Bible Study WELCOME TO AN IN DEPTH STUDY OF MATTHEW'S GOSPEL.

[daninthelionsden]

Thank you Dan for your perspective. As far as violence, there was plenty of that coming from the Scribes and Pharisees.

In Matthew 21:43 we can see how Jesus said that the kingdom of God would be taken away from the Temple hierarchy. This means that several references to the kingdom are referring to the Temple administration thereof. For example the verse in chapter 11 about violence in the kingdom. What I'm saying is that I don't believe one can take verse 12 in chapter 11 and have it referring to the Temple administered kingdom and then have verse 11 in the very same chapter suddenly be referring to the Christ administered kingdom. I believe Jesus was telling those present that John the Baptist is least in the Temple administered kingdom and not least in todays Christ administered kingdom.
I think sometimes a complicated theology can act as a black hole and suck verses out of context into a burdgeoning theological position in need of scriptural support. Christ meaning John the Baptist was least in the Temple keeps the flow and context of the chapter.

 

[Chopper]

God records history that we might learn what not to do
I Corinthians 10:6 KJV (area)
Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
........
This is how he instructs:
Isaiah 28:16 KJV
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
.......
This is how God helps us inwardly through the indwelling Holy Spirit (new man).
Isaiah 28:26 KJV
For his God doth instruct him to discretion, and doth teach him.
.......
Two covenants:
Choose better covenant based on promises of word in heart and mind.

In Heart: (for flesh)
Trust in crucified Christ - confess sins
In Mind:
He cleanses

Romans 7:25
I Peter 2:24

Real message to me

eddif

Thank you friend for those Scriptures and your instructions. You have helped me express the Truth of this thread.

 

[Chopper]

In Matthew 21:43 we can see how Jesus said that the kingdom of God would be taken away from the Temple hierarchy. This means that several references to the kingdom are referring to the Temple administration thereof. For example the verse in chapter 11 about violence in the kingdom. What I'm saying is that I don't believe one can take verse 12 in chapter 11 and have it referring to the Temple administered kingdom and then have verse 11 in the very same chapter suddenly be referring to the Christ administered kingdom. I believe Jesus was telling those present that John the Baptist is least in the Temple administered kingdom and not least in todays Christ administered kingdom.
I think sometimes a complicated theology can act as a black hole and suck verses out of context into a burgeoning theological position in need of scriptural support. Christ meaning John the Baptist was least in the Temple keeps the flow and context of the chapter.

Again, thank you Dan for your addition to this thread. It means a lot to me, that when I reach out and ask for help on a thread, that you and others come to the rescue with solid theological instruction.

You are a relatively new member of our wonderful Christian Forum. I see from your posts that you're very knowledgeable of God's Word and that's a big help to me whenever I need someone else's point of view.... I noticed from your profile that you're no spring chicken, so thanks for helping this old dirt bag make better sense from some Scripture.

I love You.

 

[daninthelionsden]

Again, thank you Dan for your addition to this thread. It means a lot to me, that when I reach out and ask for help on a thread, that you and others come to the rescue with solid theological instruction.

You are a relatively new member of our wonderful Christian Forum. I see from your posts that you're very knowledgeable of God's Word and that's a big help to me whenever I need someone else's point of view.... I noticed from your profile that you're no spring chicken, so thanks for helping this old dirt bag make better sense from some Scripture.

I love You.

The same here Chopper. I wanted to see what you thought of my understanding of Matt 11:11/12. I respect your opinion of this, positive or negative. You are very advanced spiritually. You have learned the behavioral application of the ways of our Lord in a way I can only hope to achieve someday.

 

[Chopper]

The same here Chopper. I wanted to see what you thought of my understanding of Matt 11:11/12. I respect your opinion of this, positive or negative. You are very advanced spiritually. You have learned the behavioral application of the ways of our Lord in a way I can only hope to achieve someday.

