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We have fewer female pastors

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The disciples of Jesus were all males. How about the apostles?

Definitely, Christ never discriminated against females - perhaps this had to do with culture or law (I mean the reason why none of the disciples were female).

How about today? In our churches...why do we have more male ministers or pastors than female ones? The ratio is incredible!
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I suppose it stems from the fact that God naturally created men to be leaders and heads. It's more likely for a man to be pastor than a woman. History also is male-dominated, it's the traditional role for men to be pastors rather than women.

There's also the issue that if the woman is the pastor, her husband would be under her authority as a spiritual leader, and that doesn't seem to be biblically sound to me. I don't know how this would apply to single women though.

I'm not saying that women can't be leaders, take Deborah for example (though she wasn't a pastor). I just think the probability would be favored towards men because they're created that way, as well as God's own calling in their lives.
 
Despite what today's culture pushes as "fair" and "right", God created gender roles and it's been ordained by God to have male headship in the church. Women do have roles to play and they are certinally valuable but ultimately the one who leads the spiritual development of the congregation should be a man. You cannnot read 1 and 2 Timothy and Titus with sound hermeneutic principals and come to any other conclusion.

I would not attend a church that has a woman preaching the message as it shows poor discernment and is a red flag to other biblical doctrines that are not being followed as God designed.
 
I second Car Guy, we need to be "God Correct, not PC. I feel that many problems inside and outside of church bodies are due to christian men not stepping out in faith including me, God has let me know! Men in general need to lead their families more and respect the contributions women make to our lives more. Without my helpmate I would be a lackluster parent for example we are a team! I have seen the great contributions the ladies at church make and it is a huge blessing.
 
Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Genesis was thought to be written by Moses and Galatians, 1Timothy and Titus were of the Pauline Epistles or those writings of Paul. In Genesis 5:1,2 we see God creating man and women as equals as both their names were called Adam and in Galatians 3:28 (Paul's writing) we see this again under Paul's writings that women are equal to man.

Now here is the quandary, in 1Corinthians 14:34,35; 2Timothy 2:11-15; 3:1,2; Titus 2:4,5 we see a contradiction in Paul's writings compared to what Moses wrote in Genesis 5:1,2 and what Paul wrote in Galatians 3:28. My question is was it just Paul who said women could not preach to man, even though in Galatians Paul said they were the same, or was it God who said this? I have preached to both men and women and if it was not from God to do this then why did I feel so led by the Holy Spirit to teach both genders? Was it mans laws or God saying women could not preach? I do believe women can preach as much as men, but to not take any authority over man as being superior to them in this area as we are all equal in the eyes of God if we are the true seed of Abraham as being heirs with him.

I'm not picking and choosing scripture, but only comparing as there are many scriptures on this subject.
 
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John 1:1 states, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. To me, the Word IS GOD...and I don't care who gives me that word...male or female. I would like to share an article about this very subject, and I hope that it is taken in the spirit of this conversation.

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This Article was taken from Trumpet Wind email list. TrumpetWindList@TrumpetWind.
by Pastor Keith A. Smith

1. There is not one Scripture in the Bible that forbids women from preaching, but on the contrary, there are many verses that encourage both men and women to preach the Gospel.

2. The Bible teaches that God is not a respecter of persons, and He will use any and all who will yield to Him, regardless of race, age, or sex.

Galatians 3:28 - "...neither male nor female...for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."

Acts 10:34 - "...God is no respecter of persons...."

Moses said in Numbers 11:29, "Would God that all the Lord's people were prophets, and that the Lord would put His spirit upon them!"
The crying need of the hour is for more laborers. It is a trick of the enemy to try to down rate thousands of our faithful laborers just because they were born females.

3. The Great Commission, Mark 16:15, "Preach the Gospel," is to ALL believers, and to all the church of Jesus Christ. The command to "preach the Gospel" is to both male and female.

4. It is an undeniable fact that God has called and anointed thousands of women to preach the Gospel. The Full Gospel organizations have hundreds of licensed and ordained women who are preaching, teaching, evangelizing, pastoring, and doing mission work with the signs following their ministry. God is using them for the salvation of the lost, deliverance from sin, gifts of the Spirit, and infilling of the Holy Spirit.

