What church do you attend?

[evanman]

The church I regularly attend, and am a member of, is an Evangelical Lutheran Church. We're currently adressing, questioning, and creating our policy for gay people.

I'm only a Lutheran in a very broad sense. In reality, I'm trans-denominational (not non-denominational!). I'm a Lutheran - Episcopal - United Church of Christ - Vatican III Catholic type hybrid. Yes, I know, there isn't a Vatican III yet. But there should be. And I anticipate there will be. Hmm, perhaps 'progressive Catholic' states it better.

Isn't the Bible's policy towards sinners enough?

Like all other forms of sin sodomy must be repented of and the sodomite must cease from practicing sin. Refusal to obey the gospel will keep a person out of fellowship.

 

[paxigoth7]

Oh, I see, I go to all the pro gay churches that want to extend Jesus' love and acceptance to gay people...

Well, I guess we've established why I go to more than one 'denomination' and why my choice of where to attend church isn't accepted.

I'm not sure what to do with you post about sodomy because I'm not sure we define and/or understand sodomy in the same way.

 

[Henry]

paxigoth7

Pro-gay church? What is next the pro-murder Church? Or the pro-audultry Church?

To extend the Love of Jesus is not to accept sin as though it is not sin, that is not love at all. The love of Jesus is that which exposes sin. Jesus died for sin that we can be free of it, not that we escuse it.


A pro-gay church is not a Churh of the living God.

said--sodomy because I'm not sure we define and/or understand sodomy in the same way.


Ok lets see, a man put his penus in someones anus. Is that simple enough definition for you.

 

[paxigoth7]

There are many church congregations of God that are welcoming and affirming of our gay and lesbian sisters and brothers. :Fade-color

No, that definition of sodomy isn't complete enough. If I define rape as a 'man penetrating a woman' or adultry in the same way, it isn't complete enough. The word 'sodomy' itself is not even the best translation of the Bible at those places. A better word would be 'catamite'. And there we would agree. It would not be right for a man to own and use a little boy as a sex object. But if that means all homosexuality, then I guess we should be consistent and say that 'thou shalt not commit adultry' means all heterosexuality as well?

 

[evanman]

1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

We are not to keep company with so-called "Gay" christians.

 

[Vic C.]

Topic title and OP is "What church do you attend?" Please refer any 'homosexual' posts to one of the many threads we have on that subject.

 

[Free]

Is anyone here Calvary Chapel? My wife and I have just started attending one and we think it is where we will stay, but I know little of them. They seem to be aligned with the Full Gospel churches.

 

[bibleberean]

Is anyone here Calvary Chapel? My wife and I have just started attending one and we think it is where we will stay, but I know little of them. They seem to be aligned with the Full Gospel churches.

I used to be Calvary Chapel.

Here is an article I wrote when I left.

Some Reflections on the Calvary Chapel Movement
FOUNDATION Magazine
May-June 2001

A personal, Biblical look at a burgeoning group of churches
offering believers a mixture of truth and error.

by Robert W. Hurzeler

THE FIRST CHURCH my family and I attended after we were saved in 1993 was a small Calvary Chapel in Central Oregon. We still love the people who first discipled us as new believers.

My wife and I had no real background in the doctrines of the faith. We had very little understanding concerning the rapture, the millennial reign of Christ, the gifts of the Spirit or the function of the church in the life of the believer. We were taught many good and sound teachings by our new family in Christ, and I will be forever grateful that God used these folks to help us understand Him and know Him.

However, it is not for the good teachings and sound doctrines we were taught that this article is being written. I write this article not out of malice, but of love. It is my hope that this article will help people who attend Calvary Chapels to see and understand the pervasive and dangerous doctrines within these fellowships and come to a right understanding of what the Scriptures really teach. This article is intended to help Fundamental Bible believers understand the errors of one of the fastest growing and most popular movements in the church today. The problem with Calvary Chapel lies in it's aberrant Charismatic theology and its ecumenical nature.

