We are saved by doing what is right in God's sight.

[Adullam]

It is never wrong to do what is right. Believing and trusting are all a part of doing what is right. If we begin to believe that we are justified through believing, then we are justifying ourselves and soon we are doing what is wrong in God's sight. If we keep this simple idea, we will be much stronger in the face of temptation. This is our duty...to do what is right in God's sight.

Above is the way of righteousness. Now there is also a higher way. That is the way of holiness. In this Way we are surrendered to Christ who works in us by resurrection power.

Both ways work together. Both ways are Christian. One is active and the other is supernatural. There is no passive way that is Christian.

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John

 

[shad]

We are saved by doing what is right in God's sight.

Of course we are. We will not do anything right for God if we are not saved.

 

[Adullam]

Why can't we please God by doing what is right before we are "saved"? How could sinners win the approval of Jesus otherwise? Remember the harlot who cried at Jesus' feet, the good samaritan, the woman with the perfume, Zacchaeus the tax collector, the centurion etc.....these people were NOT Christian, yet they each did something that pleased the Lord. This was UNTO salvation.

A coin always has 2 sides.

 

[Adullam]

Speaking of coins? Is it a good deed to put a coin in the parking meter of another person if you notice that his time is expired?

Is it wrong?

Is it right?

Are only Christians allowed to do it?

Does God not care what we do anyway?

 

[stovebolts]

ha! I used to run in front of the meter maid when I was a teen plugging nickles in the meter just before she got there.
I think I did it just to upset her though

I saved the poor fellow with the expired meter a $25 ticket. That was a good thing right?

 

[Jon-Marc]

Even unsaved people often do "what is right". Many unsaved people live "good" moral lives by human standards. However, Jesus said "Ye must be born again." He did NOT say, "Ye must do what is right in order to be born again."

Doing right and having it recognized by God comes AFTER we are saved and NOT to GET us saved. "For by grace through faith are ye saved, and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast." Eph. 2:8,9

God says it is not anything we do and not by doing good things. It is by the GRACE of God through faith that also comes from Him that we are saved. Our works SHOW our faith and that we're saved; it doesn't save us.

 

[Adullam]

Please re-read the OP once again. I am not replacing being born again. We are talking ground rules here. Things that Jesus taught. It is imperitive to know these things and hold onto them, or else we will be fooled through SPIRITUAL ERROR!

God bless

 

[Adullam]

ha! I used to run in front of the meter maid when I was a teen plugging nickles in the meter just before she got there.
I think I did it just to upset her though

I saved the poor fellow with the expired meter a $25 ticket. That was a good thing right?

Without judging your motives, I would say that you did your neighbour a good turn. That is half the law...to do to your neighbour as you would have him do to you! It is important to never forget that as we move into more spiritual depths.

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John

 

[Adullam]

Of course it follows that we will continue to do what is right because of our salvation. Spiritual men always do what is right, no? The reason for this thread is that this is not always the case. The devil has our number, and great care must be taken to walk in righteousness. We must continue to guard ourselves in always doing what is right.

It is like this..

Ground floor: righteousness; doing what is right

Upper floor (upper room): walking in the resurrection power of the Spirit.

This is how to keep your edifice (life) in good standing before the Lord

Let no man be fooled...we must continue in the pattern of doing what is right no matter how spiritual the contrary might seem. The enemy is an expert in spiritual attacks. He prides himself as being a master at it. So we must remain in the humility of a servant. It is about what Christ can do in us...at this level. Not what we can do. We are NOT special because we walk in new life...just priviledged.

 

[RND]

We are saved by doing what is right in God's sight.

No. We are only "saved" by the work of the Son. If man could be saved by merely "doing good" Jesus Christ would never had need to come and "take away the sin of the world."

Man is incapable of saving himself. Man is incapable of doing right for righteousness sake outside of the Will of God.

 

[Adullam]

We are saved by doing what is right in God's sight.

No. We are only "saved" by the work of the Son. If man could be saved by merely "doing good" Jesus Christ would never had need to come and "take away the sin of the world."

Man is incapable of saving himself. Man is incapable of doing right for righteousness sake outside of the Will of God.

Doing what is right is not trying to save oneself. :naughty Was the centurion that had faith evil ? Would you call the Samaritan who helped the stranger a self-seeker?

Many Christians think like this. Think this through without the dogma barking at your heels and you will see a new world of truth. :yes

My work is only beginning here! ;)

 

[shad]

Why can't we please God by doing what is right before we are "saved"?

Because we are sinful without Christ, no matter how much we try. God's standard is perfection.

How could sinners win the approval of Jesus otherwise?

We are accepted by God with Jesus paying our unrighteousness and sinfullness.

Remember the harlot who cried at Jesus' feet, the good samaritan, the woman with the perfume, Zacchaeus the tax collector, the centurion etc.....these people were NOT Christian, yet they each did something that pleased the Lord. This was UNTO salvation.

Good secular people are good enough for secular standard but not for God's standard.

 

[Adullam]

1 "But when the Son of Man comes in his glory,
and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory.
32 Before him all the nations will be gathered,
and he will separate them one from another,
as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33 He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
The Righteous

34 Then the King will tell those on his right hand, ‘Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;


# 35 for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat;
# I was thirsty, and you gave me drink;
# I was a stranger, and you took me in;
# 36 naked, and you clothed me;
# I was sick, and you visited me;
# I was in prison, and you came to me.’


37 "Then the righteous will answer him, saying,


# ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you;
# or thirsty, and give you a drink?
# 38 When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in;
# or naked, and clothe you?


