Watch what you hear...

[Strangelove]

In answer to what I think the essential question and point of this thread is: why does any type of music have an audience?

Independant music has an audience becasue its good.

Mainstream "mega pop" music has an audience because its constantly shoved down our throats. People are brainwashed with it. Especially youngsters.

And why did the artist themself get into playing music?

Um....becasue they had an interest in producing music?

And is there a difference between the player and the listener of the music?

One produces the music and the other listens............?........?.........?

Do we blame ourselves or others if we choose to listen to bad music?

Yes. Who else is to blame?

Why blame music industries? If they are evil, then how is that different from any other form of evil that has always grouped together: gangs, robbers, prostitutes, etc.?

Why blame them? Becasue they are deliberatley promoting ungodly behaviour and placing satanic subliminal symbolism in their products. It's different because street crime doesnt have the capabilities for brainwashing that the music industry has.

And what about the Christian side of film, music, entertainment, etc.?

If you choose to liten to that stuff then fine. Personally I dont see how it helps with your walk as these things are of this world. When music and entertainment replaces meaty Gospel based sermons in church though....I think thats a very bad thing for the flock.

 

[Ed the Ned]

When music and entertainment replaces meaty Gospel based sermons in church though....I think thats a very bad thing for the flock. - Strangelove
This is very important. This happens when a church becomes church focused and not Christ focused. They are wanting to increase church numbers and are willing to compromise on the Gospel. Whats the use of spreading the gospel when its false. To make a small comparason, its like buying a costume ring (false gospel) that looks like the real one (gospel). Everyone looks and admires what a great ring. But it has no value, no worth etc.
Churches that have created an entertainment industry to draw people into the church are not following the great commission. They are creating a "Christian lite" enviroment that serves the needs of man and not God.

 

[Strangelove]

Youtube this:

THE MUSIC INDUSTRY EXPOSED
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Fascinating ten part series.


Doc.

 

[jasoncran]

so the excuse blame the devil for our sins will be allowed in heaven?

i know that satan wants us to sin, but we dont need to dig up a conspiracy to see that or that men will love a lie and those that tell it.

 

[Strangelove]

so the excuse blame the devil for our sins will be allowed in heaven?

i know that satan wants us to sin, but we dont need to dig up a conspiracy to see that or that men will love a lie and those that tell it.

No need? Why on Earth would you say that?

Is there something wrong with exposing the methods of Satan?

Protecting ourselves and our children?

Waking up our brethren?

Have you got something against WATCHING?

 

[Strangelove]

Anyone noticed how DMX is a changed man recently?

He's been talking about worshipping God and also about his open disdain for the music industry in the last year or so.

Then he gets banged up on this drugs and animal cruelty charge suddenly.

Are the press trying to destroy his image?

Is he being readied for a Tupac / MJ style offing?

Watch the youtube series I recommended in my last post for more info.

 

[zone]

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99% eh? Sounds about right.

13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the
beast.​

12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the
Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out
into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.​

LOL!

 

[zone]

If you choose to liten to that stuff then fine. Personally I dont see how it helps with your walk as these things are of this world. When music and entertainment replaces meaty Gospel based sermons in church though....I think thats a very bad thing for the flock.

i couldn't agree more.
i read that many youngsters who were drawn to the mega-churches due to their seeker-sensitive worldly music and stage shows are leaving because they find it's the same thing they can have anywhere, but a lesser quality.

it's NEVER been about making the church RELEVENT...it's about worshipping God in the way He wants, and reading the Word, presenting the Gospel.

 

[cyberjosh]

Independant music has an audience becasue its good.

I agree.

Mainstream "mega pop" music has an audience because its constantly shoved down our throats. People are brainwashed with it. Especially youngsters.

Yes popular culture is a problem, but this is the way of the world in general, always having peer pressure to conform to Satan's kingdom. This can literally though be extended to any issue.

Um....becasue they had an interest in producing music?


One produces the music and the other listens............?........?.........?


Yes. Who else is to blame?

Just checking if the obvious is indeed evident. Some people have difficulty seeing the obvious.

Why blame them? Becasue they are deliberatley promoting ungodly behaviour and placing satanic subliminal symbolism in their products. It's different because street crime doesnt have the capabilities for brainwashing that the music industry has.

Drugs and sexual promiscuity have lasting effects on the soul just as any music would. I understand the power of music, and its potential for evil, but I'm just saying sin is sin is sin, and evil is evil is evil.... whether talking about music or not. And depite there being such pressure and promoting ungodly music, as I wanted to make clear, it is still the person's fault who listens to it. Both the artist and listener are at fault, but that is obvious.

If you choose to liten to that stuff then fine. Personally I dont see how it helps with your walk as these things are of this world. When music and entertainment replaces meaty Gospel based sermons in church though....I think thats a very bad thing for the flock.

Right, well as long as you don't think all music is evil. I think the Psalmist would have at least a small point of differing if that were the claim.

