Watch what you hear...

[Michae1]

I provided proof...can you?

The only thing that proves is that anyone with access to the Internet can post anything they want.

I could post a video claiming that Blackberry's cause thumb cancer, and people would believe it because someone took the time to post it, so it must be true.

Anyway, you asked for opinions. I did not really want to debate it. I will leave that to the people who have an interest in this stuff.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. :gah

 

[Strangelove]

This is new on Apple's website:::

Why the totally un-natural finger positions?

 

[jasoncran]

oh,please, music is the reflection of the person playing it, if the person is a sinner then sin will promoted, if the person is a christian then they can sing song glorifying the lord, and there is the reverse to that, as some christians have glorifed sin as well other the heathen the Lord.

micheal is right.

we give to much power to satan, all he has to do set us in the right direction and we will do the rest, sometime he dont have to anything.

please , consdiered this that on approx,(oct 09) i gave up all tv shows that are new then 2009, and also i dont listen to secular music in generall. all my music i listen to is christian, and radio stations.

but even i see past this conspiracy. yes some music is hedonistic, duh, its heathen that are singin it!

just because weeds promotes pot, doenst mean that if i were to watch that in a a court of law i could use that as a defense.

and yes the secular musician promotes sin, who didnt when they were a sinner.

 

[Strangelove]

oh,please, music is the reflection of the person playing it, if the person is a sinner then sin will promoted, if the person is a christian then they can sing song glorifying the lord, and there is the reverse to that, as some christians have glorifed sin as well other the heathen the Lord.

micheal is right.

we give to much power to satan, all he has to do set us in the right direction and we will do the rest, sometime he dont have to anything. ((Huh?))

please , consdiered this that on approx,(oct 09) i gave up all tv shows that are new then 2009, and also i dont listen to secular music in generall. all my music i listen to is christian, and radio stations.

but even i see past this conspiracy. yes some music is hedonistic, duh, its heathen that are singin it!

just because weeds promotes pot, doenst mean that if i were to watch that in a a court of law i could use that as a defense.

and yes the secular musician promotes sin, who didnt when they were a sinner.

Jason, will you at least recognise that the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by a few individuals?

Can we agree on that?

Facts. Just facts.

Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner

Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company

Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd

Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios

Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc

Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric

Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

Those seven men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records.

 

[zone]

Jason, will you at least recognise that the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by a few individuals?

Can we agree on that?

Facts. Just facts.

Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner

Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company

Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd

Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios

Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc

Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric

Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

Those seven men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records.

hey doc.

interesting.

there's no question propaganda is the most useful tool TPTB (The Powers That Be) have and we are bombarded by it.
even a quick look into Edward Bernays and his kind tell the story...the bad guys are always connected to the freuds and the darwins, ever notice that?

Edward Bernays - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
zone.

before i got saved i was in advertising: it is a serious "craft"

 

[Strangelove]

Subliminal Sex Messages and Pornography in Advertising and Cartoons

[video=youtube;vXqx7Niq-cU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXqx7Niq-cU&feature=player_embedded[/video]

Are so many people obsessed with sex these days because were being brainwashed with the subject subliminally?

Personally, my sex drive went down dramatically and I threw away all my porn not long after I stopped watching TV.

 

[Strangelove]

Illuminati Symbolism In Movies (NEW VERSION - MUST SEE ALL OF VIDEO!)

[video=youtube;PBKDZhu-EZw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBKDZhu-EZw&feature=related[/video]

 

[Strangelove]

I wont post these 2 vids cos theres some cursing in there but absolutely facinating insight into Illuminati control over music industry and especially interesting is MJ's speech in a record store about half way through part 2.

Just Youtube this:

ILLUMINATI, MUSIC INDUSTRY AND WHY MICHAEL JACKSON WAS KILLED

Theres 2 parts.

 

[handy]

I miss John. I hope all is well with him.

As for the thread, I'm finding myself puzzled by the inclusion of the Fleet Foxes song...what am I missing?

Satanic conspiracies for taking over the world?

Satan doesn't need to use conspiracies to move people away from God...people are naturally inclined to be against God from the get-go. Have been ever since Adam and Eve.

Satan could care less exactly how a person winds up in hell, whether they wind up in hell because they embraced a false religion or no religion at all, whether they fell in with some kind of secret society, or just became a pot head listening to too much Fleet Foxes (if there is such a thing as too much FF). Perhaps Satan and the demons have some kind of demonic fun with conspiracies such as you propose...but they won't add to the number of people in hell.

The main key is...is Satan able to lure a person away from Christ? That is the real issue. All are hell-bound, it's Christ who catches us away. Once we are in His hands, will Satan, under the guise of music or TV or whatever, be able to snatch us away? Not according to Jesus, and I blieve what He has to say about it.

