What do Muslims think about Jesus?

[Qasim786]

"Where in the Bible actually does it tell us Jesus is not the son of God?..."

Qasim Said:I did not say that the bible doesnt say Jesus is the son of God. What i was trying to say was that does not mean that we should worship him, or that he has a specail link with God that no other man can have, the way the Christians like to think. Because God has many sons in the bible. What do you say about all of those others that are also Gods sons, according to the bible. So then you tell me, 'well Jesus is different, he is begotten', but then what do you REALLY mean when you say the Jesus is the only begotten son of God. I know that you mean only in the spirtual sense but then why is that different to the other sons of God in the bible?

As stated many times before, 'Son of God' in the bible is not unsusual, or specific to Jesus (peace be upon him).

"...Adam, which was the son of God." (Luke 3:38)
"...Israel is My son, even My firstborn:" (Exodus 4:22)
"...for I (God) am a Father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn." (Jeremiah 31:9)
"...the Lord hath said unto me (David): 'Thou art My son: this day have I begotten thee." (Psalms 2:7)
"For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 18:14)
"Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.
He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever."
(1 Chronicles 22:10), (also 1 Chronicles 28:6)

As you can see God has many sons in the Bible, it meant nothing more that a righteous servant of God.





Nicolaj said:Some Muslims say...because the bible is corrupt and man as changed it to look that way...though you are saying the Bible says he is not......


If you think because of prophets, people call God father in the Bible...means that Jesus is not....that is no proof....only your intereptation of it....

Qasim said:Im sorry, what is your point here. When Jesus addresses his disciples in, he says our father and your father first, and then says my father later on. Take a look especially at Matthew 6:1 onwards. God here is not just 'my father' but is 'our father' and 'your father', the Father or everyone, metaphorically.

"You have no proof like I have none...I have ony my faith he is...with the words he spoke... "


'Where in the Bible does it state another prophet was coming to show us the true way after Jesus left/died whatever? '

Qasim said:Many places. Actually theres one that strike me as it cleary shows that the Jews were awaiting for a prophet other that THE christ.

From http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/ ... ch6_1.html:
"In the Bible we read of the test that the Jews applied to Jesus (pbuh) in order to ascertain his truthfulness. The Jews had a prophecy that required Elias to come before Jesus (pbuh):


"Elias verily cometh first"

Mark 9:12


(also John 3:28). They had not seen Elias yet so they doubted the claim of Jesus (pbuh). Jesus, however, responded to them that Elias had already come but that they did not recognize him. In Matthew we read:


"But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not.........Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist."

Matthew 17:12-13


John, however refutes the claims of Jesus (pbuh). This is one of the Christian's "dark sayings of Jesus" that their scholars have tried to reconcile for centuries. We will leave this matter for them to work out among themselves (This matter is resolved in the Gospel of Barnabas. Please see chapter 7 for more).


Now, in John we read


"And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No."

John 1:19-21


We notice that there are three distinct prophecies here: 1) Elias, 2) Jesus, 3) That prophet. The Jews were not waiting for two prophecies, but three. This can be further clarified by reading John:


"And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be:

a) not that Christ,

b) nor Elias,

c) neither that prophet?"

John 1:25


If "that prophet" were Jesus (pbuh) wouldn't the third question in both verses be redundant? Further, we must remember that "That prophet" can not apply to any prophet before the time of Jesus (pbuh) because at the time of Jesus (pbuh) the Jews were still waiting for all three. Notice how when we let the Bible speak for itself, without forcing the holy spirit or other supernatural meanings on it in the commentary, or forcing three questions to be only two, how clear these verses become. For much more evidence in this regard, please read chapter 7 regarding the Dead Sea Scroll prophesies of "two messiahs" and how the Jews who wrote the scrolls and who were waiting for the coming of Jesus (pbuh) clearly state in these scrolls that they were waiting for not one, but TWO messiahs, the first of which would be announced by an eschatological prophet."

Taken from http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/ ... ch6_1.html




Why would we need another covenent with God... (the Koran) so soon after Jesus gave himself up for our sins? Muslims don't believe Jesus died at all on the cross....do they...?

Qasim said:Well we do not believe that Jesus came to die for the sins of Humanity, because we reject the concept of Original Sin, where we can inherit sin. We believe that each human being is born sinless, and only later changes. We believe Jesus came to teach the Jews about Mercy and Forgiveness as they had become a very heard-hearted people who had forgotten how to forgive. He came to Guide the Children Of Israel. That was his mission.

