What believing means

[Roro1972]

When the people of God didn't listen to God at the mountain, God handed down the Law in stone. Abraham was before that and considered a for runner of things to come. You will note that Jesus said that God was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and so they were still in communion with God. Note that Jesus, before the cross, gave an account about a rich man that died and was suffering and who looked across a space to Abraham and asked Abraham to send Lazarus down to give him water. Jesus was explaining all this because there was a poor understanding, and that correction to those who studied the Scriptures.

In the Law, it was necessary to make a sacrifice to put the people right with God. Jesus became that sacrifice, at the cross. The curtain to Holy of Holies was torn. So what is to keep you out, spiritually speaking. Well, to enter means death if you are not right with God. But spiritually speaking we all need to die to ourselves, and let the Lord be Lord of our lives. That is to say we all need to listen to Him and do what He says. This was possible at the time of Moses. God spoke to the people from the mountain, but they said let not God speak to us. It was possible at the time of the prophets, because God commanded it through the prophets, but the people did not listen. And it was possible in the New Testament accounts before Jesus went to the cross. Anna and Simeon both new Jesus was the Christ though He was just a child and not in His ministry yet.

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob all knew God and heard from Him thought they did not have the Scripture. His people at the mountain refused to hear from Him, though they had seen the power of God. So the Law was handed down with provisions, but they were never going to be able to follow it. God knew that. That is why He did it. It allowed the people (Us) to see this and should have focused us back on the relationship Abraham had with God. Jesus fulfilled the Law as the perfect lamb. So will we now listen to Him speaking, or will we continue to say, "Let not God speak to us" in our heart and depend on our being able to follow the Scriptures?

Gal 3:21,22 Is the Law contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if the law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on the law. But the Scriptures has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

The Galatians, after the cross, were going back to the law not realizing that the Scriptures has shut up everyone under sin, and forgetting the promise by faith in Jesus Christ.

Now let me address: Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

What does confessing Jesus Christ is your Lord mean? Confessing it is not the same as just saying it. Confessing it means that you are testifying that Jesus Christ is your Lord, as in He gives you instructions as your Lord which you follow because He is your Lord. And if raised from the dead, it does not mean He left you a book of instructions, but rather is talking to you and giving you those instructions personally.

I have seen people that say Jesus Christ is Lord, but if asked what instructions He gave them, they can just point to the Bible. Therefore they are still making Him out to be dead and not alive. Or if He is alive, He is in some far off place called Heaven and can't be heard from at this time, so as to get instructions from Him personally. That is what Romans 10 covers. It is a great chapter in the Bible to cover, but it you are like the people at the mountain who refused to listen to Him, even though He was trying to talk to them, then you are going to turn allsorts of things around to try and justify your note listening to the living Word of God, Jesus Christ. You might say He is Lord, but you are not confessing you are doing things because He (your Lord) told you to do them.

Thanks for the time you put into this post. I agree with 99 percent of it. I failed to see the answer to my question though.

 

[K2CHRIST]

Telling people I have lied is a personal sap across the face and that is not allowed here. l do not consider anyone that spins what I or the Bible says. I realized before you ever demonstrated it that you had to be a spin doctor to believe as you do but answer my replies with honesty ad do not defame yourself by attacking the Scripture's Contextual Truth.

You jerk scriptures out of their context to rape them and to prove you're point and that is horrible! Anything can be, falsely, established with scripture if you are selective with the single verses you use. But a Wise Man does not treat the Word of God lightly.

Lied? I pointed out that your verse did not match your conclusion. And I pointed out that you are substituting the Bible for our Lord Jesus Christ. I pointed out that it seems you are searching the Scriptures thinking in them you have eternal life, but lied? I have not noted that you have lied. I have seen where you like to throw out all sorts of accusation though.

