What did God say?

[JudaicChristian]

Genesis 2:17
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

Genesis 3:3
but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "

Genesis 3:4
"You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.
Now who is telling the truth, God or the Serpent? According to scripture the Serpent is telling the truth. And that is why you see the word "Hell" in scripture. It's a place for God to torture LIVING BEINGS for all eternity. That is why are bibles also say God does "EVIL." Did you know that King James was the Grand Master of the Masons, and that the King James Bible is also known as the Masonic Bible? And that is the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Benoni]

But it was not Adam's Choice. God casued the fall so why should there be a hell? God took the blame.

 

[jasoncran]

But it was not Adam's Choice. God casued the fall so why should there be a hell? God took the blame.

we can blame the lord for our sin, whoopee.

 

[Benoni]

I don't blaime God for anything. God's Word reveals truth.

But it was not Adam's Choice. God casued the fall so why should there be a hell? God took the blame.

we can blame the lord for our sin, whoopee.

 

[jasoncran]

I don't blaime God for anything. God's Word reveals truth.

But it was not Adam's Choice. God casued the fall so why should there be a hell? God took the blame.

we can blame the lord for our sin, whoopee.

you said that the lord caused the fall, therefore what is sin if the lord made us to do it and then condmens us for doing that thing which he causes us to do, not a very just or sane of God if he did that.

 

[JudaicChristian]

I think the point is being missed. The Hebrew word Sheol literally means grave, not Hell. Is there LIFE in Hell? God says that man will surely die, and the Serpent says that man will not surely die. The Pagans teach that there is life in Hell. God says there is death. And Yahshua also said that God can destroy both body and spirit. Is the word "HELL" biblical, or not?

 

[ronniechoate34]

I think the point is being missed. The Hebrew word Sheol literally means grave, not Hell. Is there LIFE in Hell? God says that man will surely die, and the Serpent says that man will not surely die. The Pagans teach that there is life in Hell. God says there is death. And Yahshua also said that God can destroy both body and spirit. Is the word "HELL" biblical, or not?

Yes it is. And just because pagans hold a similar belief means nothing. That's only satan's way of ebbing the flow the truth with disinformation.

 

[Orion]

I think the point is being missed. The Hebrew word Sheol literally means grave, not Hell. Is there LIFE in Hell? God says that man will surely die, and the Serpent says that man will not surely die. The Pagans teach that there is life in Hell. God says there is death. And Yahshua also said that God can destroy both body and spirit. Is the word "HELL" biblical, or not?

Uh, . . . most pagans don't believe in "Hell" and definitely reject the idea of the current christian view of such a place. What "pagans" are you listening to???

 

[Benoni]

No actually I am just quoting from God’s Word; God took the blame for Adam’s fall. I do not believe God condemns anyone, the word condemn, damnation also mean probation and judgement. God’s judgements are just. You are right in believing that condemnation is not just of God.

(NIRV) Romans 8: 20 The created world was bound to fail. But that was not the result of its own choice. It was planned that way by the One who made it. God planned to set the created world free. He didn't want it to rot away completely. Instead, he wanted it to have the same glorious freedom that his children have

Ps. 90:1-3. "Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. You (God) turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.

you said that the lord caused the fall, therefore what is sin if the lord made us to do it and then condmens us for doing that thing which he causes us to do, not a very just or sane of God if he did that

 

[Benoni]

Yes there is plenty of disinformation think about it there are over 22,000 different religions out there all claiming to have the truth, that God's Spirits job. Satan has religous men hearing men, their religions that is where the disinformation comes from. That is the last place religion would turn to. They have God all figured out.

Yes it is. And just because pagans hold a similar belief means nothing. That's only satan's way of ebbing the flow the truth with disinformation.

 

[JudaicChristian]

I think the point is being missed. The Hebrew word Sheol literally means grave, not Hell. Is there LIFE in Hell? God says that man will surely die, and the Serpent says that man will not surely die. The Pagans teach that there is life in Hell. God says there is death. And Yahshua also said that God can destroy both body and spirit. Is the word "HELL" biblical, or not?

Yes it is. And just because pagans hold a similar belief means nothing. That's only satan's way of ebbing the flow the truth with disinformation.

OK then, God and Yahshua lied when they said we would die, and the Serpent told the truth.

 

[Benoni]

But is dead what we think death is? Or should we look at what God is saying about death?

"The first Adam died to God and righteousness, and became alive unto sin. The last Adam died unto sin (Rom. 6:10), and liveth unto God, and so fulfilleth all righteousness. The first made all men sinners, the last makes all men righteous. The lives and the deaths of the two Adams are thus greatly contrasting the one to the other. The FIRST DEATH was a transition from life to death, the SECOND DEATH is a transition from corruption to incorruption, from mortality to immortality. Transformed from the carnal mind to the spiritual mind, which is life and peace, which transformation is wrought by a dying out to the one realm, to come alive to the higher realm. Because -- the second death is prepared to purge out and burn away sin and its results, and so doing cleanse all of God's universe. Death came as an enemy, the fruitage of an act of disobedience that turned man away from God and into the realm of carnality, minding self and flesh. Now God makes death overcome itself. It is by death that death is rendered powerless, and there arises an upspringing, a new life. It takes death to destroy death, and thus Christ 'did taste death for every man' --'that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; and deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage' (Heb. 2:9, 14-15). Since we are all under the effects of the first death, it is appointed unto us to die once more -- not physical death, we are already in a state of mortality -- but now a dying out to this present death state. We conquer this death of the carnal mind by dying to it -- only God could use such a process bringing victory, but praise God, lie is destroying the first death with the second death"

 

[Benoni]

opps

 

[Benoni]

double post

 

[Benoni]

double doble post

 

[Benoni]

triple post :yes

 

[JudaicChristian]

This subject is about the condemned, not those who will receive life immortal.

 

[Benoni]

No one can receive thelife of God until God draws them. I like the word force.

This subject is about the condemned, not those who will receive life immortal.

 

[glorydaz]

No one can receive thelife of God until God draws them. I like the word force.

Jesus draws all men unto himself....that's the power of the cross.

Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.

 

[jasoncran]

No actually I am just quoting from God’s Word; God took the blame for Adam’s fall. I do not believe God condemns anyone, the word condemn, damnation also mean probation and judgement. God’s judgements are just. You are right in believing that condemnation is not just of God.

(NIRV) Romans 8: 20 The created world was bound to fail. But that was not the result of its own choice. It was planned that way by the One who made it. God planned to set the created world free. He didn't want it to rot away completely. Instead, he wanted it to have the same glorious freedom that his children have

Ps. 90:1-3. "Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. You (God) turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.

you said that the lord caused the fall, therefore what is sin if the lord made us to do it and then condmens us for doing that thing which he causes us to do, not a very just or sane of God if he did that

God allows all men to turn from him, but like Pharoah that Moses dealt with men can harden their hearts

so hard, that Lord will send a strong delusion, see Romans 1.