Aberrant Charismatic Theology

The Calvary Chapel movement promotes and encourages the "line by line, precept by precept" study of the Scriptures. I thank God for that. I first learned to deeply love and appreciate the Word of God at a Calvary Chapel, and I certainly will not fault the movement for its strong emphasis on the Scriptures. The problem, however, is that Calvary Chapels teach the errors of the Charismatic movement. Calvary teaches that the sign and revelatory gifts in the early church are still available today and should be sought and practiced. They teach their followers to seek what Charismatics call the "baptism of the Holy Spirit." According to Calvary doctrine, this baptism is a second baptism which comes upon the believer subsequent to his salvation.


Any teaching that is contrary to the teachings of the Bible is, by its very nature, ungodly and dangerous. Nowhere in God's Word are believers exhorted or encouraged to seek a second baptism. In fact, the Bible teaches the opposite when It states, "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit" (I Cor. 12:13). Those who seek a second baptism are in direct conflict with the Word of God. The Scripture states there is but one baptism. Charismatics teach that there are two. The Bible states all are baptized. Charismatics teach that only some are baptized.


One leader within the Calvary Chapel movement, Larry Taylor, writes in the booklet What Calvary Chapel Teaches:

In our services, we focus on a personal relationship with God through worship, prayer, and the teaching of the Word of God. We teach both expositorily and topically. We do not allow speaking in tongues loudly during services, nor prophecy while a Bible study is in progress because we do not believe that the Holy Spirit would interrupt Himself. We have specific "after-glow services" and believer's meetings when these gifts of the Spirit may be exercised.1

Calvary Chapel does not teach nor believe in many of the blatant errors of hyper-Charismatics. Chuck Smith, founder of Calvary Chapel, does not believe that a Christian can be demon-possessed or that a person under the Holy Spirit's influence should be out of control or behave in an undignified manner. He teaches against practices such as " being slain in the spirit, " barking or laughing uncontrollably. Calvary's stance seems sensible and orderly, but this combination of truth and error is what makes these doctrines so seductive and confusing.


Concerning Fundamentalism, Taylor writes:

Fundamentalism is that portion of Protestantism which holds to the literal interpretation of the Scriptures, believing that they are divinely inspired and inerrant. Hence, the "fundamentals" of the faith are emphasized. Although the modem news media and the liberal church scorn fundamentalists as backwards and stupid, the truth is that fundamentalism has preserved the integrity of God's Word and held on to the essential doctrines of the orthodox faith ...1

In this instance, Taylor is correct. Fundamentalism has held and should continue to hold to the fundamentals of the faith. A day does not go by that I do not thank God for strengthening and raising up men and women who refuse to compromise the teachings of Scripture with the philosophies of the world (Col. 2:8).


Taylor then defines Pentecostalism:

Pentecostalism as a modern movement grew out of the Azusa Street revival in Los Angeles at the turn of the 20th century, and spawned denominations that emphasize the fullness of the Holy Spirit and the exercise of spiritual and Scriptural gifts of the Spirit which had fallen dormant in the main line churches.1

Taylor points to the Azusa Street revival as the beginning of the restoration of the "Scriptural gifts of the Spirit." However, neither the gifts of the Holy Spirit nor the Holy Spirit has been dormant for the last 1900 years. Only the revelatory and the miraculous sign gifts "ceased" when the perfect canon of Scripture was completed in the first century (I Cor. 13:8). The Holy Spirit has never left the church (Eph. 1:13-14; Heb. 13:5). It must be noted that the phenomena at Azusa street could not be a true movement of the Holy Spirit, for there were spiritists, hypnotists and many unscriptural activities taking place at the Azusa Street Mission. People who were allegedly under the power of the Holy Spirit were given to fits of laughing and weeping uncontrollably. Many babbled in unintelligible gibberish. Much of the same error and unscriptural activity that took place at Azusa Street is occurring today in places such as Toronto and Pensacola.


Taylor then defines the position of the Calvary Chapel as the following:

Over the years, however, fundamentalism, while it clung to the integrity of God's Word, tended to become rigid, legalistic, and unaccepting of spiritual gifts. Similarly, Pentecostalism became enthusiastic and emotional at the expense of the teaching of God's Word.