Do Muslims think his death was staged......what reason do Muslims believe Jesus came for?....

Qasim said:Jesus' mission was for the Jews only. His death was not staged, but we believe he was saved by God, and the Jews thought they had killed him, but it had only appeared to them that they had. In reality he had niether been killed, nor crucified. I know this is very hard for you to accept because you believe this is why he came, to die for you, but when you see and understand the true mission of Jesus, we realize this was an act of love from God, to save his messenger from being killed. Also, Jesus' mission was for the Jews only. This can be seen from the following verses:

Matthew10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Here Jesus is commanding his disciples to not go to the gentiles, but only to the Children of Israel, the Jews.

Matthew 15:22-27 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

23But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

27And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

Qasim said: Although Jesus did help the woman in the end, it is quite clear that Jesus was not sent, but to the Children of Israel.





'What do you think is so wrong with Chrisitianity that God so quickly his mind and now wanted the new religion to be Islam..'

Qasim Said: Islam is not a new religion. Islam means 'submission to the will of God', it is nothing new and was preached by all prophets, including Jesus. The reality is that Christianity was not preached by Jesus, nor does the word Christianity occur in the bible, even the word Christian is never used by Jesus or his close disciples. I think the word only occurs 2 or 3 times in the New Testament. The major part of the preaching of 'Christianity' Should be acredited to Paul, the 'apostle' of Christ. Jesus taught to pray to 'the Father' or God, not to pray to Jesus. He did not come with a new religion or set of laws, but he followed the divine law that had been given to Moses, and the message he preached was the same as every other preceding prophet before him, which was Submission to Gods will.

John 20:17 "...Go to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to MY Father and YOUR Father, to MY God and YOUR God.' "

 

[YESHUA]

What are about 5 million Jews doing in Palestine?

You think you came and occupied Palestine and kill Palestinians every day without any sacrifices.
I think Israel will not have security unless they end the occupation and end killing the Palestinians

Really?And here is what my GOD says about it and guess what I take HIS word over yours any time



Isaiah 14

1 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.
2 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.
3 And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
5 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.
6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.
7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.
8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.
9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.
24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:
25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
27 For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?
28 In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.
29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.
30 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant. 31 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.
32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it
and the poor of his people is the jews and that you will never get ride of them as sure as the LORD LIVETH and that you can believe if nothing else
and Heidi don't hold your breath waiting for an answer from Muhsen because you will never get one at least not the truth I should know first hand you will never get the truth from a muslim you what Jesus said about satan.
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA coming soon
chana

 

[Nicolaj]

"The Angels said, 'O Mary! God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above all the women of all nations…'

'O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to God. He shall speak to the people in infancy and in old age, and shall be of the righteous

She said: ' O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?' He said: 'Even so; God creates what he wills. When He decrees a thing, he says to it, "Be!" and it is."' (Qur'an 3:42, 45-7)

Hello Muhen...
So Muslims do accept that Jesus was much more than just a prophet?
by Mohammed own words he is saying Jesus is the Messiah...and not a prophet...

Also in this one verse from the Koran it tells us...that Jesus would be righteous meaning without guilt or sin...and...he would speak to the young and old speaking Gods word...so he was unable to lie...because he could not sin.'


Yet...the Koran tells us that the OT is in error.....surely Jesus would have picked up on these errors and correct them...God would have told him...these errors for us to know......because he had the word of God and he was righteous..he must have known there where errors there...because he taught from the OT since a Child.....so this tells us the OT is true and is the word of God....

Jesus is unable to lie....yet...if the Koran is correct...he was able to lie....so he ould not have been righteous like the Koran says he is in this verse.......



Also if Mary didn't have sex with any man!
which both Christians and Muslims beleive this point......who was the father of the child in her womb?...

"God creates what he wills" the Koran tells us...so God created Jesus it was his will to do so........So if God created him like God said he did......he is Gods Child....Joseph was not his father...neither any other man...

Jesus was not just Marys Child alone. So according to Gods will...Jesus was half human and also half divine...

We should remember Jesus was unable to commit a sin because he was born righteous...No other man ever since the begining until Jesus and even now..have been unable to overcome sin...because they are made of pure flesh alone...and flesh is sin.....

