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I believe that you are right brother Chopper. I read Matthew Henry's commentary on this passage. He talks about hypocrites. Hypocrites look good but they bare no fruit. Therefore they are cursed with perpetual baroness. It could also represent a baron church that looks good but has no fruit. This church is also cursed with baroness. However, if you have faith in God, you are not baron, you can move mountains.
 
The fig tree was representative of the nation of Israel and the old covenant, the covenant made with Moses. When Jesus came upon the fig tree he found only leaves, but no fruit thereof. When Jesus condemns the fig tree in that it shall not bring forth fruit for ever, he is telling them that the LAW will never bear the fruits of righteousness. Ironically, all Jesus found on the fig tree were leaves, the same thing Adam and Eve used to cover and hide their shame.

There is only one mountain in the world that requires faith to cast it to the side, and that mountain is Mt. Sinai, the mountain of the law and covenant with Moses. We are called forth to Mt. Sion and the heavenly Jerusalem, we are called to walk by FAITH, but for many, the law of Moses stands in their way, and they remain under the shadow cast by Mt. Sinai.

Jesus said the fig would never bear fruit and so condemned it. The Law will never bear the fruits of righteousness, therefore it has been replaced with a new covenant, where the righteousness of God will be revealed through Faith. All it takes is the faith the size of a mustard seed, and you can say to that mountain, be thou removed. To say to the Law of Moses, be thou removed. For the Righteousness of God is revealed FROM faith TO FAITH. As it is written: The Just shall live by FAITH.
Thanks for posting this EZ.
Never heard Mr. Sinai being referred to in this passage before.

Wondering
 
Earthquakes. Do they move by faith?

Zechariah 14:4
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

eddif
 
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I believe that you are right brother Chopper. I read Matthew Henry's commentary on this passage. He talks about hypocrites. Hypocrites look good but they bare no fruit. Therefore they are cursed with perpetual baroness. It could also represent a baron church that looks good but has no fruit. This church is also cursed with baroness. However, if you have faith in God, you are not baron, you can move mountains.

Thank you Sandy. It's good to hear from you again. If only our church Pastors would stop their busy days and really take a look at the fruit of their ministry. Some would realize that they are simply spinning in circles. Nothing new, no souls being saved and no concrete discipleship. Change is what they need....Thank God for the churches that are still on fire for our Lord.
 
Thank you Sandy. It's good to hear from you again. If only our church Pastors would stop their busy days and really take a look at the fruit of their ministry. Some would realize that they are simply spinning in circles. Nothing new, no souls being saved and no concrete discipleship. Change is what they need....Thank God for the churches that are still on fire for our Lord.
I have not been to a church that was on fire for the Lord in a long time. We have traded the Holy Spirit for a political influence. We have lost the true power of the church. It's so sad to see what's happening. I pray for a revival all the time. The hearts of His people have grown cold.
 
Thank you for illuminating a deeper meaning for the passage concerning the fig tree and for the natural characteristics this tree. I'd not thought of it in this way.
 
Earthquakes. Do they move by faith?

Zechariah 14:4
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

eddif


This was part of an earlier conversation in this thread.

http://christianforums.net/Fellowsh...of-matthews-gospel.55689/page-59#post-1075651
http://christianforums.net/Fellowsh...of-matthews-gospel.55689/page-59#post-1075651

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I would say that on that Day, Mt Zion descended upon Mt Sinai. The children of Israel heard the voice of God, yet saw no similitude, as He spoke from Zion. The children of Israel rejected the Spirit of the Lord that day for fear of their death, so they chose instead to follow Moses, and they made a covenant with Death, the covenant made upon Sinai. Had they accepted His Spirit on that day, they would have been granted the Tree of Life; but they chose death instead, and so from Sinai the Tree of the Knowledge of good and evil fed them. Because of this, the word spoken that day has been masked in the shadow of the two mountains, and they never knew from which mountain the Voice did come, and so they make both a law and requirement. And like Adam when he was expelled from the Garden, God did have compassion on him and gave him covering that so that His Death would not be imputed unto him, and so as Adam had committed a sin unto death, God sent him from the Garden without imputing unto him his death: For Death was in the world from Adam until Moses, but where there is NO LAW, then Death is not imputed unto them. The covering given to Adam caused the Angel of Death to pass over them. This is what was celebrated as the Passover of God in the land of Egypt, and the haste in which Adam was forced from the Garden before Death could take him.