Calvary Chapel is the balance between the two. At Calvary Chapel we believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit mentioned in the Bible, and we encourage their exercise, but always decently and in order, and with the primary emphasis on the Word of God which we look to as our primary rule of faith.1

According to Taylor, then, anyone who believes that the gifts of the foundational Apostolic Period are not for today is "rigid and legalistic." But the Bible teaches at believers are to base their beliefs on Scripture alone as opposed to experience there is nothing "legalistic" about it. Calvary claims to be the balance between those who cling to God's Word and those who put emotionalism and experience in the place of God's Word. This is not balance. Make no mistake about it, Calvary is teaching grave error.

The world teaches us to seek unity and common ground with those who have beliefs different from our own. God's Word teaches us to separate from unscriptural practices. John 8:32 says, And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." We are not instructed to find the "balance" or the "middle ground." Jesus did not say, "know the balance, and the balance shall make you free."


Many people who attend Calvary are either confused or unaware of what Chuck Smith teaches on the issue of "tongues" being for today. I know I was. The following quotes are taken from an article entitled "The Baptism of the Holy Spirit" by Calvary Chapel founder Chuck Smith:

Speaking in tongues is an exercise of faith that is an affront to my intellect. My intellect used to be very important to me. A straight-A average was the most important thing in the world when I was going to school, but God humbled me. I must admit it is very humbling to pray to God in tongues, for you don't understand what you are saying. I must by-pass my intellect to communicate with God in the spirit. I must trust the Holy Spirit to speak to God, instead of my intellect. I must have faith that He knows, much better than I know, what is best for me and how to petition God for it. In order to exercise my faith by speaking in tongues, I must deny that my own intellect is better able to communicate.2

Chuck Smith bases his belief that one must pray in tongues while bypassing his intellect on Romans 8:26 which states, "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." This is a misunderstanding and misapplication of this verse. First, it is not we who are praying or making intercession; the verse clearly states that "the Spirit itself maketh intercession." We have nothing to do with His intercession on our behalf. Second, the Holy Spirit makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." This rules out speaking or groaning out loud in public or in private.

Chuck Smith teaches the same error that extreme Pentecostals and Charismatics use to justify praying in unintelligible gibberish.
Chuck Smith also believes that if an individual doubts that he is speaking in tongues because he has the ability to stop, Satan must be behind it. He writes,

The first hassle you find, the minute you start speaking in an unknown tongue, is that Satan tells you that you're just making it up. When he does you're going to stop just like that. And then he will say, "See, you were making it up, because you can stop." That is exactly what he did to me. But Paul said, "I will pray with the Spirit, and I will pray with understanding." 2

This is the same erroneous teaching that Charismatic seminars promote when training people to speak in tongues. The people giving the seminar encourage the participants to "let their voices go" and to speak out whatever syllables or gibberish is in their head. They are then told not to let the devil deceive them into thinking it is only gibberish and not a genuine Holy Spirit-given "prayer language."

How can such faulty teaching be reconciled with what is clearly stated in God's Word, which says, "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints" (I Cor. 14:33)?


No one needed to teach the apostles how to speak in tongues on the day of Pentecost. They did not speak gibberish but, instead, known languages understood both by them as well as those hearing them. They spoke intelligible languages as the "Holy Ghost gave them utterance" (Acts 2:4-1 1). The apostles had no reason to doubt that this was an act of God.

Faith is reasonable, and we must never "bypass" the mind that God has given us. "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear" (I Pet. 3:15).


Part II in next post.

 

[bibleberean]

Is anyone here Calvary Chapel? My wife and I have just started attending one and we think it is where we will stay, but I know little of them. They seem to be aligned with the Full Gospel churches.

Here is part II

When the Pentecostal movement began at Azusa Street, a clear and definite difference existed between the emotionally driven Pentecostal and the sober Bible-believing Fundamentalist. Hyper-Pentecostals were considered "extremists" and part of the "lunatic fringe." But this is no longer true today. The Fundamentalist is now the one who is considered divisive, extreme and unloving while the Pentecostal/Charismatic churches are considered loving and tolerant.

