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Bible Study WELCOME TO A DEEP LOOK AT GENESIS
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Chopper
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Thank you for posting the Romans text's. They are some of my favorite's, especially when I'm dealing with election.
Chopper
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Rebekah was chosen .. Chosen to do just as she did... There is a force? a mix? a something? in/of the fact that we women nurture the seed we birth it that kind of thing. What is the church to bring forth? I wish i had fancy words
Your words are fancy enough! I always know exactly what your are posting. I can't say that about everyone. Sometimes I have to read other posts several times before I get what they are saying. I always remember the saying of an old preacher, can't remember his name, he said "Keep the cooky jar down low so the kids can get at them." I remembered that and it kept my sermons quite simple. KISS, keep it simple stupid.
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agua.
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I didnt' ask cause i think i know the answerjust asking
I thought I replied because you asked :/
Chopper
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Day 59 Saturday 6/14/14 Genesis 28:1-5 A Blessed Journey.
I find this little section most interesting. Somewhere I read that Jewish men say or pray, "I thank God that I'm not a sinner like a tax collector, or a Gentile, or a woman." Personally, I think that saying is more of a "male ego" than truth. Rebekah certainly didn't believe it!
We see in V.46 of Chapter 27 Rebekah suggesting to Isaac whom Jacob should marry. Certainly the marriage of Esau and his Hittite wife gave Rebekah great concern so, she didn't want the same from Jacob. I find it very interesting how God's plans and desires get carried out in this old sinful world. The future of Jacob is no exception. I understand that Jewish writers indicate that Jacob is 77 years old, and still without a wife. Sure seems odd?
In V.1 of our text, Isaac calls Jacob to his side so that he can bless him, and send him on his way. This blessing is not new but enforcing the previous one given to Jacob. I find it interesting that there is no rebuke for Jacob for how he came by the birth rite and first born blessing. Actually, what happens to Jacob at the hands of Laban, will settle the score!
I find this little section most interesting. Somewhere I read that Jewish men say or pray, "I thank God that I'm not a sinner like a tax collector, or a Gentile, or a woman." Personally, I think that saying is more of a "male ego" than truth. Rebekah certainly didn't believe it!
We see in V.46 of Chapter 27 Rebekah suggesting to Isaac whom Jacob should marry. Certainly the marriage of Esau and his Hittite wife gave Rebekah great concern so, she didn't want the same from Jacob. I find it very interesting how God's plans and desires get carried out in this old sinful world. The future of Jacob is no exception. I understand that Jewish writers indicate that Jacob is 77 years old, and still without a wife. Sure seems odd?
In V.1 of our text, Isaac calls Jacob to his side so that he can bless him, and send him on his way. This blessing is not new but enforcing the previous one given to Jacob. I find it interesting that there is no rebuke for Jacob for how he came by the birth rite and first born blessing. Actually, what happens to Jacob at the hands of Laban, will settle the score!
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His_nee (Jeff)
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Rebekah may have agreed with that prayer for men thanking God that they weren't women more than expected.
She knew not just how bad women could be and were, but how bad the effects of them on believers were.(including the mankind-changing effects even of a 'good beautiful smart woman' like Eve?
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perspective..... perspective .... (Jewish women were also praying "thank you God that my husband is not a woman"
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Genesis 27:46
Expanded Bible (EXB)
46 Then Rebekah said to Isaac, “I am ·tired of [weary of my life due to] ·Hittite women [L the daughters of the Hittites]. If Jacob marries one of ·these Hittite women [L the daughters of the Hittites] here in this land, ·I want to die [why would I want to live?].”
Genesis 27:46
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
46 Rivkah said to Yitz’chak, “I’m sick to death of Hitti women! If Ya‘akov marries one of the Hitti women, like those who live here, my life won’t be worth living.”
She knew not just how bad women could be and were, but how bad the effects of them on believers were.(including the mankind-changing effects even of a 'good beautiful smart woman' like Eve?
)perspective..... perspective .... (Jewish women were also praying "thank you God that my husband is not a woman"
)Genesis 27:46
Expanded Bible (EXB)
46 Then Rebekah said to Isaac, “I am ·tired of [weary of my life due to] ·Hittite women [L the daughters of the Hittites]. If Jacob marries one of ·these Hittite women [L the daughters of the Hittites] here in this land, ·I want to die [why would I want to live?].”
Genesis 27:46
Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
46 Rivkah said to Yitz’chak, “I’m sick to death of Hitti women! If Ya‘akov marries one of the Hitti women, like those who live here, my life won’t be worth living.”
Gen 28:1 And Isaac called Jacob, and blessed him, and charged him, and said unto him, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan.
Gen 28:2 Arise, go to Padanaram, to the house of Bethuel thy mother's father; and take thee a wife from thence of the daughters of Laban thy mother's brother.
Gen 28:3 And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people;
Gen 28:4 And give thee the blessing of Abraham, to thee, and to thy seed with thee; that thou mayest inherit the land wherein thou art a stranger, which God gave unto Abraham.
Gen 28:5 And Isaac sent away Jacob: and he went to Padanaram unto Laban, son of Bethuel the Syrian, the brother of Rebekah, Jacob's and Esau's mother.
Gen 28:2 Arise, go to Padanaram, to the house of Bethuel thy mother's father; and take thee a wife from thence of the daughters of Laban thy mother's brother.
Gen 28:3 And God Almighty bless thee, and make thee fruitful, and multiply thee, that thou mayest be a multitude of people;
Gen 28:4 And give thee the blessing of Abraham, to thee, and to thy seed with thee; that thou mayest inherit the land wherein thou art a stranger, which God gave unto Abraham.