 

[Strangelove]

As for the thread, I'm finding myself puzzled by the inclusion of the Fleet Foxes song...what am I missing? (He was comparing good independant music to commercial rubbish)

Satanic conspiracies for taking over the world? (Yes he's the father of lies, why wouldn't he?)

Satan doesn't need to use conspiracies to move people away from God...people are naturally inclined to be against God from the get-go. Have been ever since Adam and Eve. (didnt Satan have something to do with that?)

Satan could care less exactly how a person winds up in hell, whether they wind up in hell because they embraced a false religion or no religion at all, whether they fell in with some kind of secret society, or just became a pot head listening to too much Fleet Foxes (if there is such a thing as too much FF). Perhaps Satan and the demons have some kind of demonic fun (Huh? It's just for fun??) with conspiracies such as you propose...but they won't add to the number of people in hell. (why not?)

The main key is...is Satan able to lure a person away from Christ? That is the real issue. (Of course he can) All are hell-bound, it's Christ who catches us away. Once we are in His hands, will Satan, under the guise of music or TV or whatever, be able to snatch us away? Not according to Jesus, and I blieve what He has to say about it.

Are you saying once your saved, your saved forever no matter what?

Can you post your scripture for this please. Thanks.


Doc.

 

[handy]

Scripture? Sure, here ya go!

John 10:25-29 Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father's name, these testify of Me.

"But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

Romans 8:35-39 Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Just as it is written,
"FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE BEING PUT TO DEATH ALL DAY LONG;
WE WERE CONSIDERED AS SHEEP TO BE SLAUGHTERED." But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor <SUP class=xref value='(CL)'>(CL)</SUP>angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Eph 1:13,14 "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession-- to the praise of his glory."

These are but a few texts, you can google things like "eternal security" or OSAS and find even more. However, I'm not an advocate of either "eternal security" nor "once saved always saved". I do believe that the Scriptures do warn us that we can become so caught up in our former lusts and our flesh that we can quench the Spirit and lose salvation. However, I also believe that God places protections and hedges around us and preserves us so that although we can lose our salvation, it's rare to almost never that it actually happens.

My main point though is that, while we might desire to return to darkness, Satan cannot steal us away. If we go, we cannot claim on that Day, "The devil made me do it" because it will be our own lusts and desires. And, because it is what is within us that would cause that rare believer to actually fall, the whole idea of complicated conspiracies to take over the music and entertainment industry in order to try to cause folks to not follow Christ is just illogical.

The reason why the entertainment industry is noted for sinful behavior is because man is naturally sinful and is drawn to sinful stuff. Satan likes it, but he hardly has to lift a finger to promote it, man does a pretty good job of wallowing in sin without help from the demons.

I'm not saying that Satan and the demons are not real, nor that they are to be dismissed as ineffectual. Of course they are going to tempt us and try to cause us to fall, that's their nature, just as sin is our nature. But, Satan probably is much more concerned with going after folks who are trying to accomplish God's good works and purposes in this world, rather than sneaking around and building up secret societies and conspiracies which 99% of people blow off as stupid.

 

[Strangelove]

These are but a few texts, you can google things like "eternal security" or OSAS and find even more. However, I'm not an advocate of either "eternal security" nor "once saved always saved". I do believe that the Scriptures do warn us that we can become so caught up in our former lusts and our flesh that we can quench the Spirit and lose salvation. However, I also believe that God places protections and hedges around us and preserves us so that although we can lose our salvation, it's rare to almost never that it actually happens.

Right. I can see that your a little contradictory there Handy. Doesnt look like you can really make your mind up. Do you have the stats for how many times people lose their salvation then?

All that scripture you posted was to support what?

My main point though is that, while we might desire to return to darkness, Satan cannot steal us away. If we go, we cannot claim on that Day, "The devil made me do it" because it will be our own lusts and desires. And, because it is what is within us that would cause that rare believer to actually fall, the whole idea of complicated conspiracies to take over the music and entertainment industry in order to try to cause folks to not follow Christ is just illogical.

Illogical? Why wouldn't Satan use the music industry to take people away from Christ?

Can I just ask you Handy. Did Judas Iscariot not conspire with the Pharisees to give up our Lord? Was Satan involved there?

The reason why the entertainment industry is noted for sinful behavior is because man is naturally sinful and is drawn to sinful stuff. Satan likes it, but he hardly has to lift a finger to promote it, man does a pretty good job of wallowing in sin without help from the demons.

Contadiction to follow in next quote>>>

I'm not saying that Satan and the demons are not real, nor that they are to be dismissed as ineffectual. Of course they are going to tempt us and try to cause us to fall, that's their nature, just as sin is our nature. But, Satan probably is much more concerned with going after folks who are trying to accomplish God's good works and purposes in this world, rather than sneaking around and building up secret societies and conspiracies which 99% of people blow off as stupid.