The Bible says, "Touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm." And may we be reminded of the Scripture in Acts 5:39, "If it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God."

When someone says, "God does not call women to preach," it is like saying that God does not baptize with the Holy Spirit today. We know better, because we have witnessed and experienced it with our own ears and eyes.

I would be afraid to condemn women preachers, lest I would be found to be fighting against God, and to be committing the vile sin of attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil.

5. Women preachers are a fulfillment of Bible Prophecy and another sign of Christ's soon return to earth (Joel 2:28; Acts 2:17-18).

6. The Bible declares that women will prophesy: 1 Cor. 11:5, "For every woman that prayeth or prophesieth...."

Both the Hebrew (Nebrah), and Greek (Proph) used for prophetess means (female preacher). (See Young's Concordance, Pg. 780.)

The word "Prophet" means a public expounder.

The word "Prophesy" means to speak forth, or flow forth. The Bible says in 1 Cor. 14:3, "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto MEN to edification, and exhortation and comfort."

The dictionary says, prophesy is "to speak under divine inspiration...to preach."

Therefore we learn from the original translation, from the Bible interpretation, and from the dictionary, that to prophesy means more than to tell the future, but it is to speak publicly about the past, present, or future. It is to preach under the anointing of the Holy Spirit.

The Old and New Testament prophets and prophetesses were preachers of God's Word.

Even if the words prophet and preacher could be separated, how could anyone prophesy to bring exhortation, comfort and edification to the church, if she were forbidden to speak in church and was to keep silent?

Would God inspire and anoint someone to do something that was wrong and sinful???

* (There is a difference between a prophet, and the gift of prophecy.)

7. God called and used women preachers in the Old Testament.

a. DEBORAH - Judges 4:4-5. Deborah was a Judge for both civil and criminal cases. The children of Israel came to her for judgment. She was the chief ruler of Israel for 40 years, giving orders to the Generals and all the army. She did the work of an evangelist, prophetess, Judge, and a preacher. God gave her authority over the mighty (Judges 5:13).

b. MIRIAM - Exodus 15:20; Numbers 12:1; Micah 6:4. She was a Prophetess and a Song Leader in Israel.

c. HULDAH - 2 Kings 22:14. Five men went to Sister Huldah and communed with her. She spoke to a congregation of men concerning the book of the Law. A female preached to a man's congregation, and her message was taken to the nation and produced a revival.

d. MAHER-SHALAL-HASH-BAZ'S MOTHER - Isaiah 8:3. She was a prophetess.

8. God called and used women preachers in the New Testament.

a. The first message of the Resurrection of Christ was spoken by women to a group of men.

b. Anna - Luke 2:36-38. She must have prophesied in church, because she did not depart from the temple.

c. Phillip had 4 daughters who prophesied. Acts 21:9.

d. Priscilla assisted Paul in his revival meeting and even taught Apollos in the way of the Lord more perfectly.

e. Phebe - Romans 16:1-2. Paul commended Phoebe to the Church at Rome and requested that they assist her in her business. She was one of Paul's assistants in the work of the Lord and delivered the Book of Romans to the people from the hand of Paul.

9. There is no sound reason why a woman or man should not preach the Gospel. There is a desperate need in the church for more workers. Laborers are few, and God will use any and all who will go for Him. Some say God will not use a woman to preach, because "The woman was deceived," but remember Romans 5:12: "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world." It seems to indicate that Adam was just as guilty as Eve in the fall of man. If anyone should be kept from preaching because of sin, it would be Adam. But God does not forbid anyone from preaching, because of Adam's or Eve's sin.

10. 1 Cor. 14: 34-35 does not say anything about women preachers. If Paul intended this verse as a general rule to bar all women from speaking in church, then they cannot teach Sunday School, testify, pray, prophesy, sing, or even get saved, and this would contradict the rest of the Bible (Acts 2:4; Acts 2:16-18).