Gen 28:5 And Isaac sent away Jacob: and he went to Padanaram unto Laban, son of Bethuel the Syrian, the brother of Rebekah, Jacob's and Esau's mother.
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His_nee (Jeff)
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:amen.... all through Genesis Yhwh shows how He delivered His people from being in or yoked to the pagans(in business and personally).
Today, in contrast, many 'believers' are willingly yoked in business or in un-sanctified assemblies with the world's practices willy nillly (saw that used on another thread, and it fits here too).
that we may all be delivered from the deception of the world, of sin, of the flesh and of the devil. (all the way from our own little personal lives all the way up through every level of the worldly oppressive deceptive industry, government, and church).(we are all surrounded by deception at every level - I think in Hosea it is written that the righteous man must constantly beware the serious traps that are layed EVERY DAY to trap him, EVEN in the HOUSE OF YHWH)
Sinthesis
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Whereas Abraham married his half sister, and Isaac married his first cousin once removed, Jacob is sent off to marry one (or two) of his first cousins. So the patriarchs were hillbillies?
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agua.
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I'm guessing our genes weren't as polluted back then and so marrying a close relative wasn't such a stigma that people now lay on hillbillies. ie. deformities from swimming too close in the gene pool wasn't a problem.
Chopper
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For some reason I have not been getting alerts on this thread?
Hopefully theyll start again after this post.
Hey there my bearded buddy, i would think that you'll get them now. Happy Father's Day!
Chopper
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Day 60 Sunday 6/15/14 Genesis 28:6-9 What really is happening?
After reading these four verses over and over I can't decide what Esau is really up too. I have read five different commentators on these verses, and they all say that they think that Esau is trying in some way to make up to his father. Esau decides to seek a wife from his father's family. Now, big question. Was this decision to gain a little favor with Isaac? or was it just another marriage Jab like marrying the Hittite women?
When I first read these verses, I felt that Esau was still in an attitude of revenge toward his mother and father over the loss of the first born blessing. I find it hard to believe that Esau knew nothing about going to the people who were of the "bond Woman" and cast out of Abraham's family line. So, I'm going to believe that this decision was another way for Esau to show his displeasure to his parents. (There still is a bit of a rebel in me). I think if he wanted to impress his parents, he would have divorced the Hittite wives and had this one wife.
Soooooo, what do ye say?
After reading these four verses over and over I can't decide what Esau is really up too. I have read five different commentators on these verses, and they all say that they think that Esau is trying in some way to make up to his father. Esau decides to seek a wife from his father's family. Now, big question. Was this decision to gain a little favor with Isaac? or was it just another marriage Jab like marrying the Hittite women?
When I first read these verses, I felt that Esau was still in an attitude of revenge toward his mother and father over the loss of the first born blessing. I find it hard to believe that Esau knew nothing about going to the people who were of the "bond Woman" and cast out of Abraham's family line. So, I'm going to believe that this decision was another way for Esau to show his displeasure to his parents. (There still is a bit of a rebel in me). I think if he wanted to impress his parents, he would have divorced the Hittite wives and had this one wife.
Soooooo, what do ye say?
Chopper
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Tomorrow's Study: Day 61 Monday 6/16/14 Genesis 28:10-22 Jacob's Dream.
This will be the last study that I place on the board until I return from Maine. Reba is the leader, what ever she decides to do, post each day, or take a break until Monday 6/23/14. It's her decision....Love you all!
This will be the last study that I place on the board until I return from Maine. Reba is the leader, what ever she decides to do, post each day, or take a break until Monday 6/23/14. It's her decision....Love you all!
TOG
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Now Esau saw that Isaac had blessed Jacob and sent him away to Paddan-aram to take a wife from there, and that as he blessed him he directed him, “You must not take a wife from the Canaanite women,” and that Jacob had obeyed his father and his mother and gone to Paddan-aram. So when Esau saw that the Canaanite women did not please Isaac his father, Esau went to Ishmael and took as his wife, besides the wives he had, Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael, Abraham's son, the sister of Nebaioth. (Gen. 28:6-9 ESV)
The TOG
Gen 28:6 When Esau saw that Isaac had blessed Jacob, and sent him away to Padanaram, to take him a wife from thence; and that as he blessed him he gave him a charge, saying, Thou shalt not take a wife of the daughters of Canaan;
Gen 28:7 And that Jacob obeyed his father and his mother, and was gone to Padanaram;
Gen 28:8 And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac his father;
Gen 28:9 Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of Nebajoth, to be his wife.
Esau was a man pleaser... himself first and then his father...
Pro_16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
fully believing there are lessons here ( the whole of the OT) easy to skip over. :neutral Guess they show up as needed...
Gen 28:7 And that Jacob obeyed his father and his mother, and was gone to Padanaram;
Gen 28:8 And Esau seeing that the daughters of Canaan pleased not Isaac his father;
Gen 28:9 Then went Esau unto Ishmael, and took unto the wives which he had Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael Abraham's son, the sister of Nebajoth, to be his wife.
Esau was a man pleaser... himself first and then his father...
Pro_16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Rom 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
fully believing there are lessons here ( the whole of the OT) easy to skip over. :neutral Guess they show up as needed...
Stan1953
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Hey Chopper...yep got one today...same to you. My youngest son took me out for brunch and my daughter is supposed to be taking me out for dinner.
As far as Esau, I think guilt was a big factor in everything he did until he grew up and met his brother for the first time afterwards in Gen 33. By that time he had reconciled with himself, his brother, and God.