What do Calvinists really believe?

[mlqurgw]

I am starting this thread not as a debate thread but as an answer thread. I would like for you folks to tell me what you think a Calvinist believes, leaving off the vitriol and polemic attitudes, and I will answer you as to what we really believe in whatever area of theology your questin is. My purpose is to clear the air and dispell some of the misconceptions folks seem to have concerning the Doctrines of Grace.

Fill in the blank, Do Calvinists really believe-------?

 

[mondar]

Is this open to anyone? Or are you answering questions for those who are not Calvinists already?

 

[mlqurgw]

Is this open to anyone? Or are you answering questions for those who are not Calvinists already?

It is open to anyone. I certainly don't presume to answer for all Calvinists but I am very familiar with what Calvinists as a whole believe including those aspects that I may not necessarily agree with. I certainly would appreciate any help from other Calvinists in answering as long as it remains cordial and the intent of the thread is maintained. I am not looking to fight with anyone but to just give honest answers to what folks think Calvinists believe. I am not interested in making Calvinists out of anyone or defending what Calvinists believe. I would gratefully accept any help you can give.

 

[Strangelove]

Do Calvanists believe that the Gospel call applies to all who hear?

 

[mlqurgw]

Do Calvanists believe that the Gospel call applies to all who hear?

Yes we do. We believe that there is a general call in the preaching of the Gospel and an effectual call that the Spirit applies to the elect. Both hear the same message but only those who have been given life in regeneration will respond to the call positively.

 

[mlqurgw]

It is open to anyone. I certainly don't presume to answer for all Calvinists but I am very familiar with what Calvinists as a whole believe including those aspects that I may not necessarily agree with. I certainly would appreciate any help from other Calvinists in answering as long as it remains cordial and the intent of the thread is maintained. I am not looking to fight with anyone but to just give honest answers to what folks think Calvinists believe. I am not interested in making Calvinists out of anyone or defending what Calvinists believe. I would gratefully accept any help you can give.

One more thing I would like to add, if I answer any question incorrectly concrning what Calvinists believe I welcome a Calvinist setting me straight.

 

[smaller]

I am starting this thread not as a debate thread but as an answer thread. I would like for you folks to tell me what you think a Calvinist believes, leaving off the vitriol and polemic attitudes, and I will answer you as to what we really believe in whatever area of theology your questin is. My purpose is to clear the air and dispell some of the misconceptions folks seem to have concerning the Doctrines of Grace.

Fill in the blank, Do Calvinists really believe-------?

Calvinists FALSELY believe that MANKIND is totally depraved.
Calvinists FALSELY believe that only those who have A FORM of Jesus painted across their lips are SAVED.
Calvinists FALSELY believe that ONLY THEIR SINS were forgiven at the cross of THE LORD OF ALL CREATION.
Calvinists FALSELY believe that GODS LOVE and GRACE is only for them.

I'll leave off the P, as I accept that premise.

Every one of their other POINTS are provably NOT true.

I'll start with the FIRST POINT, for those who can see the facts.

ALL of ISRAEL are taught in the Old Testament and affirmed by Jesus in the New Testament to be GODS CHILDREN. For those who have an interest, they can LOOK UP the facts in Deut. 14:1, Psalm 82:6, Mal. 2:10 and Jesus' AFFIRMATION in Matt. 23:9.

Now, read this: IT IS IMPOSSIBLE for GOD to have TOTALLY DEPRAVED CHILDREN.

The 'explanation' of WHY they do not believe is found in Romans 11:8, where GOD HIMSELF placed A SPIRIT OF SLUMBER upon those CHILDREN so they COULD NOT BELIEVE.

But, they ARE HIS CHILDREN nevertheless and are ASSUREDLY not TOTALLY DEPRAVED.

When the FACT comes forth the T comes DOWN.

enjoy!

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[mlqurgw]

Calvinists FALSELY believe that MANKIND is totally depraved.
Calvinists FALSELY believe that only those who have A FORM of Jesus painted across their lips are SAVED.
Calvinists FALSELY believe that ONLY THEIR SINS were forgiven at the cross of THE LORD OF ALL CREATION.
Calvinists FALSELY believe that GODS LOVE and GRACE is only for them.

I'll leave off the P, as I accept that premise.

Every one of their other POINTS are provably NOT true.

I'll start with the FIRST POINT, for those who can see the facts.

ALL of ISRAEL are taught in the Old Testament and affirmed by Jesus in the New Testament to be GODS CHILDREN. For those who have an interest, they can LOOK UP the facts in Deut. 14:1, Psalm 82:6, Mal. 2:10 and Jesus' AFFIRMATION in Matt. 23:9.