What has caused this dramatic reversal? Though many factors exist, the primary reason is that the vast majority of churches have gradually compromised. Doctrinal issues have been clouded because church leaders fail to practice Biblical separation from those who promote these unscriptural doctrines. Many churches have not heeded the apostle Paul's exhortation: "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them" (Rom. 16:17).


Calvary Chapel churches have played no small part in giving the Charismatic Movement the respectability it has needed to thrive and flourish. Calvary Chapel, by taking a so-called moderate or "balanced" stand on extrabiblical revelation such as prophecy and tongues, has made what was once considered extreme and unacceptable now appear to be moderate and credible.

Fellowshipping with Compromisers

Chuck Smith, Greg Laurie, Chuck Missler and many other well-known leaders of the Calvary Chapel movement often appear on the hyper-Charismatic Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). By appearing on TBN, these men, by association, actually endorse TBN's many programs that con money from their faithful viewers. The manipulative and blatantly unscriptural practices of TBN to raise money are almost beyond belief. Promising those who send money 100 to 1,000-fold returns on their "seed faith" offerings is only one of the many deceptions TBN uses to fleece the flock, yet Chuck Smith and Chuck Missler hosted the "Praise the Lord" broadcast just this past year. Chuck Smith opposes such unscriptural practices, but then he appears on TBN. His compromise has a huge impact on those who attend the various Calvary Chapel churches and who identify strongly with him, for it implies that this network and its blasphemous "word of faith" teachings have his stamp of approval. After all, if the gifts of miracles, tongues and prophecy are for today, who would dare question or judge TBN's ministry? Galatians 5:9 makes it clear that only "a little leaven (bad doctrine) leaveneth the whole lump." TBN has much more than a little leaven. I have heard Chuck Smith warn people about unscrupulous televangelists on his various radio ministries, but he rarely names the people or programs against whom he is speaking. An overseer of the church of God has an obligation to warn other believers of unscriptural and ungodly practices. How can church leaders warn God's people if they remain silent for the most part and go so far as to participate with and, thereby, endorse those who promote unscriptural teachings for profit?


When church leaders fail to separate and speak out against the "wolves in sheep's clothing" that permeate the Charismatic movement, new believers as well as those who have been poorly taught suffer much confusion. I did not know what to think about the sign and revelatory gifts when I attended Calvary Chapel. I was in a perpetual fog about the person and function of God the Holy Spirit. I was never certain whether or not one or two baptisms existed. I often wondered, if all the spiritual gifts were still for today, why had I never met or even heard of anyone who had the gifts of healing or miracles. I am not referring to the theatrics and alleged miracles displayed on TBN, but to genuine miracles such as described in Acts chapter 3. The man who had been born lame from his mother's womb had never walked a day in his life and was over 40 years old. This same man was healed with merely a word from the apostle Peter. In Acts chapter 4, we read that the scribes, elders and rulers of the people could not deny that this healing was a true miracle. These same people desperately wanted to crush the infant church, and if there had been any way at all to dismiss this amazing miracle, these Jewish leaders would have used it.

The antics and so-called miracles seen on TBN not only are refutable but bring shame on the church and degrade the name of Jesus Christ in the eyes of unbelievers.


I remained confused and uncertain as to what to believe while attending Calvary. For a period of time I wondered if I had any hope of coming to a right understanding of the spiritual gifts issue. One day when surfing the internet for Christian apologetics web sites, I found the "Bible Believers Resource Page" hosted by the Fundamental Evangelistic Association. What an eye opener! I clicked on the topic "Charismatic Movement" and began to read the article titled "Is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit Subsequent to Conversion?" written by J. A. McConnelee in 1927. When I read the article, it was as if scales fell from my eyes. I found the truth. There was only one Baptism and one Spirit, received once, at conversion. I began to read every article concerning the Charismatic Movement on the FEA web site. I was convinced that what I was reading was true and that the doctrine being taught by Calvary was false. I hit my print button and made a few copies of the articles to give to the elders and pastor of my fellowship. I was convinced they would see the truth and major changes would take place in our church. I had found the truth and wanted to set my friends free!
There was initial enthusiasm from the elders and some of the members of the church on these issues, but this was soon replaced with indifference and then a denial that this was even an issue at all. It became painfully apparent to me that the Calvary Chapel I attended was going to remain true to the cardinal doctrines and philosophy of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. I was told that the doctrines on spiritual gifts were "side issues" and that these issues should not divide the body. I was not completely surprised by this reaction. Calvary has a built-in philosophy for compromise and toleration of questionable doctrines.