But we do not stand in the shadow of two mountains any longer, for the words that proceeded forth from the lips of Jesus was the word of God as it was given from Mt Zion. The prophecy of Christ standing upon the mount of Olives found in Zech 14 has already been fulfilled in Jesus and the words that he spoke upon the mount, for in His death and resurrection and Judgement that followed, the mount has been divided, and half has moved to the North, and the other half to the South. There should no longer be any confusion, for Mt Zion has been moved North, and Mt Sinai has been moved South, and a great valley stands between. Some still try to Glory in the shadow of Mt Sinai, holding on to their covering and promise of salvation. But those who follow after the Spirit, they should be basking in the light that does come forth from Mt Zion.

You can see the foreshadow of this in the division of the Kingdom of Israel into two kingdoms. The Kingdom of the ten Northern tribes of the House of Israel, and the Kingdom of the two southern tribes of the House of Judah. Jesus when he came was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Note Jeremiah 23:5-8.
 
I am seeking so much to get off in the spirit.

There is one mountain where faith moves mountains. The mount of olives (at the foot) where Jesus prayed to do the will of the Father.

The earthquake of the cross opened a valley of decision. The Roman soldier realized truly this is / was the son of God.

All the saints (Jew and Gentile - male and female move into this valley of decision) this is where we will be picked up to go to the throne of judgement (IMHO). We are seeking to see all saved (Jew and Gentile) by presenting the gospel.

Somehow I don't think we are on top of Mt Zion waving our arms. I ought to know. I spent years thinking I had arrived. Maybe my mindset had a great benefit, but my flesh and mind depended on the earthquake Jesus caused. I did not create the valley of decision, but he did (spear caused a valley). My stony heart needs to be broken and displaced far enough away that my new white stone of flesh can have a chance.

There is a good chance that North is up to the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven. The brain has physical symbols that relate.

Romans 7:25

eddif
 
December 21, 2016 Matthew 21:23-27 Authority Challenged.

23 And when he (Jesus) was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority? 24 And Jesus answered and said unto them, I also will ask you one thing, which if ye tell me, I in like wise will tell you by what authority I do these things. 25 The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him? 26 But if we shall say, Of men; we fear the people; for all hold John as a prophet. 27 And they answered Jesus, and said, We cannot tell. And he said unto them, Neither tell I you by what authority I do these things.

First, lets see just who these people were who were challenging Jesus. They were a mixture of priests and the laity who had been chosen from the Elders of the Community to be members of the ruling Sanhedrin. (some say Sanhedrim) The main point here is that THEY HAD BEEN CHOSEN or elected. Their question was WHO CHOSE YOU, we didn't!! We need to understand that prior to this, Jesus walked into their Temple and threw out the money changers and cleansed His Fathers house of prayer.

This action of Jesus highly upset the Sanhedrin, I would say, "they were torqued off!" In essence, they were asking "where did you get the authority to march into our Temple and do what you did." Mark says, it was "as Jesus was walking in the temple": and at the same time teaching the people, who flocked about him. So this was not a formal teaching situation, but a casual stroll around the Temple area teaching doctrine as He went along.

The question of where Jesus got His authority and commission to teach in the Temple was a trap, as they thought. Their question is similar to my ordination service to the Baptist Preaching/Teaching Ministry. On April 3rd 1980, an ordination counsel was set up at the Baptist Church that I was the Pastor, and for the next 5 hours I was questioned on my doctrine's, theology, church policies, counseling procedures and so on. This is what the Sanhedrin was looking for especially because they were the only legal counsel to issue such authority, and they had nothing to do with Jesus.

Jesus knew that they were laying a trap for Him, so to skirt this snare, He asked them a question, that if they answered it, He would give them the answer to their question.... by what authority did John administer the ordinance of water baptism, which had never been administered before by any? who sent him to preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, a doctrine the world had never heard of before? was it from God or man?

They reasoned with themselves. I can just see these men huddled together like a football play,
saying, if we shall say from heaven; if we shall return for answer, that the baptism and ministry of John were of divine appointment, and that he acted by a divine authority....John Gill has this to say about these words....
"But if we shall say of men,.... They reasoned with themselves, that should they give their answer in this form, and say, that the ministry and baptism of John, were merely human, and what he took up of himself, or which he performed by an authority derived from men, we fear the people; that were then upon the spot, in the temple; who, as many of them were now the followers of Christ, more of them had been the admirers of John, and probably had been baptized by him: wherefore the Sanhedrin were afraid of them, lest if they should affirm, that the authority by which John acted was human, they would immediately rise up against them; and, as Luke says, "stone" them: so high a veneration had they for him, and so dear was his memory still unto them, for all held John as a prophet. These are the words of the high priests and elders, and not of the evangelist, expressing the reason of their fears from the people, who, in general, were thoroughly persuaded, as Luke expresses it, and firmly believed that John was a prophet, that was raised up, and sent immediately by God; and did not derive his authority and commission to preach and baptize from any man, or set of men, whatever."

