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Does anybody on this web page give merit to the idealogy that ; in the Day of Judgment it will not be God judging mankind but mankind judging God?
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Ruben said:
On what basis do you ask this question?
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On the basis that the beginning of this controversy was when Lucifer proclaimed that he (Lucifer) could rule the universe better than the Creator. The final declaration on judgment day will either proclaim God rightfully the ruler of the universe for ever or not. Who is better in the position to judge God than those who have experienced this life and too have gained the knowledge of good and evil?
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Ruben said:
Ruben,
Do you really feel like you are qualified to sit in judgment over God? (Keeping in mind that something bad happens to those who attempt to exalt themselves above the Creator of the heavens and the earth.)
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Gabby,
Now just exactly what do you mean as qualified? If you are asking if I deem myself a worthy participant in this experiment of Satan's then yes I am qualified, as qualified as you or anyone is in proclaiming what it is like to be you here on this planet under these conditions.
If you are asking if I am greater than my Creator then no, never.
The worse thing to happen to someone that attempts to exalt themselves above the Creator is to find out they are wrong.
Now just exactly what do you mean as qualified? If you are asking if I deem myself a worthy participant in this experiment of Satan's then yes I am qualified, as qualified as you or anyone is in proclaiming what it is like to be you here on this planet under these conditions.
If you are asking if I am greater than my Creator then no, never.
The worse thing to happen to someone that attempts to exalt themselves above the Creator is to find out they are wrong.
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Ruben,
Have you ever read the Bible? None of your theories line up with anything in Scripture.
You see, God is the judge. Period.
What you are suggesting would be as if, here on earth, you had been accused of a crime, and were standing before a judge in a court room, then asked the judge "Who do you think you are?"
As far as any experiments that you think the devil is playing with, (ie: taking over the world)...well, he lost already. When Jesus Christ paid for our sin on the cross, then rose from the dead. We have since entered into the time that happens in every court case. The time in between when the defendant is found guilty and the time that the sentence is passed.
The only judgement that you need to be concerned with now has to do with your making peace with the judge. You can do that by accepting Jesus Christ as your Saviour. To do that, first you need to understand that you are guilty of sin (we all are), next is to repent of it (telling God that you were wrong for your sin, are sorry for it and wish that it never happened).
The next step is to ask God to forgive you for your sin, and that you believe that He gave His Son to pay the price for your sin. Ask Jesus to come into your heart and be Lord of your life. When you do this, you become born again. (See John chapter 3).
Ruben, I will be praying for you.
Have you ever read the Bible? None of your theories line up with anything in Scripture.
You see, God is the judge. Period.
What you are suggesting would be as if, here on earth, you had been accused of a crime, and were standing before a judge in a court room, then asked the judge "Who do you think you are?"
As far as any experiments that you think the devil is playing with, (ie: taking over the world)...well, he lost already. When Jesus Christ paid for our sin on the cross, then rose from the dead. We have since entered into the time that happens in every court case. The time in between when the defendant is found guilty and the time that the sentence is passed.
The only judgement that you need to be concerned with now has to do with your making peace with the judge. You can do that by accepting Jesus Christ as your Saviour. To do that, first you need to understand that you are guilty of sin (we all are), next is to repent of it (telling God that you were wrong for your sin, are sorry for it and wish that it never happened).
The next step is to ask God to forgive you for your sin, and that you believe that He gave His Son to pay the price for your sin. Ask Jesus to come into your heart and be Lord of your life. When you do this, you become born again. (See John chapter 3).
Ruben, I will be praying for you.
Actually, Ruben, the whole idea behind your suggestion is sort of supported. I'm not saying that God is going to be judged. God is still going to judge humanity, but God the Father has given judgment to the Son because the Son of God became flesh and was also the Son of Man. Afterall, who is best qualified to judge humanity than someone who has lived a human life? Therefore, the Son of Man who is also God will judge mankind. Read John 5:26-27. God is truly just.
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Gabby,
What you write is correct in accordance to what has been derived from the Scriptures. This is central to most Protestant doctrine. But in order to follow these dictates one must believe in the integrity of the whole Bible as the infallible truth. I do not.
If the depiction of Jehovah fails to portray the character of Christ among men then is it really the God of heaven? How many times did Jesus tell those around Him that ‘if they want to know the Father then know Me’?
I suggest you try this and see what is discernably accurate and what is questionable when it is declared to be the word of God.
What you write is correct in accordance to what has been derived from the Scriptures. This is central to most Protestant doctrine. But in order to follow these dictates one must believe in the integrity of the whole Bible as the infallible truth. I do not.
If the depiction of Jehovah fails to portray the character of Christ among men then is it really the God of heaven? How many times did Jesus tell those around Him that ‘if they want to know the Father then know Me’?
I suggest you try this and see what is discernably accurate and what is questionable when it is declared to be the word of God.
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Ruben said:
I'm not christian. However, my understanding of the christian belief is that god is the creator of the universe and he is omnipotent. If this is true the wouldn't you think it wouldn't make a lick of difference what humans and your devil think?
Humans: "We like the devil! The devil will be our new leader!"
God: "umm, no. How about I just wipe you all from the face of existance then? You know, BECAUSE I CAN!!"
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Romans 14:10-12
You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. It is written:
" 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
'every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.' "So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
If thats no clear enough for you this should be...
Dueteronomy 1:17 b
"Do not be afraid of any man, for judgement belongs to God"
You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat. It is written:
" 'As surely as I live,' says the Lord,
'every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will confess to God.' "So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.
If thats no clear enough for you this should be...
Dueteronomy 1:17 b
"Do not be afraid of any man, for judgement belongs to God"
Ruben said:
Ruben, please think about your past experiences in this life and be very honest about your answer.
Have you ever at any time in your life been in a situation in which you found yourself in total desperation of a situation found yourself calling out to God in some way or another for help. Regardless of if you found a solution to that particular situation or not, have you ever found thoughts or words of yours which were pleaded out to God, some higher power, in search of a rescue from out of that situation, in some way or another?
If you have never asked for help in one form or another, you have never been witness to the mercy of God which comes from out of judgment. However, the final judgment is the one in which we all must be prepared for. It is one in which, if we hold onto our own stubborness, does not allow a place for His mercy.
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jgredline said:
Perhaps out of inconsistancies. For example, an omnipotent and ever present god, who created adam and eve in his image and be perfect, not knowing of sin, he couldn't keep track of just the two of them when they ate the apple (now he can keep track of 7 billion of us). As well as (going off the top of my head here) if they didn't know right from wrong till they ate from the tree of knowledge, how could they have known eating it was wrong?
Or lets take the commandmant "thou shalt not kill". Wouldn't it have been better said "thou shalt not kill other jews". Just ask the caananites about that one.
Ruben said:
Lots of people have lots of different ideas about a single faith. If that weren't true there would only be one type of christian, and if the faith were infallible there would be only one type of faith. Ruben's entitled to his opinion.
Is it ok to love god, just not in the mainstream way? I say it is.
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Ruben said:
Being wrong on this issue comes at a high price.
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
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Ruben said:
Isa 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
Isa 45:9 Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! [Let] the potsherd [strive] with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?
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Ruben said:
Aaaah. I know The Father. I have a relationship with Him. I know the Scriptures to be true, and I know Jesus Christ is Lord. Remember, you are in a Christian forum. It won't be possible for you to convince someone who knows God of anything other than the truth.
What I am trying to do is figure out where you are coming from so that I can reach out to you and get you going in the right direction. That is your goal, is it not? Or are you here to preach a different gospel?
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CuriousAgnostic said:
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