P.S. Trust me, I know this issue very well for I was delivered divinely from listening to nasty, worldly music when I was a teenager, because God supernaturally over time turned the music sour in my stomach and soul (despite my flesh's disposition to do otherwise) and I stopped listening to it of my own accord and even told my parents (which I didn't have to) that before that time I had listened to such things without their knowing. I basically was inwardly changed, and Christian alternative music helped me get out, and I openly confessed my previous wayward ways. When I did that the chains fell away. Repentance and confession works wonders on the soul.

God Bless,

~Josh

 

[jasoncran]

i watch more then you think, see all believe none.or listen and accept cautiously.

didnt you hear me that I dont even listen to secular music at all, i havent since(for the most part) since 1998. when the lord told me to surrender that.

i am fully aware of what the secular world promotes on tv, and the music stations. none of my truck's radio are preset on secular music.

i gave up tv last yr, and havent watch more then two hours of it since then. i dont watch news or listen any science program.


i see it way different then you do. You come across to me as this, satan has the power to make us sin. really its still our temptation and our will that doest it. He can only tempt.

by your thinking since i hear secular music at work, i should love being a bi agian , as i hear katy perry from time to time. but i dont. why cause i can IGNORE her, and i do.

its the same with any sin. we have to choose to sin. satan presents it, we have to rebuke that devil.

what did the say in this case? if an eye offend then pluck it out! if then hand offend thee cut it off!

some can listen to this stuff, and not be affected(how i dont know) but i cant.

its best that we keep our hearts pure by holy hymns etc, but that doesnt mean we are to be so holy that we can reach the lost.

nobody here is the way i am about tv shows.trust me no one to my knowledge.

i do bjj/mma and wont watch fights, not that i hate too, just i prefer to actually step in the ring not arm chair fightin and a commentin.

like cyberjosh, i was called away from secular music, but some here arent there yet.

that has to shown to them by the holy ghost.

lewis w loves horror and gore.

i find that appaling as i have seen man die and been to war, there nothing entertaining about that stuff, yet i wont judge lewis for that.

 

[Oats]

i watch more then you think, see all believe none.or listen and accept cautiously.

didnt you hear me that I dont even listen to secular music at all, i havent since(for the most part) since 1998. when the lord told me to surrender that.

i am fully aware of what the secular world promotes on tv, and the music stations. none of my truck's radio are preset on secular music.

i gave up tv last yr, and havent watch more then two hours of it since then. i dont watch news or listen any science program.


i see it way different then you do. You come across to me as this, satan has the power to make us sin. really its still our temptation and our will that doest it. He can only tempt.

by your thinking since i hear secular music at work, i should love being a bi agian , as i hear katy perry from time to time. but i dont. why cause i can IGNORE her, and i do.

its the same with any sin. we have to choose to sin. satan presents it, we have to rebuke that devil.

what did the say in this case? if an eye offend then pluck it out! if then hand offend thee cut it off!

some can listen to this stuff, and not be affected(how i dont know) but i cant.

its best that we keep our hearts pure by holy hymns etc, but that doesnt mean we are to be so holy that we can reach the lost.

nobody here is the way i am about tv shows.trust me no one to my knowledge.

i do bjj/mma and wont watch fights, not that i hate too, just i prefer to actually step in the ring not arm chair fightin and a commentin.

like cyberjosh, i was called away from secular music, but some here arent there yet.

that has to shown to them by the holy ghost.

lewis w loves horror and gore.

i find that appealing as i have seen man die and been to war, there nothing entertaining about that stuff, yet i wont judge lewis for that.

Good post

 

[Mike]

Since this thread seems to be all over the place on evil in this world, I'd like to pose a question here I've posed in other areas. (not recently)

There's a lot about Satan here. Who believes Satan is impacting them personally? Not impacting them through global entertainment, but personally.

This is what I'm getting at. Satan is not omnipresent and does not have the ability as does God to be in all places at all times. I believe he has the big picture in mind, but there are legions who are sent out as is an infantry. There is spiritual warfare everywhere, unseen to us, but there nonetheless.

My concern is that people elevate Satan to that of God in his power to be everywhere at all times. He needs to be put in his place. God has allowed him influence, but he is only able to go as far as God allows him to go and no further.

My belief on the matter, anyway.

 

[Strangelove]

Since this thread seems to be all over the place on evil in this world, I'd like to pose a question here I've posed in other areas. (not recently)

There's a lot about Satan here. Who believes Satan is impacting them personally? Not impacting them through global entertainment, but personally.

This is what I'm getting at. Satan is not omnipresent and does not have the ability as does God to be in all places at all times. I believe he has the big picture in mind, but there are legions who are sent out as is an infantry. There is spiritual warfare everywhere, unseen to us, but there nonetheless.

My concern is that people elevate Satan to that of God in his power to be everywhere at all times. He needs to be put in his place. God has allowed him influence, but he is only able to go as far as God allows him to go and no further.

My belief on the matter, anyway.

All I know about Satan is that he exists.

His spirit can enter into man and takeover.