Thank you Dan. I'm honored to call you my friend and fellow Theologian. I hate to say it, but the Temple Leaders of Israel were so blinded and stupid as to what John the Baptist was all about, that they missed entirely this Prophet that showed up after 400 years since Malachi. You would have thought that the Temple authorities would have rejoiced to see and believe that John the Baptist was a true spokesman of their Jehovah, just the way he was preaching repentance, was a true prophet of the Almighty and to obey his instructions.

The Temple authorities, Priests, Sanhedrin, Scribes, and Pharisees all refused John, and what He said about the coming of Jesus. It must have been the beginning of a tremendous jealousy that would build in the hearts of Israel's Leaders that would finally exhibit itself in murdering Jesus by crucifixion.

Have you ever nailed down what or who was behind Israel's blindness and rebellion against the Commandments, Statues, and Rules of God all thru the Old Covenant? I'd be interested in your thinking, as well as my honored fellow Theologian smaller.

 

[eddif]

Ezekiel 9:3 KJV
And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;
4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.
8 And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?

The sins of Israel had gotten to the point that judgement came. This is however, a type of the final judgement at the end of time. Did it happen? Yes. Was it the main judgement? No. The lake of fire will be eternal.

What happened to the greivers?

Ezekiel 11:16 KJV
Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary in the countries where they shall come.

So the good guys are cast into foreign countries.

So the bad guys are killed and 400 years of no good spiritual leadership will follow. When Jesus came there was a form of religion but the ones with heartfelt goodness are in foreign countries.

This really begins to unfold if one reads Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, etc. ( under the leadership of the Holy Spirit). There should be an understanding of what was going on in Jesus's day.

The good guys returned for Pentecost (in a big way).

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Chopper]

March 2nd, 2016 Matthew 22:1 - 14 The Parable of the Wedding Feast

Matthew 22:1 "And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
22:4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
22:5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
22:6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
22:9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
22:10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

I really love the Old Covenant. The history of Israel has always interested me. The miracles that God showered on that Nation has showed me the Grace of God and the ultimate patience and long suffering that He has extended to the "apple of His eye". This parable of the wedding feast is typical of Israel's rebellion against God, and it's very hard to understand why. They were idol worshipers of the nations around them, and somehow, Satan had to give them answers to their requests to keep them serving those idols.

This parable only reinforces our understanding of just how much Israel had wandered away from the love of their God Elohim. It's a sad tale of God's disappointment that His reaching out to the Jews resulted in a rejection of God's favor. To be honest? I have never figured out why God's special people could be so ungrateful to their God Who was everything to their needs.

Verses 11 & 12 are interesting to me, and I don't take the standard explanation of other theologians. This is what I see....This person is a Jew. He heard about the invitation to the wedding feast, and he knew that there would be a very great banquet of fine food. He was hungry, and went only for the food.

Because this man was not a real friend, nor a believer in the King's Son, he was rejected, and according to the righteous judgment of God, was cast out to later be judged at the Great White Throne of Jesus and cast into the Lake of Fire. Hmm.

This I do know. Because of Israel's rejection of this awesome, high and lifted God, I have come to the Salvation that Israel rejected....That's what I see in this parable, how about you folk?

 

[reba]

This I do know. Because of Israel's rejection of this awesome, high and lifted God, I have come to the Salvation that Israel rejected....That's what I see in this parable, how about you folk?

Not often do i disagree with you Chopper this is one of those times...
The salvation of the world did not depend on the Jewish rejection of The Christ.
The Scriptural support ...
Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Along with the many OT stories of sacrifice all pointing to the Cross

Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

May God continue to richly bless you Chopper :yes

 

[th1b.taylor]

March 2nd, 2016 Matthew 22:1 - 14 The Parable of the Wedding Feast

Matthew 22:1 "And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
22:4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
22:5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
22:6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
22:9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
22:10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

I really love the Old Covenant. The history of Israel has always interested me. The miracles that God showered on that Nation has showed me the Grace of God and the ultimate patience and long suffering that He has extended to the "apple of His eye". This parable of the wedding feast is typical of Israel's rebellion against God, and it's very hard to understand why. They were idol worshipers of the nations around them, and somehow, Satan had to give them answers to their requests to keep them serving those idols.