How I am understanding from this one verse alone...Mohammed is leading us to believe Jesus is Gods son...

 

[Nicolaj]

But the Muslims apparently feel that Mohammed who killed and lusted after women knows better who God is than Jesus was never found guilty of one sin. Is that correct? If so, they Muslims can put theire lives in the hands of a murderer rather than one who gave up his life for them, if they like, but they then deserve their fate. Jesus has proven his love for me by sacrificing his life for me. I'll believe someone like that any day over one who would kill me if he didn't like me!

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) has no sins and nor Jesus (PBUH) because they are prophets. Do you think any prophet can commit sins?
And why Jesus needs to sacrifice his self for you to prove that he loves you, he can’t do this without killing himself?!!!!!

Hello Mushen

All Prophets did sin...God tells us this, because they are born of flesh, we have examples of prophets sinning in the OT...God gave man sin because of Adam and Eve.......you say Mohammed didn't sin..was that before he recieved his messages? Or did he stop sinning once he recieved?


Jesus could not sin...as Mohammed himself as stated he tells us Jesus was righteous, God made him that way...unable to lie or sin.

1. Morally upright; without guilt or sin: a righteous parishioner.
2. In accordance with virtue or morality: a righteous judgment.
3. Morally justifiable:

 

[Nicolaj]

shalom Heidi
regarding your remark about Jews and arabs killing each other over land is not justified at all the Jews is not killing any body over land they simply want to live in peace as any normal human being and thats a fact I should after being there enough times.
what do you know about the conflict thats going on in the M.E? do know what the Bible says about it do you know what the GOD of YISRAEL has to say about it I guess not
so please do your self and others a favor and read about it in the Old Testament and also in the New Testament and don't give the one oh but we don't believe in the Old Testament because we have the New Testament because without the Old Testament you wouldn't even have the New Testament
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA, coming soon
chana


Just forgive my ignorance. Who kill Palestinians every Day? Who destroys the hoses over its owner? who kill childrens and women? Who commit crimes against humanity?

Both Palestinians and Israelies are killing each other.for worldly things...land is not important..to kill for.....and one is no better than the other IMO. Both are wrong for Killing each other...

What I would like to understand is...does the Koran tell us...or do Muslims believe the OT where it tells us God gave his chosen Children...Israel for their own? ...

If Muslims believe the OT that ...God did give this land to the Jews.....what is the problem of Jewish people wanting to go back and live in the land God gave them.....Should not Muslims be following what God said...and agree...Israel is for the Israelies..

Though I understand...that they must repent first for their sins.....for God to return their land to them...else it doesn't matter what happens...peace will not come unless the Jews repent.


If Muslims do not believe Gods word that he did not give the Jews Israel ....I can understand why there are arguments over this Land..

Though Killing for any reason is wrong...
Do you think God is happy for this behaviour...

 

[Nicolaj]

[quote:a1d92]Nicolaj said:Some Muslims say...because the bible is corrupt and man as changed it to look that way...though you are saying the Bible says he is not......


If you think because of prophets, people call God father in the Bible...means that Jesus is not....that is no proof....only your intereptation of it....

Qasim said:Im sorry, what is your point here. When Jesus addresses his disciples in, he says our father and your father first, and then says my father later on. Take a look especially at Matthew 6:1 onwards. God here is not just 'my father' but is 'our father' and 'your father', the Father or everyone, metaphorically. "You have no proof like I have none...I have ony my faith he is...with the words he spoke... " [/quote:a1d92]


My point is that both Muslims and Christians... believe in faith....Muslims believe in Faith what Mohammed told them...was true...

Christians have faith in Jesus being more than a prophet...being true...

Neither of us can prove either way to each other..Only God alone can do that!.. which is the truth...for example when Jesus tells us he was with the Father before the world was created...
you either have faith he is telling us the truth or you don't...



Even Mohammed tells us himself...Jesus was the Messiah and that is much more important than a prophet...so Mohammed knows himself of the fact that Jesus was in higher standing with God than he was and all other prophets.........Mohammed said.. 'Gods will 'created him.Jesus..to virgin Mary...

That is more than any other prophet ever...

Yes God also created Adam and Eve without parents..but he did not give them the authority he gave Jesus, over all of mankind...neither did he make them righteous, else they would not have been able to sin....