A man can be led by the spirit of satan to further satans plans to take as many men away from God and to the gates of hell as he can.

Is he impacting me personally? Not as long as I have my full armor of God on.

I would never elevate Satan to the level of God.

God controls all things. He allows Satan to try to decieve man as a test of our faith. I we are not walking in truth and have no love of the truth then we will be decieved.


Doc.

 

[Mike]

I wasn't directing that at you in particular, doc. It's just a little unsettling for me when Christians have this image that Satan is on them in particular. To have this image of one spirit-person who seems to be everywhere leans to the powers and description of God. He is the only one who can be in all places at all times. We're giving false nature to anyone else to we believe shares this capability. He sends his forces out, as I said, like a legion in war.

"<sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-23576">36</sup>Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, "Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field." <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-23577">37</sup>He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-23578">38</sup>The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-23579">39</sup>and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels"

Jesus met Satan in the desert. Other than that, He cast out his demons.

 

[Elijah674]

I wasn't directing that at you in particular, doc. It's just a little unsettling for me when Christians have this image that Satan is on them in particular. To have this image of one spirit-person who seems to be everywhere leans to the powers and description of God. He is the only one who can be in all places at all times. We're giving false nature to anyone else to we believe shares this capability. He sends his forces out, as I said, like a legion in war.

"<SUP class=versenum id=en-NIV-23576>36</SUP>Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, "Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field." <SUP class=versenum id=en-NIV-23577>37</SUP>He answered, "The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. <SUP class=versenum id=en-NIV-23578>38</SUP>The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, <SUP class=versenum id=en-NIV-23579>39</SUP>and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels"

Jesus met Satan in the desert. Other than that, He cast out his demons.

____________

Good material. Yet, when satan captured his first then 'desired' convert in Cain, (Gen. 4:7's sin against the Holy Ghost) God did give or allow satan aprox. a 120 year headstart before Seth.. the Son of God, came on the scene. Perhaps a heaven repeat as with Lucifer! (Eccl. 3:15's first created ='s first born) And No, you are right, satan was not omnipresent, but neither did Christ allow Himself to be as the second Adam, after Adam sinned & lost his earthly domain to satan.

But few realize as you do(?) that it was not until Christ left & went back to heaven that the Holy Spirit presented Christ omnipresent. And although there was much left of history to be done, satan at this time SEALED his fate & was FINISHED! (as in his FINAL talley! Obad. 1:16)

--Elijah

 

[Strangelove]

When music and entertainment replaces meaty Gospel based sermons in church though....I think thats a very bad thing for the flock. - Strangelove
This is very important. This happens when a church becomes church focused and not Christ focused. They are wanting to increase church numbers and are willing to compromise on the Gospel. Whats the use of spreading the gospel when its false. To make a small comparason, its like buying a costume ring (false gospel) that looks like the real one (gospel). Everyone looks and admires what a great ring. But it has no value, no worth etc.
Churches that have created an entertainment industry to draw people into the church are not following the great commission. They are creating a "Christian lite" enviroment that serves the needs of man and not God.

Lolz...Heres "Christian Lite":

 

[jasoncran]

All I know about Satan is that he exists.

His spirit can enter into man and takeover.

A man can be led by the spirit of satan to further satans plans to take as many men away from God and to the gates of hell as he can.

Is he impacting me personally? Not as long as I have my full armor of God on.

I would never elevate Satan to the level of God.

God controls all things. He allows Satan to try to decieve man as a test of our faith. I we are not walking in truth and have no love of the truth then we will be decieved.


Doc.

show me a believer that has Jesus didnt say that had a devil in the nt?

satan cant enter the believer and make him do anything.

Oats it was appalled by the gore not appealing. i hate death and violence.

 

[Strangelove]

show me a believer that has Jesus didnt say that had a devil in the nt?

satan cant enter the believer and make him do anything.

?

What are you asking me bud?

 

[Oats]

Well all I'm saying is we should walk circumspectly....If we don't conform to this world but be transformed by the renewwing of our minds....We will see clearly...

It's the heart that God judges....if you listen to the music fine. I just hope that you know better.

Some Churches don't heal or cast out demons.2

 

[jasoncran]

sl i am asking that in the book of acts or anyone in the nt after the 4 gospels that openly state a born again man or women is possesed by the devil.

theres isnt.

we be may hindered by the devil or bound up, and oppressed but not possesed.

i have been bound up, but that is for the testimony section.

we can be decieved, that would be the best reason not to watch shows that blatently push anti-christian doctrines if you are weak in the faith.

see and romans 14 on this.

my wife loves supernatural. i hate that show the angels arent much more pure then devil. what makes the devil bad isnt defined nor what makes the angelic hosted humans isnt defined either.

in fact in one scene the angel is having bsdm(no scene shown that shows full nudity) but he is handcuffed to the bed and asked to be let go when done.

so much for biblical based angels and so on.

no then if a christian did this and made it more biblical and had person witnessing to the lost and did a scene where the devil was scene with say wormwood and lying deceiveing men. then i could watch that.