Notice once again what Larry Taylor writes:

When we move away from the essential doctrines to those that are less essential we risk setting barriers up in the church, something we at Calvary Chapel have no desire to do. Still, Calvary Chapel is distinct from denominational churches and other Protestant groups and people want to know what those distinctions are. That is the purpose of this little booklet. 1

With a philosophy this open to interpretation, I was not shocked when I was told that the church had enough room for different points of view on the gifts issue. I found that even within our small fellowship we had the full gamut of beliefs among those attending. Members of the fellowship who knew or had doubts about Charismatic teachings kept silent for the sake of unity in the body. But the Scriptures do not teach that any portion of the Word of God contains doctrines that are "less essential." Our Lord and Savior left no room for doubt on this subject: "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God" (Matt. 4:4).


I had no choice but to leave the fellowship. My firm stand had begun to put up a barrier between myself and other church leaders. With the full support of my wife, I stepped down as head deacon and left the church. It has been well over a year since I left. I have no bitterness or doubts about my decision. I have grown closer than ever to my wife and family. We are in the first stages of forming a Bible-believing, Fundamentalist church in our area. We trust God and know He will guide us and provide for all our spiritual needs. I urge everyone who is going through a similar experience to wait on the Lord and be strong.


When my family and I left Calvary, I knew it meant that I would lose friends and the social life that came with their friendship. In that respect, it was painful to leave. As individuals, we all have a decision to make. We can stand by what God's Word teaches and please Him, or we can choose to please men (which, in reality, means pleasing ourselves) through compromise and silence. We need to hold each other up in prayer. We cannot and must not give in to bad doctrine for the sake of unity and friendship. The apostle Paul gives us the example to follow in Galatians 1:10 "For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ."


1 http://calvarychapel.com/library/taylor ... t/wcct.htm
2 http://calvarychapel.com/ashland/hspirit.html

FOUNDATION Magazine is available from the Fundamental Evangelistic Association

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I hope you will carfully consider the article.

In His service,

bibleberean

 

[bibleberean]

Topic title and OP is "What church do you attend?" Please refer any 'homosexual' posts to one of the many threads we have on that subject.

I attend Victory Baptist Church. It is Independent Baptist.

I led a small home fellowship for 4 years after leaving the Calvary Chapel Movement.

This is our Doctrinal Statement. It is very close to the doctrine of our New Church.

Doctrinal Statement

Bend Fundamental Bible Church
Doctrinal Statement.

Bend Fundamental Bible Church is a local independent fellowship and is not answerable or affiliated with any headquarters or individual.This church is answerable to the Lord Jesus Christ and to Him alone


1. We profess and believe in the Trinity and in the deity of Christ. We believe that God - God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are One God. We believe that they are three separate but co-equal and co-eternal identities with different responsibilities for the purpose of redemption. We believe that they are one in essence as well as purpose. Genesis 1:26, Matthew 28:19, John 15:26, John 16:7-18, 1John 1:26, 1John 5:7 Ephesians 2:18, 2 Corinthians 13:14

2. We believe Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man. Jesus Christ is the second person of the Godhead. He is co-existent, co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father of whose person and glory He is the exact expression. This absolute deity of Jesus Christ is indissolubly combined with His perfect humanity in one Person. He is the one and only Mediator between God and man. (I Timothy 2:5; John 20:28; I Timothy 3:16; Philippians 2:6; Colossians 2:9; 15-19; Hebrews 1:2, 3; John 1:1-4).