Jesus is the only human ever to be born righteous ...and unable to sin... though half of him was made from flesh.

'Where in the Bible does it state another prophet was coming to show us the true way after Jesus left/died whatever? '

Qasim said:Many places. Actually theres one that strike me as it cleary shows that the Jews were awaiting for a prophet other that THE christ.

That is not answering my question...which part of the Bible strikes you clearly to Jews awaiting for another prophet than Jesus?
I would like to know myself.
I know the Jews are waithing for the Messiah still....I didn't know they where waiting for a Messiah and a prophet still.

 

[Nicolaj]

"Where in the Bible actually does it tell us Jesus is not the son of God?..."

Qasim Said:I did not say that the bible doesnt say Jesus is the son of God. What i was trying to say was that does not mean that we should worship him, or that he has a specail link with God that no other man can have, the way the Christians like to think. Because God has many sons in the bible. What do you say about all of those others that are also Gods sons, according to the bible. So then you tell me, 'well Jesus is different, he is begotten', but then what do you REALLY mean when you say the Jesus is the only begotten son of God. I know that you mean only in the spirtual sense but then why is that different to the other sons of God in the bible?

Jesus never asks to be worshiped him, in the Bible...Man as done that himself......just has the Catholic church worship Mary...

Jesus tells us he is the gate to God...by following his teachings...will honour and give glory to God...because this is what God told him to tell us... He also tells us that Gods laws still stands. That he came to fulfil the prophets...

He even tells us how we should pray to God our Father in Heaven...

Yes God is father to all of mankind...no matter if you believe in him or not...it will not change the fact that human creation came from him....so we should call him our Father...

Jesus also tells us...that our earthy father are not our real fathers...which I also believe...

But Jesus had no human father...he had God who put the Holy Spirit him through Mary...and that's what made Jesus Righteous and unable to sin...

I do not believe Jesus is placing himself as high as God..he tells us we must go through him to get to God...which is far different than saying....I am as high as God...Jesus came and showed us the love God had for all of us...

But Jesus does have a speical link with God...because he made Jesus specially ....from the Holy Spirit...
What other human on this earth...as had that privilege?...

 

[Nicolaj]

As stated many times before, 'Son of God' in the bible is not unsusual, or specific to Jesus (peace be upon him).

Yes and God is father to us all...

But Jesus was from God...all other men have been born of the flesh...Jesus was born from Mary and the Holy Spirit...


God was father to Adam and Eve....though he did not give them any authriothy...and he did not make them righteous either...


What other human as ever had the authority Jesus had been given from God...over all mankind? ...

Why wasn't Jesus able to sin?


When every other human since time began has sinned?.....It is impossible not to sin...no matter how hard man tries, and how sorry we are...that we have...we always will sin......Because God made it so...

Jesus was more than a prophet...'The Messiah' even Mohammed states that himself.. prophets are human born of the flesh, so they sinners... though chosen by God...to bring relavtions to man for their own good........

Jesus was created by God ...he wasn't chosen like all other prophets God has chosen...

This alone puts him above any other human ever, ...but not above God...and Jesus never said it did, place him above or the same level as God...

 

[Qasim786]

Nicholaj:Hello Muhen...
So Muslims do accept that Jesus was much more than just a prophet?
by Mohammed own words he is saying Jesus is the Messiah...and not a prophet...

Qas:Being the Messiah does not mean he is divine of more that a messenger. Messiah means 'annointed one',, priests and kings were annointed in that time.

From Online Dictionary: Heb. mashiah), in all the thirty-nine instances of its occurring in the Old
Testament, is rendered by the LXX. "Christos." It means anointed. Thus priests
(Ex. 28:41; 40:15; Num. 3:3), prophets (1 Kings 19:16), and kings (1 Sam. 9:16;
16:3; 2 Sam. 12:7) were anointed with oil, and so consecrated to their
respective offices.

Qas:So messiah does not make him more than a prophet, neither in the Bible of the Quran.

Nicholaj :Also in this one verse from the Koran it tells us...that Jesus would be righteous meaning without guilt or sin...and...he would speak to the young and old speaking Gods word...so he was unable to lie...because he could not sin.'