My desire is that you start seeking the Lord and His voice. It will make a big difference in your life. You won't call people "Jerks", "Heretics", and you will also understand that I am not attacking the Scripture, but point people to the Lord Jesus Christ like the Scriptures also do. Jesus Christ is the Truth. Your concern for the Scriptures being the "Contextual Truth" is another example of substituting the Scriptures for the Lord Jesus Christ. That does not mean we shouldn't study the Scriptures, or that they are not accurate, but rather that if you are trying to make the Scriptures the "Contextual Truth" it is because you are zealous for them and not Him.

Rm 10:2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.

I am very zealous for Jesus Christ. He is awesome. I love talking to Him and He does and says great things. Yet some are and have been zealous for God but not because they know Him. They are zealous for the things of God instead of God.

 

[K2CHRIST]

This verse defines:
- what faith is
- what it is to believe
and also
- 2 names of the One to believe, inferred but not written in the text (see Isa 53:10-11, Isa 62:11)

This verse also has 8 verbs:
- 2 which relate to actions of God
- 5 which relate to actions of man
and also
- 1 which inferred by Greek grammar, but not written in the text

Heb 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please God. For it is right that the one drawing near to God should believe that He is, and that He becomes a rewarder to the ones seeking Him out."

I loved this post

Sometimes, during my conversations with Him I ask Him for things. Friday I was at my church and a place of prayer I was supervising at the time. I looked at our Baptismal which is a little pool with a fountain, but the fountain was off. I like it when the fountain is running. It just looks so much better. And I was thinking about my son and a little soccer team he had. They were about to have their first tournament, but is was supposed to be hot and sunny. It was supposed to be 102, which just seemed too hot. So after praying in tongues a bit, I asked the Lord if perhaps He might get the fountain turned on. And then I asked Him if perhaps He could make it a little cooler for the kids. Perhaps He could bring over a few clouds? He is still God and it is His will that's important. I noted that and just told that I was just asking.

I had just finished asking Him about the weather and looking out side I saw the fountain was already on. Wow, that was fast. And at the tournament Saturday at about 2, when it should have been getting to it's hottest temperature, clouds suddenly came over with a nice little breeze. It only got to 98, and that with cloud cover and a little breeze. There game started at 2:30 and it was kind of nice.

I hear him quite a bit, but He had not told me anything about my request. It was just a nice surprise that I suspect nobody but me knew exactly why it happened. People - unless you get to know Him, you are going to miss it when He is doing these nice things for people.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Lied? I pointed out that your verse did not match your conclusion.

And here you lie once more, giving zero support for our false claim and pretending you are equal to Father God Himself.

And I pointed out that you are substituting the Bible for our Lord Jesus Christ. Lied?

Yes and you did it once more here for I have done nothing of the sort. Since there is no place for liars in Heaven, you need to stop this insanity while there is time to repent of it and to be saved. Everyone notices you do not point to any of my printed text when you tell these lies and I and I'm sure most of us know that is because I never said nor indicated that any of your assertions are true. You are a troll and need to be banned.

I pointed out that your verse did not match your conclusion.

And you do not back your conclusion with anything but rather you act like you are God Lied? I pointed out that your verse did not match your conclusion. And I pointed out that you are substituting the Bible for our Lord Jesus Christ. I pointed out that it seems you are searching the Scriptures thinking in them you have eternal life, but lied? I have not noted that you have lied. I have seen where you like to throw out all sorts of accusation though.and just condemn me to hell for Idol Worship.

And I pointed out that you are substituting the Bible for our Lord Jesus Christ.

Which is a straight up lie, a very false accusation and another instance of your god-complex! You jumped to this astounding conclusion without and investigation, what-so-ever, god like!

I pointed out that it seems you are searching the Scriptures thinking in them you have eternal life, but liesd? I have not noted that you have lied.

I indicated nothing of the sort, that's one more unreferenced lie and when you lie, you are asserting I lied!

I have seen where you like to throw out all sorts of accusation though

The only person throwing out accusations is you, young man! And you need to be trashed.

[quote}I pointed out that it seems you are searching the Scriptures thinking in them you have eternal life, but lied?

Yes, you are jerking scriptures out of their context, jamming them together and performing Spiritual Rape on the message our Saviour delivered when they nailed Him to the cross.

