is a Measured Mountain - Mount of Olives is a mount of Suffering

Mount Sinai, the sacred mountain has two perks, that of Jebel Musa at 7,363 feet and Ras Sufsafeh at 6,937 feet, above sea level and about 2,000 feet less from the ground (7,363 feet + 6,937 feet = 14,300 feet or 12,600 + 1,700).

Jesus Christ was praying in the garden of Gethsemane, on the Mount of Olives when at about 10 pm Thursday, April 6, AD30, and Jesus, in anticipation of his death in 17 hours, sweated drops of blood.

Using 7,363 feet x 6,937.00360 feet /1,000,000 and cubed twice /Pi x 1,260 and square root and /6 is equivalent to 12,879.2917 days x 12,606.2917 days.

Counting from the conception of Mary at 2:30 am January 1, 6BC to the death of Jesus Christ at 3 pm Friday, April 7, AD30 = 12,880 days less 17 hours = 12,879.2917 days, a time period ending at 10 pm Thursday, when Jesus sweated 'drops of blood'.

Counting from the birth of Jesus at 2:30 am October 1, 6BC to the death of Jesus Christ at 3 pm Friday, April 7, AD30 = 12,607 days less 17 hours = 12,879.2917 days, a time period ending at 10 pm Thursday, when Jesus sweated 'drops of blood'.

So the mountain where the Lord God came down reveals the suffering Jesus Christ, the Lord God, sweating blood, on the Mount of Olives 1,470 years later.

Imagine, for it seems unbelievable, that measurements and time periods intertwine to show important events.
JDM
 
Mount Sinai and the Cross

Mount Sinai, the sacred mountain has two perks, that of Jebel Musa at 7,363 feet and Ras Sufsafeh at 6,937 feet, a difference of 426 feet.

I will now show the Precession of the Equinoxes of 25,793.4498 years (9,240,856.372 days) ending at the creation of Adam on May 28, 3871BC and 3,900 years before the establishment of the Church on May 28, AD30, Pentecost Sunday. And also the Precession of the Equinoxes + 3,900 years at 29,693.44982 years ending Sunday, May 28, AD30.

Take the measurement of 426 feet, signifying Mount Sinai, where the Lord God came down. And 426 x 70 and /Pi and /18 and square root 6 times x 1.000e+11
it is equivalent to the Precession of the Equinoxes of 25,793.44983 years x 12 months x 29,693.44982 years x 12 months.

Thus Mount Sinai's height difference of 426 feet reveals both Adam and the Church
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The Cross

The time period from the conception of Mary to the death of Jesus on the Cross is 12,880 days, and the time period from the birth of Jesus to his death on the Cross is 12,607 days.
And 1.2880 x 1.2607 x 60 squared and /18 and square root 6 times x 1.0000e+11 is equivalent to the Precession of the Equinoxes at 25,793.44983 years x 12 months x 29,693.44982 years x 12 months, the Precession of the Equinoxes + 3,900 years.

So I can make the 426 feet reveal the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross.

Thus, when the Lord God came down onto Mount Sinai he knew in 50 days less than 1,470 years he would be dead on the Cross. A truly measured mountain.

Imagine one measurement of 426 feet reveals Adam, the Church, and the Crucifixion.

JDM



Counting backwards from May 28, AD30 when the Church was established to the start of the Precession of the Equinoxes is December 15, 25,765 BC is 25,792.4489 sidereal years or 9,240,856 days
 
With respect:
Since when did they use the metric system in the 4th century?
I tend to try to think 'spirit' not 'dead letter' when using the Imperial measurements.

And so I stand 100% behind what I offer up.

As to Pi, I surely can use Pi any way I like, for example 44 x Pi 4 times is 4,286 and this will do nicely, but not for now.
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"So the area of the church is about 2,599.530 square feet x 144 square inches x Pi = 1,176,000 square inches x 0.75 = 882,000 "

Not only does that math actually equal 881,984.3, it is utterly incorrect.

21 m x 11.5 m=241.5 m2
241.5 m2=2599.484 ft2
2599.484 ft2 x 144 in2/ft2 = 374,325.75 in
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As I have done nearly 25 years of incessant measuring of ancient architecture and time periods I am pretty well versed in my subject.

But of course we obviously will not agree, but thank God, that God is still on his Throne
JDM
 
JDM said:
With respect:
Since when did they use the metric system in the 4th century?
I tend to try to think 'spirit' not 'dead letter' when using the Imperial measurements.

And so I stand 100% behind what I offer up.


As to Pi, I surely can use Pi any way I like, for example 44 x Pi 4 times is 4,286 and this will do nicely, but not for now.
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On what basis can you use Pi any way you like? As I stated previously, Pi is the relationship of a circle's circumference to it's diameter. It has nothing to do with the area of a rectangle.
 
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