He will say unto us, why did ye not believe him? why did not ye believe the doctrine that he preached? and receive the testimony that he gave concerning the Messiah? and why were ye not baptized by him? why did ye reject the counsel of God against yourselves? They saw plainly, that if they owned the divine authority of John's baptism and ministry, they must allow Jesus to be the true Messiah, John bore witness to; and consequently, that it was by a divine authority he did what he did; and then there was an end of the question, and is the very thing that Christ had in view.

Well, it's looks like Jesus was the Victor in this saga of the Sanhedrin trying to find something to stone Jesus for. Thank you Jesus for your wisdom and knowledge.
 
They Sanhedrin was so afraid of losing their power to Jesus. They were always trying to trap Him into something. They didn't realize they were dealing with God himself. Their hearts were so hardened they didn't know who they were dealing with. The Holy Spirit never touched them because Jesus didn't choose them to bring about His New Covenant. I would have loved to be there to see Jesus deal with that pack of wolves. It would have been a great thing to watch.
 
Can't really blame the religious authorities of that day for what they did. They had by that time of Jesus over a thousand years (by some estimates) of "law, ceremony, rituals" under their belts under the strict dictates of Mosaic Law and the levitical priesthood.

Of course they would question Jesus' authority. They had to under the requirements of the law. So we should not think it strange. The same thing would happen today if the setup was the same.

Jesus Himself advised them that He did not come to abolish or destroy the law. Matt. 5:17-18.
 
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Very early on, Jonathan ben-Uzziel interprets, ‘ Behold the man Messiah’ (of Zechariah 6:12) and so it is said ‘ A man of pains and known to sickness (tying Him to Isaiah 53).” Rabbi Simeon speaking of Isaiah 53 took it even a step further when he said, “…whoever will not admit that Messiah thus suffers for our iniquities, must suffer them for himself…”. While at the beginning of the 2nd century, diaspora Rabbi Jose the Galilean, speaking of Messiah (whom they called ben-Yosef, or son of Joseph), declared that “the Lord has made the iniquity of us all to meet on him“! Note how this is a direct quotation from Isaiah 53? Please also note he is referring to an even earlier tradition. What?

Now read sixteenth century Rabbi Moses Alshekh who once wrote paraphrasing YHVH, “I will do yet a third thing and that is that ‘ they shall look unto me ‘, for they shall lift up their eyes unto me in perfect repentance, when they see him whom they pierced, that is Messiah, son of Joseph; for our Rabbis of blessed memory, have said that he will take upon himself the guilt of Israel, and then shall be slain in the war to make an atonement, in such a manner that it shall be accounted as if Israel had pierced him, for on account of their sin he died, and therefore, in order that it may be reckoned to them as a perfect atonement, they will repent, and look to the Blessed One, saying that there is none besides Him to forgive those that mourn on account of him who died for their sin: this is the meaning of “they shall look upon Me.“ Rabbi Alshekh was following the accepted Talmudic understanding.

So what we discern from this is that they knew of a Messiah figure who would suffer for their sins, but they supposed him to be a political hero, who would die, but they conjectured it would be in a war of some sort. They never made the connection with our Jesus because neither tradition based assumption fit. Blinded by their assumption of authoritative knowledge of such things they could not envision a spiritual war against sin, sickness, and death.

But I like what Gamaliel said in Acts…”And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this council or this work be of men, then it will come to nothing: But if it be of God, you cannot overthrow it; lest haply you be found to be fighting against God” (Acts 5:38-39). And here we still are…we have not "come to nothing”.
 
Actually Chopper you have done a pretty good job on the passage.

400 years before this time all the good guys of Jerusalem were sent out of country. In Ezekiel we learn of those who mourn over the sins of Israel being marked. In Isaiah we learn of the sanctuaries they had out of country.

The leadership of the time period in Matthew would have elected / selected in the flesh.

On the day of Pentecost the good guys hear.

Now if there is interest I can give scriptural references, but it would be better if the Holy Spirit took you through the study.

Mississippi rednecks can't teach anyway. LOL.

eddif
 
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Actually Chopper you have done a pretty good job on the passage.

