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Bible Study WELCOME TO A DEEP LOOK AT GENESIS

Chopper

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Genesis Day One.
1:1-5 "In the beginning God" Elohim, is a plural noun in form and three in essence.
God — the name of the Supreme Being, signifying in Hebrew, “Strong,” “Mighty.” It is expressive of omnipotent power; and by its use here in the plural form, is obscurely taught at the opening of the Bible, a doctrine clearly revealed in other parts of it, namely, that though God is one, there is a plurality of persons in the Godhead - Father, Son, and Spirit, who were engaged in the creative work (Pro_8:27; Joh_1:3, Joh_1:10; Eph_3:9; Heb_1:2; Job_26:13). (Used by permission E-Sword)

Regardless of what science imagines how the earth and everything in it came about, the Bible teaches us that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were the creators of creation.

There is great emphasis that we put on God creating out of nothing, not just remodeling, but creating NEW! When God created, He spoke with His voice what exists.

"Without form and void" Thomas Chamlers (1780-1847) In 1814 he was the first to mention that there was a gap between verse 1 and 2. He places a pre- Adamic age. Some great catastrophe took place and ruined it. There are quite a few theories of a cosmos prior to this account of creation. My teaching has always been, if our Lord wanted us to know about this, He would have instructed us in His Word.

Praise the Lord for the light! Light I feel is Holy! Light dispels darkness. Day and Night is the official Biblical 24 hour, per day. At the "beginning" it was important to establish how many hours in a day. This would establish our day count for months and years.
 
Genesis 1:1-5 KJV
Pro 8:1 Doth not wisdom cry? and understanding put forth her voice?
Pro 8:2 She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths.
Pro 8:20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:
Pro 8:21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

The 'I' in these verses is wisdom speaking, the wisdom of God.
 
Please join us in a study "of the beginning". This will be a long study of Genesis no hurry. Feel free to add to the discussion as led.
 
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
 
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Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Beginning means before anything else as in the very first time.
In vs. 1 we see God creating heaven and earth for the very first time.
In vs. 2 we see the earth was without form and void, but yet the earth was there and also had water upon it. I see a hugh gap between vs. 1 and vs. 2.
We might not read mention of a gap in scripture, but that doesn't mean their wasn't one, but could be for that it did not matter what God might have already wiped out before just like the flood that wiped everything from the earth in Noah's time. Who's to say that this world has not been here for millions of years, but like the flood the only thing different was there was no one found righteous in the eyes of God.
 
reba said:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
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I liked how you joined the O.T & N.T. together. It is extremely important to place Jesus, the Christ in creation. Here is the Trinity in action.
 
The gap theory has always interested me, even though I don't believe it's true. But like Debbie said "Who's to say that this world has not been here for millions of years", There are some people who believe that a superior race existed, and created the pyramids, Easter Island, and so on. Others believe that somehow some escaped and that is where we get those flying saucers, and ET. The mind could go hog wild with speculation about a prior civilization. But, as I said before, if God wanted us to know about that, He would have told us.
 
i believe as you do Chopper it matters not what science says science is guesswork at best quotes from "famous" individuals seem to be what people look for even if it means denying the truth..

Genesis 1:5 And the evening and the morning were the first day!

tob
 
What is important is the here and now and how we deal with life at the present as we learn from the past to be an obedient servant of God. Speculation has it's place at times to make one think and search out truth, but what we might think might not always be what is true.
 
Hi Brother Chopper. I like the thought that if God had wanted us to know it, He would have told us. I too adhere to that thinking but speculation cannot become superlative to the written word in such things as what has become known as the gap theory.

I’ll just insert some scripture as the basis for the gap’s inception seemingly plausible and not debate all the different possible scenarios that could be the result of it.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Is there anything before this beginning? Possibly - Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world.

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Can we interpret this to mean He created the earth a wasteland as it were to be inhabited?

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

What happened to the inhabitable earth God created? There is much more, but that according to my understanding is the basis of the gap theory. Thanks.
 
Eugene said:
Hi Brother Chopper. I like the thought that if God had wanted us to know it, He would have told us. I too adhere to that thinking but speculation cannot become superlative to the written word in such things as what has become known as the gap theory.

I’ll just insert some scripture as the basis for the gap’s inception seemingly plausible and not debate all the different possible scenarios that could be the result of it.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Is there anything before this beginning? Possibly - Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world.

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Can we interpret this to mean He created the earth a wasteland as it were to be inhabited?

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

What happened to the inhabitable earth God created? There is much more, but that according to my understanding is the basis of the gap theory. Thanks.
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Thank you my good friend. I hope you continue to help us with your knowledge as we mosey thru Genesis. I have always loved your posts, they are always surrounded by your spirit of love. I will look forward to your participation.
 
Chopper said:
Genesis Day One.
1:1-5 "In the beginning God" Elohim, is a plural noun in form and three in essence.
God — the name of the Supreme Being, signifying in Hebrew, “Strong,” “Mighty.” It is expressive of omnipotent power; and by its use here in the plural form, is obscurely taught at the opening of the Bible, a doctrine clearly revealed in other parts of it, namely, that though God is one, there is a plurality of persons in the Godhead - Father, Son, and Spirit, who were engaged in the creative work (Pro_8:27; Joh_1:3, Joh_1:10; Eph_3:9; Heb_1:2; Job_26:13). (Used by permission E-Sword)

Regardless of what science imagines how the earth and everything in it came about, the Bible teaches us that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were the creators of creation.

There is great emphasis that we put on God creating out of nothing, not just remodeling, but creating NEW! When God created, He spoke with His voice what exists.