99% eh? Sounds about right.

13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the
beast.
​

12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the
Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out
into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.​

​

 

[handy]

Right. I can see that your a little contradictory there Handy. Doesnt look like you can really make your mind up. Do you have the stats for how many times people lose their salvation then?

Have I really made my mind up on the Eternal Security vs. One Can Lose Salvation debate that has raged in the church since the church was formed? Not really. The fact is the Bible makes statements that show us that we can indeed lose faith, but, there are very strong statements made by Christ that it ain't happening on His watch. If I'm not making dogmatic statements one way or the other, it's because there is enough misunderstanding regarding how texts such as those in Hebrews and those in John can be reconciled to make dogma in the matter a bit presumptious. As far as stats for how many times people lose their salvation as opposed to someone who just rejected a faith they had been taught about but never internalized, Nope, don't have any. Anyone who claims to, is probably delusional, as only God would know that for sure. Only God can judge a persons heart.

However, aside from Adam and Eve, I don't know of an example of Satan being able to draw a believer away from Christ. If you have such an example, by all means, share. Judas was never a true believer, Jesus tagged him as being a devil in John 6:70 long before the crucifixion.

As far as Satan conspiring with the Pharisees to crucify Christ, since the Pharisees weren't believers themselves, it doesn't really alter my point that Satan cannot snatch us from the Father. Whether or not a certain Pharisee met with Satan and cooked up a plot, didn't impact said Pharisee's ultmate standing before God. Said Pharisee was hell-bound whether he did or didn't as he rejected Jesus as Lord.

Keep in mind that Jesus said that everthing that happened to Him needed to happen. He didn't hold out much hope for those directly involved in His arrest and death, but it wasn't a surprise to Him. Christ's death and resurrection is a good example of how something that was intended to be the ultimate evil wound up being turned by God into the ultimate good. If it was also the ultimate conspiracy, it just goes to prove how ineffectual conspiracies are at accomplishing the devil's purposes. God's purposes will always prevail.

Does the music industry seek to turn people from Christ? How about the food industry, gluttony is as much a sin as sex and violence. Or the gun manufacturers, people kill people and they use guns to do it sometimes, although we also have to add knife manufacturers to that as well I guess.

I'm a little uncertain about what you viewed as the contradiction in your last snippet there, so if you want to clarify then I'll address it.

Just keep in mind that I do believe that Satan and the devils are quite the deceivers, no doubts about that. I just think that these big conspiracy theories are pointless, especially if they involve worldly music and movies.

Now, where I could see a big conspiracy of Satan's to try to draw, if possible, the elect away from God would be shows like 90% of what's on TBN and GodTube (or whatever it's calling itself these days). Satan conspiring to get Christians to become confused and less equipped by really bad theology makes much more sense than conspiring to lead godless people even further into godlessness.

 

[jasoncran]

Jason, will you at least recognise that the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by a few individuals?

Can we agree on that?

Facts. Just facts.

Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner

Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company

Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd

Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios

Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc

Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric

Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

Those seven men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records.

and that was the case 20 yrs ago with the att, that was the only phone company that was around. so that co is also the beast to you then.

its called free-market enterprise.

men love sin and will promote that is biblical foretold. that is in revalation.

the methods to which the system will rise maynt be the way you say it.

no where is it named the definite means of who is the system.

does tv make you sin? does music make you sin and overpower you to kill, have sex ,do drugs.

if it does see a shrink.

fyi, even in hypnosis one cant make a person do something they dont want to do.

 

[jasoncran]

Now, where I could see a big conspiracy of Satan's to try to draw, if possible, the elect away from God would be shows like 90% of what's on TBN and GodTube (or whatever it's calling itself these days). Satan conspiring to get Christians to become confused and less equipped by really bad theology makes much more sense than conspiring to lead godless people even further into godlessness

makes sense to me, and i can see that already happenin.

 

[jasoncran]

off topic, how can we even talk to sinner if we dont go where he is.

should we add this to the conspiracy of satan list

the beach(dem good looking bodies that want to tan are of the devil)
the car,(yup, da speedin is off the devil)
all sports(most are male driven and well woman wear a half of nothin)


lets see ohh the INTERNET, mostly Porn. and that is also used by the devil.

where do we stop. i dont study the devil all that much anymore , sure i read up on what the word says he does, but i know more about the devil then GOD, then satan has won.