Paul was rather dealing with a particular problem in the church. Women were not educated as were the men in that day; therefore the women would talk back and forth to their husbands in church and ask questions concerning the sermon. Paul said, "If they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." If they want to talk things over let them wait until they get home. This rule is still good for the church today, where people are talking and causing confusion in the church service. They should not speak in church. (Not in the back of the church either before or after services.)

If a woman cannot speak in church, then she cannot speak in prayer meeting, young people's service, etc., for who can deny that Sunday School and Prayer meeting, and Youth work are parts of church? Christ's Church is not a building, but rather it is found where two or three are gathered together in His name, whether at a street meeting, in a tent, a home, church, classroom or anywhere else.

11. 1 Timothy 2:12 is not a blanket rule for all women of all churches. If it were, then the women could not speak at all, for the same verse that tells them not to teach also tells them to be silent.

If all women had to keep silent in church, then that would be promoting disobedience to God, for they could not prophesy, pray, testify, sing, exhort, do personal work, or even get saved.

Whenever an interpretation to a verse contradicts the rest of the teaching of the Bible, we know this interpretation is incorrect, for the Holy Spirit will never contradict His own Word.

This is the chief verse that is used to oppose women preaching and yet it says nothing about preaching, nor does it say anything about a public worship or church service. But, on the contrary, this verse is giving instructions to wives as to how they were to conduct themselves in regard to their husband. Paul says in 1 Cor. 14:35, "And if they will LEARN anything, let them ask their husbands at home." Now he states in 1 Tim. 2:12 that the woman should learn in silence, and should not usurp authority over the man. Paul is dealing with more of a home problem than a church problem.

This verse still applies to us today. It is wrong for a woman to usurp authority over her husband (in church, home, or any place else) as was the case in Paul's day. She should not try to teach him or speak words that would cause discord and confusion, but should rather be silent and in subjection to her husband.

It is also to be understood that if anyone, whether man or woman, is usurping authority over the God-given leadership of the church, she or he is to be silent, and not to teach, or act in such a way that would create discord in the assembly.

12. Some have used Titus 1:6-7, "If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children...", but there is a difference between a preacher and a bishop. For I was an Evangelist and now am a Pastor, but I am not a Bishop (Overseer), and most Pastors are not. If God called a single man with no children to be a Bishop, as Paul was, surely this verse is not opposed to it, nor would this scripture oppose a woman Bishop if she was called of God for the work, as was Deborah.

What this verse does teach is that a person who is to be a Bishop must not have two living companions, either husbands or wives.

The Bible often speaks of "man" when it refers to both men and and women inclusively. The word "mankind" also includes both men and women. For an example of this word usage see 1 Cor. 13:1 - "Though I speak with the tongues of MEN and angels...." This word "MEN" includes women as well, for we do not have one language for men and another for women.

13. To condemn women preachers and women church workers is a serious offense, because God has stamped His approval on them by His Spirit over and over again, and who is man to fight against the Spirit of God?

To condemn women preachers and women church workers is in a sense to claim they are doing wrong and committing sin...and all those who support them and listen to them are having a part in that sin.

For anyone to do this, he must condemn approximately 99% of all the Spirit-filled believers and the vast majority of all of Christianity.

"Of a truth, I perceive that God is no respecter of persons..." (Acts 10:34).



For me...when the Holy Spirit calls you do do something, man or woman, who are we to second guess that calling?
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...preaching, teaching, evangelizing, pastoring, and doing mission work...
You are blurring the lines terribly here.

What is forbidden is women teaching and pastoring men in an authoritative office.

It's ridiculous to think women are not allowed to operate in the gifts of the Spirit. That's not what it means for women to be forbidden to be in authority over men.
 
Old superstitions die hard

In the Assemblies of God, which has ALWAYS been an "egalitarian" denomination, only about 10% of senior pastors are ladies, with a larger percentage of Missionaries being females. In MANY cases BOTH the senior pastor AND his wife will be ordained ministers.

The Deacon board at our church has two ladies, me, and another fellow serving at the present time, but quite a few of the ladies we APPROACHED over the years to be candidates for the board recused themselves - because they were not "Male".
 
I am an Aof G PK met lots of folks over the years... I have never met a female pastor who was/is not wacked. Many good female teachers. Sunday schools would be lost with out the women.
 
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