Qas:Yes that is one of the Characteristics that Jesus had, he was sinless. But Muslims believe all prophets were righteous and were all free from any sin because they only did what God wanted them, because they were specifically chosen and sent by God. Obviously you will have some disagreement on that.

Yet...the Koran tells us that the OT is in error.....surely Jesus would have picked up on these errors and correct them...God would have told him...these errors for us to know......because he had the word of God and he was righteous..he must have known there where errors there...because he taught from the OT since a Child.....so this tells us the OT is true and is the word of God....

Qas:We dont necesserily say that The Old Testament has errors, but that it was not revealed by God, it is the Word of man, History if you like. It may have parts of the Law: the tawrat in it, but as a whole it was written by man. But Muslims believe the Actual tawrat Moses had was not written by man, or by him, but was revealed to him by God. The same Goes for the New Testament. It has some things that we agree, especially if Jesus said it, but as a whole it was written down by man.

Jesus is unable to lie....yet...if the Koran is correct...he was able to lie....so he ould not have been righteous like the Koran says he is in this verse.......


Also if Mary didn't have sex with any man!
which both Christians and Muslims beleive this point......who was the father of the child in her womb?...

Here is the difference with regards to the Christian perspective of the conception of Jesus and Muslim perspective. Muslims beleive that Jesus has no biological Father, and i think Christians agree. Surely you dont believe that God literally impregnated Mary. We Muslims attest that God can do anything, he doesnt have to plant a seed, whatever he wills, comes into existence. So again, Jesus has no Father. That is the Miracle of his birth, and it shows that God can do anything.

Quran 3:47 She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!


"God creates what he wills" the Koran tells us...so God created Jesus it was his will to do so........So if God created him like God said he did......he is Gods Child....Joseph was not his father...neither any other man...

Qas:What. God created Jesus in the womb, Just as he creates every Child. That doesnt make him Gods Child.

Jesus was not just Marys Child alone. So according to Gods will...Jesus was half human and also half divine...

Nicolaj:We should remember Jesus was unable to commit a sin because he was born righteous...No other man ever since the begining until Jesus and even now..have been unable to overcome sin...because they are made of pure flesh alone...and flesh is sin.....

Qas:Could you elaborate further, im not quite sure i understand this.

How I am understanding from this one verse alone...Mohammed is leading us to believe Jesus is Gods son...

Qasim: No, this is not leading us to believe this, it is leading us to believe the high honour that Jesus has in Islam, and that he was created by a special Miracle. The Quran actually rejects the idea that God beget a son. God does not beget, nor is he begotten, and thier is nothing like him. However, metaphorically you could say we are all the sons of God, he is our Father. But the most important thing is that God does not beget. I Hope we can agree at least on that.

'The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was. ' (3:59)

Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to an agreement between us and you: that we shall worship none but Allah, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him). (3:64)

 

[Nicolaj]

[quote:3c0c5]Nicola:Yet...the Koran tells us that the OT is in error.....surely Jesus would have picked up on these errors and correct them...God would have told him...these errors for us to know......because he had the word of God and he was righteous..he must have known there where errors there...because he taught from the OT since a Child.....so this tells us the OT is true and is the word of God....

Qas:We dont necesserily say that The Old Testament has errors, but that it was not revealed by God, it is the Word of man, History if you like. It may have parts of the Law: the tawrat in it, but as a whole it was written by man. But Muslims believe the Actual tawrat Moses had was not written by man, or by him, but was revealed to him by God. The same Goes for the New Testament. It has some things that we agree, especially if Jesus said it, but as a whole it was written down by man. [/quote:3c0c5]


Yes the OT is made up of history, poetry, and prophets...I can understand small errors...in history section.. ..after all...man makes mistakes...
But look how many prophets are also in the OT: Both major and minor...

Does Islam accept all prophets are the word from God and without errors..

Joel
Malachi
Zechariah
Haggai
Ezekiel
Obadiah
Jeremiah
Zepaniah
Habakkuk
Nahum
Micah
Isaliah
Hosea
Amos
Jonah
Elijah
Elisha

 

[Nicolaj]

Qas:What. God created Jesus in the womb, Just as he creates every Child. That doesnt make him Gods Child.

If God had created Jesus ...like every other Child in the world...Jesus would have been created with sperm also...like every other Child is...
But we know...there was no sperm in Jesus conception...

God gave humans the gift of sexual reproduction...