This parable only reinforces our understanding of just how much Israel had wandered away from the love of their God Elohim. It's a sad tale of God's disappointment that His reaching out to the Jews resulted in a rejection of God's favor. To be honest? I have never figured out why God's special people could be so ungrateful to their God Who was everything to their needs.

Verses 11 & 12 are interesting to me, and I don't take the standard explanation of other theologians. This is what I see....This person is a Jew. He heard about the invitation to the wedding feast, and he knew that there would be a very great banquet of fine food. He was hungry, and went only for the food.

Because this man was not a real friend, nor a believer in the King's Son, he was rejected, and according to the righteous judgment of God, was cast out to later be judged at the Great White Throne of Jesus and cast into the Lake of Fire. Hmm.

This I do know. Because of Israel's rejection of this awesome, high and lifted God, I have come to the Salvation that Israel rejected....That's what I see in this parable, how about you folk?

Both joy and regret. I regret that I have not been better at reaching people with the Gospel. But those first two verses set the stage for comprehension, this is a picture of the wedding feast in Heaven. And for me it illustrates that there will e folks that didn't quite make the grade to be in the Bride of the Christ but strove to be righteous will be saved. It is a grand Word Picture of Heaven having different levels of reward amd I like much better than discussing the Crowns we will earn.

 

[reba]

The same Blood saves us all .. there is not less DNA in His Blood for this person or that person.. We are all one in Christ

 

[Chopper]

Not often do i disagree with you Chopper this is one of those times...
The salvation of the world did not depend on the Jewish rejection of The Christ.
The Scriptural support ...
Rev_13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Along with the many OT stories of sacrifice all pointing to the Cross

Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

May God continue to richly bless you Chopper :yes

You are absolutely right Reba, thank you for pointing out my error. I didn't explain what I believe very well and I regret that. What I believe is that God wanted the Jewish Nations to be the ones to spread the Gospel to the world through believing on, and receiving Jesus Christ as their Messiah. Since they rejected Jesus as Messiah, that noble call went to the Gentiles of which the Apostle Paul was commissioned by God to preach the Gospel to the Gentile's.

Is that correct according to your thinking Reba? Can you add or subtract from that?

 

[reba]

you may be correct and me 'all wet'.... just my thoughts

Not completely .. God's plan of salvation was in place from 'foundation' of the world.. Who is man to thwart The Most High's plan..

Christ was slain from the beginning.. Had the Jews accepted Him there would not have been the Cross..

 

[Chopper]

you may be correct and me 'all wet'.... just my thoughts

Not completely .. God's plan of salvation was in place from 'foundation' of the world.. Who is man to thwart The Most High's plan..

Christ was slain from the beginning.. Had the Jews accepted Him there would not have been the Cross..

Yep, you're right again. Hmm, I guess that Israel's rejection of Christ as their Messiah was all in our mighty God's plan all along. Hmm!
Our God is amazing isn't He? AMAZING GOD, MIGHTY GOD.

I know that God has a sense of humor because He made monkeys and me.

 

[eddif]

Romans 4:9 KJV
Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well,

So?
Some went off to the world, and sinned.
And
Some were under the external sign and sinned.

When those who wept over the sins of Israel went into the nations, the nations heard of God. (Post 1886)

When Jesus (the bridegroom) came, several were notified they did not have on the garment of belief. The Gentile lady was called a dog. Both Jew and Gentile interacted with the bridegroom. Then the full Gentile inclusion happened,

At the last trump the wedding starts.

(What kind of redneck junk is this?)

eddif

 

[eddif]

At the judgement all the wedding garments and lambs book of life are gone over. Some go to heaven and some to the lake of fire.

This should all be an interesting discussion.

eddif

 

[eddif]

These were the last verses of chapter 21
Matthew 21:45 KJV
And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
46 But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because they took him for a prophet.