I have not noted that you have lied. I have seen where you like to throw out all sorts of accusation though.

 

[K2CHRIST]

Thanks for the time you put into this post. I agree with 99 percent of it. I failed to see the answer to my question though.

I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear enough. Perhaps this will help.

Gal 3:17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.

That is how Paul answered that question. His short answer is probably a lot better than my long one. Jesus Christ is the Word of God, because He has the words of God. The promise is Him; which is to say we can hear the words of God just like Abraham, without regards to fulfilling the Law, which came after Abraham. So the covenant previously ratified with Abraham, who heard from the Lord without regard for the Law, is for all now.

I still don't know if that made it clear. Paul explained it, but was that clear. Sometimes we just make things too complicated. Abraham and God were friends. They talked, they made agreements to each other. There were friends! Make it like that with you and Him and it will all be clearer. You will be friends, and He will never leave you and will help you. You will do things for Him like He asks, because your are friends. And if you mess something up, well you and He are friends aren't you, so friends understand. And friends talk to each other. Concern yourself with that, and the rest just takes care of itself.

 

[K2CHRIST]

And here you lie once more, giving zero support for our false claim and pretending you are equal to Father God Himself.



Yes and you did it once more here for I have done nothing of the sort. Since there is no place for liars in Heaven, you need to stop this insanity while there is time to repent of it and to be saved. Everyone notices you do not point to any of my printed text when you tell these lies and I and I'm sure most of us know that is because I never said nor indicated that any of your assertions are true. You are a troll and need to be banned.



And you do not back your conclusion with anything but rather you act like you are God Lied? I pointed out that your verse did not match your conclusion. And I pointed out that you are substituting the Bible for our Lord Jesus Christ. I pointed out that it seems you are searching the Scriptures thinking in them you have eternal life, but lied? I have not noted that you have lied. I have seen where you like to throw out all sorts of accusation though.and just condemn me to hell for Idol Worship.



Which is a straight up lie, a very false accusation and another instance of your god-complex! You jumped to this astounding conclusion without and investigation, what-so-ever, god like!



I indicated nothing of the sort, that's one more unreferenced lie and when you lie, you are asserting I lied!

Well, you just keep leaning on your understanding of the Scriptures and maybe it will work out ok for you

 

[Roro1972]

I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear enough. Perhaps this will help.

Gal 3:17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.

That is how Paul answered that question. His short answer is probably a lot better than my long one. Jesus Christ is the Word of God, because He has the words of God. The promise is Him; which is to say we can hear the words of God just like Abraham, without regards to fulfilling the Law, which came after Abraham. So the covenant previously ratified with Abraham, who heard from the Lord without regard for the Law, is for all now.

I still don't know if that made it clear. Paul explained it, but was that clear. Sometimes we just make things too complicated. Abraham and God were friends. They talked, they made agreements to each other. There were friends! Make it like that with you and Him and it will all be clearer. You will be friends, and He will never leave you and will help you. You will do things for Him like He asks, because your are friends. And if you mess something up, well you and He are friends aren't you, so friends understand. And friends talk to each other. Concern yourself with that, and the rest just takes care of itself.

much more clear. Although I do not agree with most of this post.

 

[K2CHRIST]

I was talking to the Lord about someone posting on this forum. He starting telling me that "We shouldn't have a shadow of doubt" It was a phrase I have heard before, but I had never connected to Him before.

He started going over about how doubt is the opposite of faith. He noted that a shadow is kind of like a reflection of the dark side of us. And that we battle with dark forces. Our doubting (not having faith) casts a shadow or darkness on other people. We should not have a shadow of doubt. We should not cast doubt on people, but faith.

Jesus Christ really is there and available to get to know. You can really seek His voice and hear from Him. There will be some casting doubt on that, but that is not what we are doing. You will want to test the spirits, but it is not the Spirit of God that cast doubt on you.

 

[K2CHRIST]

much more clear. Although I do not agree with most of this post.

Ok, what do you not agree with?