Your saying Jesus was created like every other Child.....yet he was not concieved with this method...
so how was he created the same as every other Child? This is why Jesus is different...


He was made with the Holy Spirit. That makes him above all other humans..and closer to God than anyone else......

No other prophet was created like this...no other Human...
And in God making Jesus this way...Jesus was unable to sin...the same as God cannot sin...but all other humans do..because they are born of flesh....

Surely you dont believe that God literally impregnated Mary.

Where did I give you the reason to think I did? That is disgusting to even think such thoughts...

I don't believe anyone in this world believes this or every has done...

Was Mary not a virgin when she came with Child.. so how could anyone even think that...

 

[Nicolaj]

Qas:What. God created Jesus in the womb, Just as he creates every Child. That doesnt make him Gods Child.

If God had created Jesus ...like every other Child in the world...Jesus would have been created with sperm also...like every other Child is...
But we know...there was no sperm in Jesus conception...

God gave humans the gift of sexual reproduction...

Your saying Jesus was created like every other Child.....yet he was not concieved with this method...
so how was he created the same as every other Child? This is why Jesus is different...


He was made with the Holy Spirit. That makes him above all other humans..and closer to God than anyone else......

No other prophet was created like this...no other Human...
And in God making Jesus this way...Jesus was unable to sin...the same as God cannot sin...but all other humans do..because they are born of flesh....

Surely you dont believe that God literally impregnated Mary.

Where did I give you the reason to think I thought that? I have never though that in my life...I find that disgusting to think such thoughts...

I don't believe anyone in this world believes this or ever has done...

Was Mary not a virgin when she came with Child.. so how could anyone even think that...

 

[Muhsen]

Hello sister Nicolaj,

This is the Real story of Jesus(PBUH):

"The Angels said, 'O Mary! God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above all the women of all nations…'

'O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to God. He shall speak to the people in infancy and in old age, and shall be of the righteous.'


She said: ' O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?' He said: 'Even so; God creates what he wills. When He decrees a thing, he says to it, "Be!" and it is."' (Qur'an 3:42, 45-7)

Just as God created Adam without a mother or a father, He caused Jesus to be conceived without a father:

"Truly the example of Jesus in relation to God is as the example of Adam. He created him from dust and then said to him, "Be!" and he was." (Qur'an 3:59)


Read the rest of the great prophet Jesus story

http://www.angelfire.com/on/ummiby1/isa.html

 

[Nicolaj]

Hello sister Nicolaj,

This is the Real story of Jesus(PBUH):

"The Angels said, 'O Mary! God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above all the women of all nations…'

'O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to God. He shall speak to the people in infancy and in old age, and shall be of the righteous.'

She said: ' O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?' He said: 'Even so; God creates what he wills. When He decrees a thing, he says to it, "Be!" and it is."' (Qur'an 3:42, 45-7)

Just as God created Adam without a mother or a father, He caused Jesus to be conceived without a father:

"Truly the example of Jesus in relation to God is as the example of Adam. He created him from dust and then said to him, "Be!" and he was." (Qur'an 3:59)

Hello Mushsen and Thankyou for explaining what you believe...

If we look at the word beget...and the word that Christians use...to how Jesus came into being...

be·get (b-gt)
tr.v. be·got (-gt), be·got·ten (-gtn) or be·got, be·get·ting, be·gets
1. To father; sire.
2. To cause to exist or occur; produce: Violence begets more violence.

We know God did not sire Jesus...has in the definition of of number 1...

The other meaning for beget is...to cause to exist or occur

I believe this is what God did to create Jesus...But unlike what the Koran says..in the quote you have provided for me...Adam was made only from dust..and no more... ...This doesn't make Adam, righteous, sinless.. unlike Jesus...Adam was not Holy or without sin..

But Jesus...God made from the Holy Spirit..this makes him...different...to Adam and everyone else...ever born.

Jesus was unable to sin...because he had been made with the Holy Spirit..which made him righteous..
So Jesus was much more than a prophet to God..

To say Jesus and Adam came into being because God said...'Be' and it was...is correct ...But they where each made from different things...and for different reasons..So there is a world of difference between them.

Does the Koran explain these differences?

Jesus from the Holy Spirit

Adam from dust...

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth and that's why Jesus was unable to lie or sin...This alone makes Jesus above all other prophets and humans...
moral men are born of flesh so they sin.

