Were Adam and Eve cursed forever?

[Classik]

Were Adam and Eve cursed forever? And/or are we (as the offspring of Adam and Eve) cursed forever?

I have asked this question before (not here), I did not get a satisfactory responce.



Adam and Eve sinned against God. They were separated from God. God cursed both Adam and his wife, Eve.
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Genesis 3 NKJV
Verse 16
To the woman He said: “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you.â€

Verse 17 - 19

17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’: “ Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life.
18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, And you shall eat the herb of the field.
19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.â€

Christ came and reconciled us with the father - and God forgave us. We are justified by faith. Good.

I don't think God:
1. removed the curse on Adam, (man)
2. reversed the labor problem on Eve (women/females)
3. Animals (the females) still suffer labor problems. Did they sin?

It is like the curse remains forever. Is it a permanent curse: (His grace is sufficient unto us). I know Christ has reconciled us with the Father...but labor (females)...hardship etc...Both males and females strive all day to...survive
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can anyone reconcile these? :dunno
Ta!

 

[Asyncritus]

I believe Adam is cursed forever: because of the tremendous contrast between him and Christ.

"By one man sin entered the world..." and it is by the one man by whom sin will leave the world.

By one man came death, by one man came life.

Eve is a different kettle of fish.

In that whole incident, she is the one decent being. She is promised the seed = Christ, she expresses her belief in that fact by naming Cain thus:

1 ¶ And the man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man with the help of the LORD.

The highlighted words are not in the original, and represent the translators' opinion about the intended meaning of the Hebrew word 'eth', which is an untranslatable particle, commonly denoting the object of a verb.

'the LORD' is therefore the object of the phrase, which could quite reasonably be translated 'I have gotten a man even/ namely the LORD'.

If that is correct, and I can't insist on it, then she is saying that she has begotten the Messiah who would bruise the head of the serpent.

If that is so, then she is expressing her faith in the promise of God who would send the Messiah to save her from her sins.

So I see her as being in the kingdom of God, but not Adam.

In the Bible Study section, you will find a couple of articles of mine on the subject of the temptation in the garden. I wouldn't know how to find them, but perhaps you would.

 

[Classik]

Thanks, Asyncritus, you've given a detailed one here
However, I wonder why the problem of childbearing is still there. Pregnancy and birth is usually a matter of life and death. I have never known a case of 'painless delivery' (except one case where a woman gave birth to a baby without bleeding - and we were all surprised...I call it, 'miracle') in females. Even animals suffer a lot here. Men suffer to live - we all suffer: our males suffer; our females suffer. Has Christ reconciled us with God? Yes: through John 3:16. Are the curses on Adam and Eve reversed in man?:dunno
This is where my problem is

 

[savedbygrace57]

Were Adam and Eve cursed forever?

God forbid ! God announced through them, as their seed, the Saviour would come Gen 3:15

<SUP>15</SUP>And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Also, even after their Fall God showed His Merciful support of the m by giving them a covering to hide their nakedness as prefiguring Christ's imputed righteousness !

Also, Adam by Faith, called His wife Eve, the Mother of all Living Gen 3:20

Genesis 3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

This is significant to say in light of the consequences of their sin was death !

But God is not the God of the dead, but of the Living Matt 22:32

I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

 

[Classik]

Thank you all for your inputs. Actually, I was specifically refering to these:

Genesis 3 NKJV
Verse 16
To the woman He said: “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you.â€

Verse 17 - 19

17 ... “ Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life.
18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, And you shall eat the herb of the field.
19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.â€

Did the death of Christ reverse the curse of trvail in women (or is the verse talking about a different issue)?
How about our daily toils - Adam
(Sorry, if I've you headache on these)

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Were Adam and Eve cursed forever?

No. The curse on human flesh ends at death:

"17...all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground..."
(Genesis 3:17-19 NIV1984)

And/or are we (as the offspring of Adam and Eve) cursed forever?

We also will be released from the labors of the flesh when we die. This is what it means to 'rest with our fathers', who have entered into their physical rest from the body ahead of us. As laborers in this life we long for the shadows of night (death) when we can rest.