3. We believe that Jesus Christ was born of Mary a virgin and conceived of the Holy Ghost. Genesis 3:15, Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:18-25, Luke 1:35, John 1:14,

4. We believe and profess that the 66 books of the Bible are the verbally inspired and infallible Word of God. We believe the scriptures to be sufficient for all things pertaining to Godliness and righteousness. We believe that God has preserved His Words not His thoughts in the Hebrew Masoretic text and what has become known as the Greek Textus Receptus. Only the 1611 King James version is translated from these texts. We will use no other translation in teaching or reading aloud in our services. Psalm 12:6-7, Isaiah 40:8, John 16:12-16, 2Peter 1:16-21, 2Timothy 3:16-17

5. We believe and profess that believing the Gospel and Gospel alone is the only way to salvation. That Gospel is contained in the following verses. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Moreover brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached to unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures. 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. Romans 1:16 There is no other name by which we can be saved but through Jesus Christ. Acts 2:21, Acts 4:10-12

6. We profess and believe that the shed blood of the perfect lamb Jesus Christ made atonement for our sins. We believe His shed blood on the cross was sufficient to purchase all man kind. Only those who receive Jesus as Lord and Savior have His blood for their covering and have passed from death to life. John 1:12 We also reject the false doctrine of Limited Atonement which teaches that Christ only died for the elect. 1John 2:2, John 3:16, Revelation 22:17, 2 Peter 3:9

7. We profess and believe that Christ will return for His bride the church. We believe this return is imminent. We believe that this is the blessed hope of the church. Titus 2:13-15 This signless event is known as the Rapture.

8. We believe in the literal reign of Jesus Christ for 1,000 years on the earth. At this time all the promises and covenants made to Israel will be fulfilled to a believing remnant of Israel through the Patriarchs of the Old Testament. Revelation 20

9. We believe in the physical resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. He ascended into heaven in bodily form and is now at the right hand of the Father as our Mediator, Priest and Advocate. Acts 3:12-26, Hebrews 9:24, 1Corinthians 15:12-28, 1John 2:1

10. We believe that man is justified by faith alone in Jesus Christ alone. Romans 5:1

11. We believe in the eternal security of all believers. Once we become a new creature in Christ, we can never lose the relationship with God based on the imputed righteousness through the belief in the finished work of Christ and His promise of eternal life. John 10:25-29

12. We believe that the Holy Spirit indwells all believers the moment they believe the gospel of grace and receive Jesus Christ as Savior. No one can belong to the Lord Jesus Christ without the sealing and permanent indwelling ot the Holy Ghost. Romans 8:9
Ephesians 1:13 Ephesians 4:30

13. We believe good works are ordained for the believer and that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:10

14. We believe we are to separate from sinful practices. 1Corinthians 6:19-20, 1Peter 1:13-16
We are to separate from disobedient brethren,apostates and doctrinal error. Romans 16:17

15. We believe in a literal 6-day creation as outlined in the book of Genesis.

16. We believe that all the revelatory and sign gifts "ceased" when the scriptures were completed. 1 Corinthians 13: 8-13 The gifts of the Holy Spirit are given to the church for mutual edification (Ephesians 4:7-16). The temporary, miraculous sign gifts (For example), tongues, interpretation of tongues, miracles, apostleship, prophecy, knowledge and healing), were intended to be transitional and foundational. Tongues (languages supernaturally learned) ceased when Israel as a nation rejected the gospel and was scattered in 70 AD (I Corinthians 13:8-13; 14:21, 22; Mark 16:17-20).


17. We believe that Biblical Baptism is the immersion of a believer in water (Acts 2:41; John 3:23; Mark 1:9-11), in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19). It is a public declaration of a person's faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, This act is symbolic and is an outward display of the believer's identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection as the means of salvation, with its effect in our death to sin, burial of our Old Man, and resurrection to a new way of life. (Romans 6:1-6 Acts 8:38).

18. The Lord's Table is to be a memorial of the sufferings of Christ, His broken body and precious blood by which salvation is purchased and heaven opened. (Acts 20:28). The elements of the supper are unleavened bread and the fruit of the vine (Matthew 26:26-29).