 

[Lewis]

Found this, it looked interesting::

MUSIC AND MIND CONTROL

The use of music as an aid to programming has been consistently commented on by certain researchers. Music provides access to the deeper, subconscious, emotional, nonlinear, nonlogical portions of the psyche. As shown so clearly by "psychedelic" pioneers Tim Leary and Richard Alpert in their government-sponsored LSD research (some which occurred not only at and through Harvard University but ALSO at Montauk AFS)--"set and setting" are crucial in determining the impact and outcome of an LSD trip... and a mind programming operation. Music, as an especially emotional art form, could be utilized very effectively (albeit diabolically!) to assist in amplifying, intensifying and boosting the impact of certain programming operations and experiences.


In addition, certain triggers can be activated by the music previously used during programming.

Full story here - how music and mind control work



::::::::::::::: Doc.

Or the Government giving it to you without you knowing it. Se for yourself here.
Jet - Google Books

 

[Oats]

We presented the truth...now all we have to do is let everyone accept it or not

Thanks Stragelove...you're a cannon

 

[cyberjosh]

In answer to what I think the essential question and point of this thread is: why does any type of music have an audience?

And why did the artist themself get into playing music?

And is there a difference between the player and the listener of the music?

Do we blame ourselves or others if we choose to listen to bad music?

Why blame music industries? If they are evil, then how is that different from any other form of evil that has always grouped together: gangs, robbers, prostitutes, etc.?

And what about the Christian side of film, music, entertainment, etc.?

 

[Strangelove]

Have I really made my mind up on the Eternal Security vs. One Can Lose Salvation debate that has raged in the church since the church was formed? Not really. The fact is the Bible makes statements that show us that we can indeed lose faith, but, there are very strong statements made by Christ that it ain't happening on His watch.(Yeah as long as we are still His SHEEP. i.e. if we continue to have faith in Him and follow His commandments of love) If I'm not making dogmatic statements one way or the other, it's because there is enough misunderstanding regarding how texts such as those in Hebrews and those in John can be reconciled to make dogma in the matter a bit presumptious.(To think we cant lose our salvation is non-sensical in my opinion but never mind) As far as stats for how many times people lose their salvation as opposed to someone who just rejected a faith they had been taught about but never internalized, Nope, don't have any. (So how do you know its rare??).Anyone who claims to, is probably delusional, as only God would know that for sure. Only God can judge a persons heart. (Yes but you can tell by their FRUITS!)

However, aside from Adam and Eve, I don't know of an example of Satan being able to draw a believer away from Christ. If you have such an example, by all means, share.

Like you say we cant know 4 sure because we dont know the heart but have you never seen anyone go from good fruit to bad fruit? Thats a sure indicator.

As far as Satan conspiring with the Pharisees to crucify Christ, since the Pharisees weren't believers themselves, it doesn't really alter my point that Satan cannot snatch us from the Father.

I just cannot relate to that in the slightest. Is Satan in charge of false teachers and the great apostacy? Is it the spirit of antichrist coming from Satan that leads people from faith to apostacy or not? [[contradiction to come in your last quote]]

If it was also the ultimate conspiracy, it just goes to prove how ineffectual conspiracies are at accomplishing the devil's purposes. God's purposes will always prevail.

Does it hurt to turn your children and brethren away from media that promotes ungodly behaviour and that has hidden Satanic messages and images? Thats what were talking about here. Should we actively repent against these things?

Does the music industry seek to turn people from Christ? How about the food industry, gluttony is as much a sin as sex and violence. Or the gun manufacturers, people kill people and they use guns to do it sometimes, although we also have to add knife manufacturers to that as well I guess.

Satan will of course use any means at his disposal. The knife example is a bit silly though. Unless your talking about a combat army knife manufacturer.

I'm a little uncertain about what you viewed as the contradiction in your last snippet there, so if you want to clarify then I'll address it.

You keep see-sawing on whether or not Satan is effectual regarding turning people away from God.

Just keep in mind that I do believe that Satan and the devils are quite the deceivers, no doubts about that. I just think that these big conspiracy theories are pointless, especially if they involve worldly music and movies.

Pointless to who? To Satan? Impossible. Promotion of ungodly behaviour and Satanic symbolism = Furtherence of Satans plan to draw as many people away from God AND stop potential believers from coming to God. Isn't that obvious? Is it the buzzword [conspiracy] that is stopping you from agreeing with me?

Now, where I could see a big conspiracy of Satan's to try to draw, if possible, the elect away from God would be shows like 90% of what's on TBN and GodTube (or whatever it's calling itself these days). Satan conspiring to get Christians to become confused and less equipped by really bad theology makes much more sense than conspiring to lead godless people even further into godlessness.

Totally agree. So if you see that satanic conspiracy happening why cant you see satan using the media moguls, all talmudic jews by the way, to further his plan? Why would satan only users his powers in the church?