"Without form and void" Thomas Chamlers (1780-1847) In 1814 he was the first to mention that there was a gap between verse 1 and 2. He places a pre- Adamic age. Some great catastrophe took place and ruined it. There are quite a few theories of a cosmos prior to this account of creation. My teaching has always been, if our Lord wanted us to know about this, He would have instructed us in His Word.

Praise the Lord for the light! Light I feel is Holy! Light dispels darkness. Day and Night is the official Biblical 24 hour, per day. At the "beginning" it was important to establish how many hours in a day. This would establish our day count for months and years.
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okay. I don't see the first part of the bible that way in part.

1) the word elohim is the empaphis of GOD, not even his name from the Hebrew tounge but a borrowed word. while ramban says its a plural word. he does later say when we are made in our images it the image of the earth and GOD. given that context. I shall go into jewish thought and why I buy that position. did not jesus say that if you have seen me you have seen the father? yes. but the image of god isn't like any man. the Pharisees physically saw jesus. did they miss god? yup they did. they didn't see him for his son ship and also what he was really doing. when we see the son as that. we see god and do what he does. the image is what god is. LOVE.

I will let you chew on that. the lights and darkness thing I will add later with the yod and vav
 
jasonc said:
okay. I don't see the first part of the bible that way in part.

1) the word elohim is the empaphis of GOD, not even his name from the Hebrew tounge but a borrowed word. while ramban says its a plural word. he does later say when we are made in our images it the image of the earth and GOD. given that context. I shall go into jewish thought and why I buy that position. did not jesus say that if you have seen me you have seen the father? yes. but the image of god isn't like any man. the Pharisees physically saw jesus. did they miss god? yup they did. they didn't see him for his son ship and also what he was really doing. when we see the son as that. we see god and do what he does. the image is what god is. LOVE.

I will let you chew on that. the lights and darkness thing I will add later with the yod and vav
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You have said that before, about Elohim. Everything that I have read has named the God who is first mentioned in Genesis is Elohim. Then when the Scripture says the "Lord our God", is "Jehovah our Elohim". Jason, I'm not going to change my position because of a Hebrew rendering of God's Name....Jewish or Hebrew theology refuses Jesus the Christ as a part of the essence of the Godhead. Why in the world would I change Christian doctrine for the rebellious and stiff necked beliefs of Hebrew theology. I don't want to debate this in this forum, so if you want to discuss it further, we'll have to go to SAC. please don't be offended, I don't mean too. Christian theology on the Godhead is far superior to Hebrew in my mind.
 
Chopper said:
You have said that before, about Elohim. Everything that I have read has named the God who is first mentioned in Genesis is Elohim. Then when the Scripture says the "Lord our God", is "Jehovah our Elohim". Jason, I'm not going to change my position because of a Hebrew rendering of God's Name....Jewish or Hebrew theology refuses Jesus the Christ as a part of the essence of the Godhead. Why in the world would I change Christian doctrine for the rebellious and stiff necked beliefs of Hebrew theology. I don't want to debate this in this forum, so if you want to discuss it further, we'll have to go to SAC. please don't be offended, I don't mean too. Christian theology on the Godhead is far superior to Hebrew in my mind.
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you assume that im not a Trinitarian?
 
I don't know if this will help, but the following notes are copied from Mary Bodie's Pamphlet "God - A - Triunity " The following is a sample of Mary Bodie's teaching on the subject

The first mention of God in the Bible is found in Genesis 1:1. In Hebrew it is "Elohim," the plural form. It is the same throughout the chapter, and it is mentioned fifty-two times; also, in chapter two, God is invariably "Elohim." It is the Name of God as Creator and is derived from the word "Eloah" singular, which means "Power, Might, or Force."

It shows that three Personalities were in evidence in all things requiring force or power as
in creation, rather than one Person "Eloah."

Genesis 1:26 is that the Creator, in making man, says, "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness." Note the three positive plural pronouns in that verse, "US, OUR, OUR." There are also other instances where the plural pronoun is used in connection with God.

Genesis 11:7. Again, we have the plural relating to God, in Genesis 18. As Abraham was resting in his tent door, "THREE men stood by him: and when he saw THEM, he ran to meet THEM," and addressed the three as one Lord - "My Lord" -

Deut. 6:4 - "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The word "Lord" is "Adonai" in Hebrew or "Yahweh" (rendered "Jehovah" in the American Revised Version). So we could read it thus, "Jehovah, our Elohim (our Trinity) is one Jehovah."

Psalm 110:1. The distinction between Lord (Adonai or Jehovah) and Jesus as Lord (Adon, Master of Head), "Sit Thou at My right hand, until I make Thine enemies Thy footstool." This verse is quoted verbatim four times in the New Testament. Jesus (Adon) is sitting on His Father's (Adonai's) throne. The one Lord (the Father) invited the other Lord (Christ), when He arose from the dead and ascended into Heaven, to sit upon His throne during this age
 
"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." Colossians 1:15-17 NIV

This Scripture seems to say that in the beginning Jesus created heaven, the earth, stars, man, angels, everything... We were created for Jesus. The hold together part seems to indicate that not only did Jesus create us, but He also sustains our existence moment by moment.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1a NIV
 
What a great time to start a Genesis study ! The time when our Lord redeemed us and prepared the making of all things new. Thank You Lord Jesus.

I often wonder if the creation account was simply a way to introduce Yahweh to His people and show His power and His sovereignty over them and them progress to show His love and plans for them. I don't look at this part of Genesis as intending to show specifics about how Jesus created but simply that He did with very general, and simplistic, language.
 
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