19. We are a 1611 King James Bible believing church. Dispensational, secessionist., Separatist group with no apologies offered.

Speakers and teachers in our assemblies need to agree with the fellowships' Doctrinal Statement.

Click on link below to understand why we will not fellowship with some men and some movements.

http://www.biblebelievers.net/Separation/kjcsepr1.htm

 

[paxigoth7]

Well, *giggles* I guess I can't speak at your assembly.

I fully agree on points 1, 2, 5, 9, 10, 13 and 17.
I partially agree on points 3, 4, 6, 11, 12, 14, 16 and 18.
I fully disagree on points 7, 8, 15 and 19.

 

[mh13]

I attend McLean Bible church

http://www.mcleanbible.org

A great church, I have very few complaints. I guess my biggest complaint is that they use the NIV instead of KJV, but I'm not into KJVonlyism. I prefer KJV and think it's the best translation, but I allow others the freedom to use other translations.
I also may be a little more fundamental than the average person there, but it is a good Bible-believing church, and me and my family love it. Especially the Sunday evening service!

 

[Free]

bibleberean,

I disagree with most of what you stated regarding the Pentecostal/Charasmatic movements, especially since cessationism cannot be supported by the very Scripture in point #4.

 

[bibleberean]

bibleberean,

I disagree with most of what you stated regarding the Pentecostal/Charasmatic movements, especially since cessationism cannot be supported by the very Scripture in point #4.

Okay... we disagree :D

I have a lot of irons in the fire right now. We might get a chance to discuss this later.

Have a blessed evening bro,

bibleberean

 

[smiling_grin]

There are many different types of groups that go under the title "Baptist Church".

There are the "Southern Baptists", the "Bible Baptists","Reformed Baptists",Conservative baptists","Full Gospel Baptists","Regular baptists", "Free Will Baptists","Primative Baptists","Seventh Day Baptists","Charismatic Baptists", "Landmark Baptists", "Liberal Baptists" so many. Which of them are you referring to when you use the term "Baptist"?

no wonder why the majority of the churches i see are baptist...but maybe it is just a popular denomination...........?

i attend a catholic church. :-D

 

[Lewis]

evanman wrote:


There are many different types of groups that go under the title "Baptist Church".

There are the "Southern Baptists", the "Bible Baptists","Reformed Baptists",Conservative baptists","Full Gospel Baptists","Regular baptists", "Free Will Baptists","Primative Baptists","Seventh Day Baptists","Charismatic Baptists", "Landmark Baptists", "Liberal Baptists" so many. Which of them are you referring to when you use the term "Baptist"?

:o

 

[fallentoa]

I'm not sure if there is anyone else in here who belongs to one of the New Frontier churches but I've been going since Feb this year and I love the folk in it.

I've recently been baptised and really enjoyed it even though the water was freezing lol.

I don't have a problem with anyone who has a background within the craft or shamanism or even holistic therapies as I still do a lot of healing within reiki and so forth.

I hope you all enjoy the church you go too
many blessings
fallentoa

 

[Free]

How is it that you go to church and still perform reiki? Reiki and Christianity are opposed to one another.

 

[Khristeeanos]

Re:

evanman wrote:


There are many different types of groups that go under the title "Baptist Church".

There are the "Southern Baptists", the "Bible Baptists","Reformed Baptists",Conservative baptists","Full Gospel Baptists","Regular baptists", "Free Will Baptists","Primative Baptists","Seventh Day Baptists","Charismatic Baptists", "Landmark Baptists", "Liberal Baptists" so many. Which of them are you referring to when you use the term "Baptist"?

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That is why I attend a Christian church. No denominations, no creeds, no statements of faith, no isms or schisms or anything like that.

Just teaching from the Bible.

Our Statement of Faith:

NWCC exists to glorify God. We are a Bible-based people, drawn together in worship and service, committed to meeting the specific needs of our community through the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We believe that a Great Commitment to the Great Commission (Matt. 28:18-20) and the Great Commandment (Matt. 22:37-40) will produce a Great Church. We are striving constantly for excellence in equipping the body to point people to Christ.