400 years before this time all the good guys of Jerusalem were sent out of country. In Ezekiel we learn of those who mourn over the sins of Israel being marked. In Isaiah we learn of the sanctuaries they had out of country.

The leadership of the time period in Matthew would have elected / selected in the flesh.

On the day of Pentecost the good guys hear.

Now if there is interest I can give scriptural references, but it would be better if the Holy Spirit took you through the study.

Mississippi rednecks can't teach anyway. LOL.

eddif
Hey, Mississippi Rednecks sure are good folk, in my book. Thank you my friend for your compliment, the Holy Spirit still uses this old Country Dirt Bag of a preacher.

In my morning devotions and intercession for folk in need, I was studying Psalm 78. The fact that God is so long suffering toward the Nation of Israel amazes me to no end. I wonder sometimes if their obedience outweighs their disobedience. I was pondering this portion of Psalms....

Psalm 78:10 "They (Israel) did not keep God's covenant, but refused to walk according to his law.
78:11 They forgot his works and the wonders that he had shown them.
78:12 In the sight of their fathers he performed wonders in the land of Egypt, in the fields of Zoan.
78:13 He divided the sea and let them pass through it, and made the waters stand like a heap.
78:14 In the daytime he led them with a cloud, and all the night with a fiery light.
78:15 He split rocks in the wilderness and gave them drink abundantly as from the deep.
78:16 He made streams come out of the rock and caused waters to flow down like rivers.
78:17 Yet they sinned still more against him, rebelling against the Most High in the desert.
78:18 They tested God in their heart."


As I was pondering these words, it's as if I couldn't really believe that after so many miracles that God poured out on Israel, that they continued to thumb their noses at the God Who was guiding them to the promised Land. I think the thing that surprises me the most is that God continued them to live, putting up with their foolishness, and continue to favor them.

Hey, if that's how God treated Israel in the wilderness, there's hope for a Mississippi Redneck and a Country Dirt Bag Preacher. :sohappy
 
There is no doubt His grace and love are incomprehensible my brother. Dr. J. Vernon Magee once said there will be three surprises in heaven

1. there will be a lot of people there you may have thought would not have made it
2. there will not be people there you would have thought would have made it
3, You will be there

Amen
 
As I was pondering these words, it's as if I couldn't really believe that after so many miracles that God poured out on Israel, that they continued to thumb their noses at the God Who was guiding them to the promised Land. I think the thing that surprises me the most is that God continued them to live, putting up with their foolishness, and continue to favor them.

Yes, it's almost bizarre, how the people of Israel reacted isn't it?

In every way, the people of Israel show us how God deals with the 'natural man.' It's a picture of patience by God, but it's not always pretty picture.

Just like real life.
 
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Ezekiel 9:4 KJV
And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

The grieved were:

I John 1:9 KJV
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Right there in the OT / OC there were those confessing sins (grieving ?).

These went into captivity in a foreign sanctuary till the 400 years were over. The ones left in Jerusalem were arrogant, and were still arrogant when Jesus came.

eddif
 
Looking at Matthew 21:25 KJV
The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?
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John's baptism was a little different than the law's approach to (repentance?).

iI Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land

So
The Law's approach would have been what you did under the Law.
Sackcloth
Ashes
(Pharisees added sad faced)
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But:
The kingdom message is more toward to what Jesus did:

John's message was confess sins and believe in the one who comes after me.
John1:26 KJV
John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.

Or
I John 1:9 KJV
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

No longer man centered..
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The Pharisees reasoned:
So the authority of this John must not be God, as we understand with our traditions. Then you have the background that allows the question the Pharisees asked.
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At this point I must say:
I am an ingrafted Gentile. Gentiles must understand and respect Abraham as the father of Jew and Gentile alike. The law is good (if used lawfully). The Holy Spirit writes the law on new hearts.

eddif
 
Yes, it's almost bizarre, how the people of Israel reacted isn't it?

In every way, the people of Israel show us how God deals with the 'natural man.' It's a picture of patience by God, but it's not always pretty picture.

Just like real life.

Boy are you right. Lately in my Old Covenant studies, I have come to a new appreciation of God's unfailing love for Israel in spite of their stiff neck and rebellion. That makes me want to love Him more and more. It also causes me to not want to sin against Him or grieve Him in any way. God is so good!!
 
I have an idea we facing the old covenant in the destruction of Jerusalem and the approaching new covenant / kingdom with the mourners scattered throughout the nations.
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Probably won't find many wanting to discuss the now present New Jerusalem. Coming down.

The parable of the rich man and Lazarus may apply about now.

eddif