[__ Science __ ] Were the Pyramids Built Before the Flood?

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When were pyramids built? Did they survive the Flood? How should we understand Egyptian chronology?

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[Cygnus]

When were pyramids built? Did they survive the Flood? How should we understand Egyptian chronology?

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I believe the pyramids were post flood.

The question is when were they built? There is two biblical ages we can arrive at. One is using the ages presented in the Masoretic text while a second age can be seen in the Septuagint LXX translation.

the Masoretic text puts it this way
Gen 11:12 When Arphaxad was 35 years old, he became the father of Shelah. 13 And after he had become the father of Shelah, Arphaxad lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.d

14 When Shelah was 30 years old, he became the father of Eber. 15 And after he had become the father of Eber, Shelah lived 403 years and had other sons and daughters.

16 When Eber was 34 years old, he became the father of Peleg. 17 And after he had become the father of Peleg, Eber lived 430 years and had other sons and daughters.

18 When Peleg was 30 years old, he became the father of Reu. 19 And after he had become the father of Reu, Peleg lived 209 years and had other sons and daughters.

20 When Reu was 32 years old, he became the father of Serug. 21 And after he had become the father of Serug, Reu lived 207 years and had other sons and daughters.

22 When Serug was 30 years old, he became the father of Nahor. 23 And after he had become the father of Nahor, Serug lived 200 years and had other sons and daughters.

24 When Nahor was 29 years old, he became the father of Terah. 25 And after he had become the father of Terah, Nahor lived 119 years and had other sons and daughters.

The Septuagint translations include an extra 100 years to each of the begetting ages. This gives an extra 700 years for the pyramids to be build as well as allowing for a larger population.

That is Arphaxad was 135 years old
Kainan not in the Masoretic text was 130 years old.
Shelah was 130 years old
Eber was 134 years old
Peleg was 130 years old
Reu was 132 years old
Serug was 130 years old

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[Truthfrees]

When were pyramids built? Did they survive the Flood? How should we understand Egyptian chronology?

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great article - thank you

 

[Barbarian]

The oldest true pyramid, the step pyramid of Djoser, was built about 4700 years ago. It's not even close to the oldest monumental structure built by man.

There is evidence for a great regional flood in the Middle East, about 9,000 years ago. So they were built after the flood, assuming a literal flood.

 

[Cygnus]

The oldest true pyramid, the step pyramid of Djoser, was built about 4700 years ago. It's not even close to the oldest monumental structure built by man.

There is evidence for a great regional flood in the Middle East, about 9,000 years ago. So they were built after the flood, assuming a literal flood.

Say what you want...I'll stick with what the Bible says. You can walk away from the Bible if you choose.

 

[Cygnus]

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[Barbarian]

Say what you want...I'll stick with what the Bible says.

What it doesn't say, is "the Earth is 6,000 years old." Over 10,000 years ago, the descendants of Adam and Eve were building Jericho.

You can walk away from the Bible if you choose.

 

[Link1983]

What it doesn't say, is "the Earth is 6,000 years old." Over 10,000 years ago, the descendants of Adam and Eve were building Jericho.

You can walk away from the Bible if you choose.

Might be true.. don't condemn but help!

 

[Cygnus]

What it doesn't say, is "the Earth is 6,000 years old." Over 10,000 years ago, the descendants of Adam and Eve were building Jericho.

You can walk away from the Bible if you choose.

If you add up the dates that'd about what you get.

The Bible doesn't say the earth is 4.5 billionn years old.

 

[Barbarian]

If you add up the dates that'd about what you get.

Requres some assumptions not in scripture. And it requires revising Genesis to convert "yom" to literal days. Which the text itself rules out.

We know Jericho was being settled 4,000 years before the the revised date of 6,000 years.

 

[Cygnus]

Requres some assumptions not in scripture. And it requires revising Genesis to convert "yom" to literal days. Which the text itself rules out.

We know Jericho was being settled 4,000 years before the the revised date of 6,000 years.

No, yom in Gen 1 refers to a 24 hour long day. We can know this because the days are bracketed by evening and morning...what the old earthers do is convert evening and morning into something that really isn't evening and morning. then again you already knew that.

Even the 10 commandments confirm the days are 24 hour long periods of time. There is no coversion from long periods of time to days in the 10 commandments.

When Genesis is made into a fable the meaning is lost. For some salvation is also lost as it discards the biblical notion of the fall of Adam and our sin nature as well as the need of salvation.

 

[Barbarian]

No, yom in Gen 1 refers to a 24 hour long day. We can know this because the days are bracketed by evening and morning...

This is how the text tells us they are not literal days. As ancient Christians noted, it's absurd to talk about mornings and evenings before there was a sun to have them. The text itself says it's literal. When Genesis is made into a literal fable the meaning is lost. Fortunately, God doesn't judge you by how you see His creation having been done. Even if you believe it's a literal history, it won't endanger your salvation.

As you might know, allegories are used in scripture about real people and events. St. Paul mentions this with regard to Abraham, who was a real person.

The Ten Commandments do not say the yom of Genesis were literal days. It merely repeats the allegory. Repeating an allegory does not covert it to a literal history.

So the fact of people building Jericho 10,000 years ago is not a problem for Scripture. It's a problem for some modern interpretations of scripture, but that isn't God's problem.

 

[Cygnus]

This is how the text tells us they are not literal days. As ancient Christians noted, it's absurd to talk about mornings and evenings before there was a sun to have them. The text itself says it's literal. When Genesis is made into a literal fable the meaning is lost. Fortunately, God doesn't judge you by how you see His creation having been done. Even if you believe it's a literal history, it won't endanger your salvation.

As you might know, allegories are used in scripture about real people and events. St. Paul mentions this with regard to Abraham, who was a real person.

The Ten Commandments do not say the yom of Genesis were literal days. It merely repeats the allegory. Repeating an allegory does not covert it to a literal history.

So the fact of people building Jericho 10,000 years ago is not a problem for Scripture. It's a problem for some modern interpretations of scripture, but that isn't God's problem.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,”a and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5God called the light “day,” and the darkness He called “night.”

And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day

You don't need the sun for day one.

The Genesis account presented all through out the Bible is presented as literal.

 

[Barbarian]

You don't need the sun for day one.

Words mean things. Morning is when the sun appears. Evening is when it sets. Once you let words mean whatever you want, any story is equally plausible. This is how we know the text itself rules out literal days.

 

[Cygnus]

Words mean things. Morning is when the sun appears. Evening is when it sets. Once you let words mean whatever you want, any story is equally plausible. This is how we know the text itself rules out literal days.

If that's your opionin, fine....then that secures the idea of a literal 24 hour long period of time.

Sunrise..and then sun set...it all happens is a 24 hour long time span. Especially from day 4 and on after the sun was made.

Sounds like your now saying day 4 and on were 24 hours long while days 1-3 were longer. That's improvement!!!

 

[Barbarian]

If that's your opionin, fine....

It's what the words mean. If they don't mean for you, what they mean to other people, you're going to have some communications problems.

Sounds like your now saying day 4 and on were 24 hours long while days 1-3 were longer. That's improvement!!!

No, the text itself tells us that they are not literal days, but categories of creation, as Christians knew long before we had scientific evidence showing us that.

St. Augustine, for example pointed this out.

 

[Cygnus]

It's what the words mean. If they don't mean for you, what they mean to other people, you're going to have some communications problems.



No, the text itself tells us that they are not literal days, but categories of creation, as Christians knew long before we had scientific evidence showing us that.

St. Augustine, for example pointed this out.

What ever Barb.