39 When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?’
40 "The King will answer them, ‘Most assuredly I tell you,
inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

The Wicked

41 Then he will say also to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels;


# 42 for I was hungry, and you didn’t give me food to eat;
# I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink;
# 43 I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me in;
# naked, and you didn’t clothe me;
# sick, and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’


44 "Then they will also answer, saying,


# ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry,
# or thirsty,
# or a stranger,
# or naked,
# or sick, or in prison,


and didn’t help you?’

45 "Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Most assuredly I tell you,
inasmuch as you didn’t do it to one of the least of these, you didn’t do it to me.’

 

[Adullam]

The righteous do what is right...and the wicked don't. Too simple???? I think not!

Here's a stretch...ready......the righteous were saved for doing what was right in God's eyes. The wicked did not do what was right.....and.....they were NOT saved!

Does this boggle your minds????? ;)

 

[Adullam]

We have been talking here of earthly things pertaining to God's will. The MAT 25 sheep goats judgment is not about the saints....but the nations. The ones who don't recognize Jesus or know who He is.

The salvation described is the minimum standard of God. The righteous are scarecely saved.

But they please the Lord by doing what is right. So God DOES care about how we act. How we act is a reflection of what we truly are.

Are you a habitual sinner? Then you are still on an earthly level (carnal). Don't esteem yourself higher than you are. This is NOT pleasing to God. This is unrighteous. A saint overcomes sin through the incarnated Christ within Him.

But there is also spiritual sin...such as spiritual pride. This type of error is ALWAYS manifested on an earthly level. That is why there are so many carnal Christians!!! We become blinded by our own dogmas.

So if we learn to DISCERN and do what is right (be righteous) then we can proceed on to spiritual things without the danger of falling under the condemnation of the devil (who is expert in spiritual deception). At one time the devil was righteous too.....don't forget that!!!!!

 

[RND]

Doing what is right is not trying to save oneself. :naughty Was the centurion that had faith evil ? Would you call the Samaritan who helped the stranger a self-seeker?

A man cannot do "right" without God.

Many Christians think like this. Think this through without the dogma barking at your heels and you will see a new world of truth. :yes

Whew! Fortunately I'm not like "other Christians."

Psa 14:1 [[To the chief Musician, [A Psalm] of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

My work is only beginning here! ;)

Hopefully it will come with understanding and love and not a "self-righteous" sledgehammer. Tell me, do you think a "Christian" would use this symbol to describe another Christian?

 

[Adullam]

If you have run with footmen and they have tired you out, Then how can you compete with horses? If you fall down in a land of peace, How will you do in the thicket of the Jordan? Jer. 12:5




John

 

[Adullam]

Doing what is right is not trying to save oneself. :naughty Was the centurion that had faith evil ? Would you call the Samaritan who helped the stranger a self-seeker?

A man cannot do "right" without God.

In the same way that a man can't breathe without God.

Many Christians think like this. Think this through without the dogma barking at your heels and you will see a new world of truth. :yes

Whew! Fortunately I'm not like "other Christians."

Amen!

Psa 14:1 [[To the chief Musician, [A Psalm] of David.]] The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, [there is] none that doeth good.

Yes, even the righteous sin. But God sees them as righteous nonetheless because they habitually do what is right. The bible calls these the righteous! Like Abel etc....and not just so called in the OT...notice the NT verse in Luke 1:6

And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.



Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

[quote:slddge1a]My work is only beginning here! ;)

Hopefully it will come with understanding and love and not a "self-righteous" sledgehammer. Tell me, do you think a "Christian" would use this symbol to describe another Christian?[/quote:slddge1a]

Let us hope so, and let us hope not (in that order)

 

[shad]

1 "But when the Son of Man comes in his glory,
and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory.
32 Before him all the nations will be gathered,
and he will separate them one from another,
as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33 He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
The Righteous

34 Then the King will tell those on his right hand, ‘Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;


# 35 for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat;
# I was thirsty, and you gave me drink;
# I was a stranger, and you took me in;
# 36 naked, and you clothed me;
# I was sick, and you visited me;
# I was in prison, and you came to me.’


37 "Then the righteous will answer him, saying,


# ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you;
# or thirsty, and give you a drink?
# 38 When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in;
# or naked, and clothe you?


39 When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?’
40 "The King will answer them, ‘Most assuredly I tell you,
inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

The Wicked

41 Then he will say also to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels;


# 42 for I was hungry, and you didn’t give me food to eat;
# I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink;
# 43 I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me in;
# naked, and you didn’t clothe me;
# sick, and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’


44 "Then they will also answer, saying,


# ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry,
# or thirsty,
# or a stranger,
# or naked,
# or sick, or in prison,


and didn’t help you?’

45 "Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Most assuredly I tell you,
inasmuch as you didn’t do it to one of the least of these, you didn’t do it to me.’

What is your point here???? Above account is about faithful Christians and unfaithful Christians.

 

[RND]

If you have run with footmen and they have tired you out, Then how can you compete with horses? If you fall down in a land of peace, How will you do in the thicket of the Jordan? Jer. 12:5




John

Indeed, God was speaking through Jeremiah......

Are you tired of racing with men? If so, how can you race against horses? Have you stumbled and fallen to the ground? If so, what will you do in the thickets near the Jordan?

"And if these nations quickly learn the ways of my people, and if they learn to swear by my name, saying, `As surely as the LORD lives' (just as they taught my people to swear by the name of Baal), then they will be given a place among my people. But any nation who refuses to obey me will be uprooted and destroyed. I, the LORD, have spoken!"

No one can do "right" without God.

"No, O people, the LORD has already told you what is good, and this is what he requires: to do what is right, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God."