 

[Muhsen]

Thank you sister, Nobody told Jesus was sinner, Jesus has no sins because he is a prophet,
We believe also Muhammad has no sins, but that not make him more than prophet.

 

[Muhsen]

Some verses from Qur’an concerning Jesus(PBUH)

48. And He (Allâh) will teach him ['Iesa (Jesus)] the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom, etc.), (and) the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). (Qu’ran 3:48)

49. And will make him ['Iesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allâh's Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allâh's Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe. (qur’an 3:49)

72. Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allâh is the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners in worship with Allâh, then Allâh has forbidden Paradise for him, and the Fire will be his abode . And for the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers.
(Qur’an 5:72)

73. Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allâh is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilâh (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilâh (God -Allâh). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them. (Qur’an 5:73)

75. The Messiah ['Iesa (Jesus)], son of Maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother [Maryam (Mary)] was a Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the words of Allâh and His Books (see Verse 66:12)]. They both used to eat food (as any other human being, while Allâh does not eat). Look how We make the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to them, yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth). (Qur’an 5:75)

110. (Remember) when Allâh will say (on the Day of Resurrection). "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Remember My Favour to you and to your mother when I supported you with RûhulQudus [Jibrael (Gabriel)] so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and when I taught you writing, AlHikmah (the power of understanding), the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel); and when you made out of the clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My Permission, and you breathed into it, and it became a bird by My Permission, and you healed those born blind, and the lepers by My Permission, and when you brought forth the dead by My Permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from you (when they resolved to kill you) since you came unto them with clear proofs, and the disbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.' "
(Qur’an 5:110)

 

[YESHUA]

Thank you sister, Nobody told Jesus was sinner, Jesus has no sins because he is a prophet,
We believe also Muhammad has no sins, but that not make him more than prophet.

Muhammad was without sin give us break will you just how stupid do you think we are look at his life and what he did and if that’s sinless god have mercy on us then we all go to heaven without a doubt, then it shouldn't make any different if we belong to a religion or not we can just do what we bloody well please and call on the name of god or claim we have a revelation from god and voila here we go to heaven, and have countless of virgins, booze and what else our hearts desire even if were homosexuals anything goes in the Islamic heaven and may I say no thank you I rather go to hell than to a Islamic heaven, and besides that no woman go heaven other than the virgins and the those who committed jihad. Isn’t right that Muhammad was shown hell and that 90% of the people in hell was women? And I really don’t know why woman convert to Islam just to go to hell?
Shalom and love in the name of YESHUA coming soon
chana

 

[Nicolaj]

Thank you sister, Nobody told Jesus was sinner, Jesus has no sins because he is a prophet,
We believe also Muhammad has no sins, but that not make him more than prophet.

Hello Mushen.

Mohammad did have sin...because he killed men...he broke that commandment of Gods' laws...We are all commanded not to kill...
God does not change...so he would still want those commandments kept...Jesus kept them all
Also he changed the sabbath day to a Friday, why did Mohammed do this?......another broken commandment...of Gods' law..


All prophets...sin...because they are made from flesh...the only one not able to sin because he was made from the Holy Spirit is Jesus....

Even some of Gods prophets didn't obey God at first..ignoring Gods word.......so how can Muslims say...prophets do not sin? We have proof that prophets do sin...

Did Mohammed say himself he had never sinned...or is this something Muslims believe...

 

[Nicolaj]

and besides that no woman go heaven other than the virgins and the those who committed jihad. Isn’t right that Muhammad was shown hell and that 90% of the people in hell was women?

Is there truth in this Muhsen?

 

[Qasim786]

"That is not answering my question...which part of the Bible strikes you clearly to Jews awaiting for another prophet than Jesus?
I would like to know myself.
I know the Jews are waithing for the Messiah still....I didn't know they where waiting for a Messiah and a prophet still."

This does answer it. This quote clearly shows that the Jews were waiting for Elias, The Christ, and THAT PROPHET:

"And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. ART THOU THAT PROPHET? And he answered, No."

John 1:19-21


We notice that there are three distinct prophecies here: 1) Elias, 2) Jesus, 3) That prophet. The Jews were not waiting for two prophecies, but three. This can be further clarified by reading John:


"And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be:

a) not that Christ,

b) nor Elias,

c) neither that prophet?"

John 1:25