The visable kingdom was coming to an end.
The kingdom of the inner man was to begin.

This is a transition time.

Thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth is about to be made possible. Not a visable kingdom (the bridegroom is going to be seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven).

Our relationship now is the betrothal (?) period? We do not see the physical, but have garments we can not see:
Garment of praise
Breastplate of righteousness
Gospel of peace shoes
Etc.

Works of the law are not our righteousness.

Belief, trust, hidden man of heart, etc., are our present New Jerusalem.

Even outer darkness is not seen.

Many are called to this invisable kingdom, but few are chosen. 22:14

eddif

 

[reba]

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

 

[Chopper]

FRIDAY, MAY 12, 2017 MATTHEW 22:15 - 22 JESUS SENT THEM PACKING.

Matthew 22:15 "Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.
22:16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.
22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
22:22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way."

O boy, here we go again, the Pharisees are up to there old tricks. It seems to me that their main focus in life was not the well being of Israel, but their mission was to somehow see that this man Jesus, be brought to justice and therefore found guilty and sentenced to death.

I'll be honest here, other than God planned it this way, Israel as a whole, never could, or would, believe what the Prophets had to say about Jesus of Nazareth. When I read what Isaiah had to say about the birth and place of Jesus' birth, they must have been blind to what Isaiah prophesied. I just don't get it!

Instead of questioning Jesus to find out if He was their Messiah, their questions were to trap Jesus to find Him guilty of a crime against Rome or Israel's Laws. "Tribute money" was a tax to Rome. A penny was produced and the image on it was Caesars. To answer their question, Jesus said "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."

I wonder what you all see in this passage? Do some of my Bible Study Friends see some golden nuggets?

 

[Douglas Summers]

In Matthew 21:43 we can see how Jesus said that the kingdom of God would be taken away from the Temple hierarchy. This means that several references to the kingdom are referring to the Temple administration thereof. For example the verse in chapter 11 about violence in the kingdom. What I'm saying is that I don't believe one can take verse 12 in chapter 11 and have it referring to the Temple administered kingdom and then have verse 11 in the very same chapter suddenly be referring to the Christ administered kingdom. I believe Jesus was telling those present that John the Baptist is least in the Temple administered kingdom and not least in todays Christ administered kingdom.
I think sometimes a complicated theology can act as a black hole and suck verses out of context into a burdgeoning theological position in need of scriptural support. Christ meaning John the Baptist was least in the Temple keeps the flow and context of the chapter.

Hi Chopper, In truth, The Church (His Body) will be the Temple administration and will rule with Christ. John the baptist will have much more authority in the kingdom administration then any of the religious leaders. (1 Cor. 6:2-4)

 

[IncredibleTransformation]

FRIDAY, MAY 12, 2017 MATTHEW 22:15 - 22 JESUS SENT THEM PACKING.

Matthew 22:15 "Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.
22:16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.
22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
22:22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way."

O boy, here we go again, the Pharisees are up to there old tricks. It seems to me that their main focus in life was not the well being of Israel, but their mission was to somehow see that this man Jesus, be brought to justice and therefore found guilty and sentenced to death.

I'll be honest here, other than God planned it this way, Israel as a whole, never could, or would, believe what the Prophets had to say about Jesus of Nazareth. When I read what Isaiah had to say about the birth and place of Jesus' birth, they must have been blind to what Isaiah prophesied. I just don't get it!

Instead of questioning Jesus to find out if He was their Messiah, their questions were to trap Jesus to find Him guilty of a crime against Rome or Israel's Laws. "Tribute money" was a tax to Rome. A penny was produced and the image on it was Caesars. To answer their question, Jesus said "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."

I wonder what you all see in this passage? Do some of my Bible Study Friends see some golden nuggets?

I think you pretty much summed it up Chopper. The pharisees were greedy for money and power. They saw Jesus as a threat not the Messiah that came to save them. Their hearts were hardened by their earthly need for money and power.