1 “Does not man have hard service on earth?
Are not his days like those of a hired man?
2 Like a slave longing for the evening shadows,
or a hired man waiting eagerly for his wages...
(Job 7:1-2 NIV1984)

I don't think God:
1. removed the curse on Adam, (man)
2. reversed the labor problem on Eve (women/females)
3. Animals (the females) still suffer labor problems. Did they sin?

It is like the curse remains forever. Is it a permanent curse: (His grace is sufficient unto us). I know Christ has reconciled us with the Father...but labor (females)...hardship etc...Both males and females strive all day to...survive
+++Ta!

Permanent? No.

The "renewal of all things" (Matthew 19:28 NIV1984) is coming and the cycle of man's pains and labors will end:

"1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

5 He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

(Revelation 21:1-5 NIV1984)


This is the hope we who have fled this order of things are patiently waiting to be fulfilled. In Christ the curse is removed forever. Life will come forth from us with ease. Our fields will flourish with crops that give life as we enjoy perfect communion and fellowship with our God just as it was in the beginning. But this time we will have been tested and tried and made worthy to possess a kingdom of righteousness where no evil thing is allowed to dwell.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Did the death of Christ reverse the curse of trvail in women (or is the verse talking about a different issue)?
How about our daily toils - Adam

If by 'forever' you mean this life, then 'no', that curse is not reversed.

You'll get a lot more out of the Genesis account when you understand that the labor that is now difficult for men and women because of Adam and Eve's disobedience is the labor of bringing forth the image of Christ and producing crops of righteousness from our bodies, the dust of the earth.

The consequence, or curse, brought into the world through the fall, is that man's labor to bring forth righteousness from the 'dust of the earth' is now very hard. Because of disobedience, and sin now being in the world, we have to deal with hearts that have been separated from the blessings and favor of God and unable to bring forth fruit and life easily. But those in Christ have the promise of complete restoration in the New Order of things.

 

[reba]

We stop having kids at some point! sheesh

and NO the Cross of Christ did not stop the pain of childbirth. It took 2 times for me to learn that! :p

They were never in the garden again the angle was posted at the gate.... Mankind still labours.

When we are in Him the more we are in Him the less the curse is... We can find His Joy in the labour, His Joy in childbirth. The closer we are to Him the less the cares (curse) of this world matters... I believe this is something we all know just from looking at our lives... Kinda like the "Footprints in the Sand" poem...

 

[for_his_glory]

Gen 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Gen 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

I am only going by these three verses to show we have been cursed from the beginning of Adam until the time of our physical death here on earth as before Adam and Eve sinned and caused the curse God had provided everything they needed to sustain their life as all they needed was food as clothing and shelter were not a necessity since they did not know they were naked and I don't think it ever rained before the flood as in Genesis 2:5,6 God sent up a midst of the ground to water all the plants and provided streams of water for drinking and bathing so I feel there would be no cause to have shelter from the elements of the sky as we have today.

 

[D4Christ]

Thank you all for your inputs. Actually, I was specifically refering to these:

Did the death of Christ reverse the curse of trvail in women (or is the verse talking about a different issue)?
How about our daily toils - Adam
(Sorry, if I've you headache on these)

It would seem that you have answered your own question. When Christ died did women continue to have painful labor? Yes. And despite all of our modern technology, if man did not toil the ground we would have no crops and would not eat. Christ death had no effect on how hard men must work to produce food or how women give birth. In this sense, the edict in the garden still stands to this day.

However, Adam and Eve, even though they existed before Christ (the man), they had the same oppportunity for salvation as well all do who were fortunate enough to be born after his death. If they accepted this gift they are heirs to the Kingdom same as we.

2cents,
Dee

 

[savedbygrace57]

The scripture never stated that Adam and Eve were ever cursed. It says the ground was cursed Gen 3:17

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

 

[Classik]

The scripture never stated that Adam and Eve were ever cursed. It says the ground was cursed Gen 3:17

And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

Yes: they were cursed - directly or indirectly.
...in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life...