Now, read this: IT IS IMPOSSIBLE for GOD to have TOTALLY DEPRAVED CHILDREN.

The 'explanation' of WHY they do not believe is found in Romans 11:8, where GOD HIMSELF placed A SPIRIT OF SLUMBER upon those CHILDREN so they COULD NOT BELIEVE.

But, they ARE HIS CHILDREN nevertheless and are ASSUREDLY not TOTALLY DEPRAVED.

When the FACT comes forth the T comes DOWN.

enjoy!

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OK. Think what you will. As I said this thread is not about defending Calvinism but answering questions about it. You have asked no question so I will give no answer.

 

[Strangelove]

Yes we do. We believe that there is a general call in the preaching of the Gospel and an effectual call that the Spirit applies to the elect. Both hear the same message but only those who have been given life in regeneration will respond to the call positively.

Roger that. Nothing happens without the will of the Father.

Next question:

Do Calvanists believe that faith is the duty of every sinner?

 

[smaller]

OK. Think what you will. As I said this thread is not about defending Calvinism but answering questions about it. You have asked no question so I will give no answer.

There is no answer to provide. That is why you can not give one.

 

[mlqurgw]

Roger that. Nothing happens without the will of the Father.

Next question:

Do Calvanists believe that faith is the duty of every sinner?

Some do and some don't. It is actually a very hot debate among Calvinists today. I personally stand against the duty faith side.

 

[Strangelove]

Some do and some don't. It is actually a very hot debate among Calvinists today. I personally stand against the duty faith side.

Oh.....I was just about to declare misself a Calvanist. Darn.

 

[mlqurgw]

Some do and some don't. It is actually a very hot debate among Calvinists today. I personally stand against the duty faith side.

I might add that by far most Calvinists do hold to duty faith. I am among the minority of Calvinists on this.

 

[Strangelove]

I might add that by far most Calvinists do hold to duty faith. I am among the minority of Calvinists on this.

So would you class yourself as Hyper-Cal?

 

[mlqurgw]

So would you class yourself as Hyper-Cal?

No I wouldn't. I was one at one time though. I once held to the belief that God saves His elect whether they ever hear of Christ in the Gospel or not simply because they were the elect of God. Since that time, many years ago by the way, my prayerful study of the Scriptures has taught me that the preaching of the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation to them that believe. I actually found out what it means to preach the Gospel.

 

[Strangelove]

No I wouldn't. I was one at one time though. I once held to the belief that God saves His elect whether they ever hear of Christ in the Gospel or not simply because they were the elect of God. Since that time, many years ago by the way, my prayerful study of the Scriptures has taught me that the preaching of the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation to them that believe. I actually found out what it means to preach the Gospel.

Give me a bullett list on the things that seperate hypers from regular Calvanists.



..................please.

 

[savedbygrace57]

Do Calvanists believe that the Gospel call applies to all who hear?

I do, but all cannot Hear Gods word jn 8:43

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

So the Gospel Call unto salvation is not to them.

But it is directed specifically to them that Hath an Ear to Hear as Per

rev 2:7

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Its the Sheep that is given ears to Hear His voice Jn 10:27

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice

 

[savedbygrace57]

strange:

Do Calvanists believe that faith is the duty of every sinner?

I cannot speak per se for all who call themselves Calvinist, but No, Faith nor repentance are duties of anyone Christ did not died for. All those for who Christ did not die for, are under the curse of the law and must obey it completely or else they will be excluded from the Kingdom of Heaven..

 

[Danus]

I am starting this thread not as a debate thread but as an answer thread. I would like for you folks to tell me what you think a Calvinist believes, leaving off the vitriol and polemic attitudes, and I will answer you as to what we really believe in whatever area of theology your questin is. My purpose is to clear the air and dispell some of the misconceptions folks seem to have concerning the Doctrines of Grace.

Fill in the blank, Do Calvinists really believe-------?

Good thread mlgurgw. Hope you get some good questions without being burned at the stake......(joking)

I'm in vast agreement with john Calvin as well, but I don't call myself a "Calvinist".
I prefer to call myself a reformist. John Calvin was one of many brilliant reformist as well, and I would consider him among some of the greatest theologians, along with Augustine, Luther, Wesley....many others.

When I read your title I thought...."This ought to be interesting". I would hope that you might be given the consideration you've asked for.

 

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strange:
I cannot speak per se for all who call themselves Calvinist, but No, Faith nor repentance are duties of anyone Christ did not died for. All those for who Christ did not die for, are under the curse of the law and must obey it completely or else they will be excluded from the Kingdom of Heaven..

Ah, a NEW determinist doctrine has arrived.

Salvation by LAW.

I think Calvin would be rolling over in his grave over that claim.

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