 

[Ace1234]

What I find interesting is many believe they were cursed in that they would now die, implying before the fall they wouldn't. However, we know a tree of life existed in the garden that they never ate of, so that implies that even before the fall they would eventually die. After the fall they were banned and God protected the tree of life so they couldn't eat of it and live forever in a failed human state. Strange, before the fall God never stated they couldn't eat of the tree of life, wondered why they didn't, obvious Satan isn't so smart or he would've had them eat from the tree of life, before they ate of the tree of knowledge.

 

[Classik]

Strange, before the fall God never stated they couldn't eat of the tree of life, wondered why they didn't, obvious Satan isn't so smart or he would've had them eat from the tree of life, before they ate of the tree of knowledge.

Satan was uneducated - he lost his wisdom after his sin...so, he remains a moron.

 

[savedbygrace57]

clas

Yes: they were cursed

No they were not ! The ground was cursed.

 

[savedbygrace57]

God never cursed them, in fact He pronounced them Blessed by Him..

Gen 5:2

Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

No one can provide one scripture that states God cursed Adam and Eve, that is pure fiction and fable..

 

[Webers_Home]

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we know a tree of life existed in the garden that they never ate of

We assume they never ate of the tree because there is no record of their eating it; which reminds me of one of my favorite illogical arguments; which is called Argument From Silence; viz: a kind of logic that, in essence; concludes that if something isn't clearly stated, then it's inferred from the silence that there was nothing to state. Following that kind of logic could lead one to believe that Adam never tried hopping around on one foot and/or thumbing his nose simply because the Bible doesn't say he did.

many believe they were cursed in that they would now die, implying before the fall they wouldn't

Adam was an air-breathing creature; ergo: smother him, and he would die.

In reality, the tree does but two things: 1) prevents the aging process, and 2) cures disease. In point of fact, Rev 22:2 depicts the tree as a medicine rather than a source of eternal life.
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The tree is best described as an elixir; which Webster's defines as: a substance held capable of prolonging life indefinitely. In other words: Adam couldn't get by on just one serving from the tree. No, I believe he had to supplement his diet with something from the tree on a regular basis, possibly even daily, if he wished to remain forever 21.

Satan isn't so smart or he would've had them eat from the tree of life, before they ate of the tree of knowledge.

I think Mr. Serpent somehow knew that one serving of the tree does not suffice; viz: he knew that man needs to eat of the tree of life on a regular basis in order to prevent himself dying of natural causes.

Personally, I believe the Serpent's goal was not to keep Adam in a perpetually fallen state; but to induce him to fear death.

†. Job 2:4 . . Satan answered Yhvh and said: Skin for skin; yes, all that a man has he will give for his life.

The fear of death makes homo sapiens easy to manipulate.

†. Heb 2:14-16 . . Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death— that is: the Devil —and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

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[Webers_Home]

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I think Bible students oftentimes get a little too hung up on their own choice of words; e.g. if they don't see the word "curse" in a text, they assume the object of a death sentence wasn't cursed. But in my mind's eye, a death sentence easily qualifies as a curse even though it isn't specifically labeled as one.
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FYI : one of Webster's definitions of a curse is: to bring great evil upon; viz: afflict
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[savedbygrace57]

Adam and Eve had it revealed to them, that the Messiah would come through them according to the flesh. Gen 3:15

<SUP>15</SUP>And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

They were the Mother and Father of all Living Gen 3:20

<SUP id=en-KJV-76 class=versenum>20</SUP>And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

God provided them coat skins which was a type of being clothed in Christ's Righteousness vs 21

<SUP id=en-KJV-77 class=versenum>21</SUP>Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

This also showed the Divine Care and Mercy He had for them..They were not cursed by a long shot, not one scripture says that !

 

[Jethro Bodine]

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I think Bible students oftentimes get a little too hung up on their own choice of words; e.g. if they don't see the word "curse" in a text, they assume the object of a death sentence wasn't cursed. But in my mind's eye, a death sentence easily qualifies as a curse even though it isn't specifically labeled as one.
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Or as I like to understand a curse:

The absence of God's blessing, or to be removed from God's blessing to one degree or another.

This seems to be a good Biblical definition of what it means to be cursed that takes the hocus pocus out of the phrase. Adam and Eve were most certainly removed from God's Blessings and favor.