What do you think about Pastor Sean Harris and Slapping the gay out of your kids?

[K stunna]

I dont think its a bad idea at all, i 99% of his message i totally agree with, I'd rather be shunned by the "World" then for my children to most likely go threw Eternal Damnation in Hell

People say its bullying and Child abuse but i say its tough love. God taught us to Hate sin and Homosexuality is a sin, what i got from what he was saying was tips on how to help your kids avoid this sin. A lot of people hate him for this message [Most of the Atheists of course] but, im not surprised cause i know that Satan knows its the truth and trys to get as much people opposed to the idea as possible.

The Bible said in:

John 15:18

"If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.

also in:

Matthew 10:21-23

"All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes."

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[handy]

Re: What do you think about Past Sean Harris and Slapping the gay out of your kids?

I think he seriously misunderstands the issue.

First of all, I think a lot of little boys who have big sisters wind up in dresses and make up at times. Viola and her friends used to treat Thomas like a big dress up doll and he'd come out with dresses, make up and hair pretties...lots of giggles and silliness. He wouldn't be caught dead doing anything like that now. Believe me, he's as hetero as they come...by the time he was 9 he told me he was a "babe magnet"... (I informed his father the need to start teaching him respect and manners...) This year, we've had to remind him that there is no dating or girlfriends and that he won't be allowed to do things with girl friends (as opposed to girlfriends) for a few more years yet.

Slapping around a little kid who struggles with homosexuality at that age will probably result in a teen who either kills himself or runs off. So, either you're slapping a kid who is just joking around and will grow out of such silliness or you're doing grave damage to a son or daughter who is going to need all your love, support, love, encouragement, love, prayers, love, guidance and especially your love to sort through all the conflicts that come with being tempted in this way and maintaining a holy walk in spite of the temptations. Not to mention the emotional support they'll need to face the bullying, harassment, disdain and contempt they'll get from anyone who picks up on their inclinations.

In this era, I believe firmly that the devil does have a stronghold and will tempt heterosexual kids who are still developing their own identity to "experiment" with homosexual and bisexual activities. These are things that every parent needs to stay on top of and to firmly, lovingly but firmly, help their child to resist the devil and to remain pure.

The deep seated urge towards homosexuality that can show up as early as 2 though... slapping and punching a little kid for that... not recommended at all. There is a reason why the suicide rate for gay and lesbian teens is up to four times higher than hetero teens... All teens need their parents to help them... memories of being punched and slapped isn't going to generate the relationship that you need with your teen to complete your God given role in their lives and guide them through something as complicated as homosexuality.

The good news is, Christian parents who help their gay or lesbian child remain pure in the Lord, pure in their choices and help them resist the temptation to embrace homosexuality can experience the reward of watching their grandchildren grow up.

I remember my own friend who struggled with homosexuality for as long as he could remember. His parents wouldn't allow him to wear girl underpants and lipstick like he wanted (not for silly play, he wanted to wear these things to places like church). They didn't punch or slap him, but were loving and firm. They prayed with him and for him and always encouraged him....

I just reconnected with him via Facebook last week. He and his wife have been happily married now for over 25 years and they have two very beautiful daughters, 18 and 14 years old. There was one photo of his parents and his daughters and, after getting over how much his folks have aged since the last time I saw them, I was thinking how blessed they were for being caring, understanding and patient with their son as he struggled through this and how they can enjoy their final years on this planet with a loving family.

 

[K stunna]

I think of it as "Discipline"

Just so you know im 16 and i can tell you i've been heavily "Disciplined" threw out my Whole life and right now i can tell you that im very proud and happy that i was and still am, i learned a lot from it and rarely made those mistakes again after my parents "Disciplined" me for them. :yes

Its a way to show your children what is wrong or right. For Example if your kid takes something that is not his you may slap him/her on the wrist and without even saying anything and with doing it enough times the kid will put two and two together and see that their is consequences in everytime he/she does that and will most likely not do it again. Its a deterring them from doing the wrong things.

I understand their are different strategies in disciplining kids. I understand that certain kids deal better with a "Stern talking to" and some like me "A slap on the wrist or Spanking".

I do not believe in "Punching" your kids though. Mostly cause my dad never punched me but i got many spankings and sometimes some with his belt. Mostly cause punching is a little bit more ruff and dangerous if you hava a small child.

For the most part a agree with his message, in trying to deter your kids from things that will be harmful in the future for them and not letting that seed that the devil implanted in him/her grow. ;)

 

[handy]

Oh I agree with discipline... even physical punishment at times... received it as a kid and meted it out to my own... matter of fact I mom-whapped my 14 year old just yesterday...

However, you can't beat homosexuality out of a homosexual. If it was that easy, there probably wouldn't be that many because homosexuals get beat up quite a bit... both in the form of being smacked around by parents and by others. It's a bit more complicated that the kind of mistakes everyone makes...like mouthing off to mom.

Homosexuality can be effectively dealt with in one way and one way only... the homosexual becoming a new creation in the Lord. And, parents are often the avenue that God uses to bring children to Christ...

As Ephesians 6 states, "Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord." By providing a homosexual son or daughter the discipline and instruction of the Lord, a parent then helps equip their child to stand firm against this temptation.

We all deal with temptation... Every one of us. But, the temptation that a homosexual goes through is very hard because even the temptation itself is considered abhorrent.

If a guy watches a pretty girl walk by and is tempted to lust, for most people that's completely understandable and might even get a "wink, wink, nudge, nudge"... Same guy looking the same way at another guy and the contempt and disdains floods out.

Gays are going to have to face living in the extremes out in the world... They will be screamed at, even physically assaulted for being perverted... at the same time a huge segment from activists, TV's shows, media, and some "Christians" who consider themselves wiser than those ignorant folks in the Scriptures are going to tell them they are beautiful, wonderful and should be loud and proud.

Parents who can provide the balance they need, affirming the Lord's sacrificial love for them yet not condoning or excusing the sinfulness of homosexual sex can go a long way towards helping a gay or lesbian child/teen to overcoming and walking victoriously...

For the most part a agree with his message, in trying to deter your kids from things that will be harmful in the future for them and not letting that seed that the devil implanted in him/her grow. ;)

:yes I agree too... I just question the effectiveness of the method. We do need to help our kids stand firm against this and all temptation.

 

[CalledToServe]

I have to ask this question, "Would Jesus beat a homosexual just for being a homosexual or would He love them for who they are as a person?"

 

[handy]

I have to ask this question, "Would Jesus beat a homosexual just for being a homosexual or would He love them for who they are as a person?"

I don't know... He doesn't beat me for having been a liar and and being covetous.

 

[CalledToServe]

I don't know... He doesn't beat me for having been a liar and and being covetous.

That would be the answer. I have a severe disdain for pastors who think that the only thing that will fix a "problem" is to beat it out of your kids. In my eyes, this pastor is advocating child abuse that it mental, physical, verbal, and spiritual. No child deserves to be put through it.

 

[DarkHorseRising]

This makes as much sense as that nutjob who claimed God commanded him to kick an old lady. You can't beat someone into holiness, as the Spanish Inquisition has demonstrated.

(He also claimed God commanded him to divorce his disabled wife for his younger secretary, so maybe we should keep an eye on Pastor Harris)

 

[jasoncran]

i wasnt slapped into repentance for being a bi male. sorry i cant watch that video so i will take doras word. i find that idea that a man of god would suggest doing that to one of the lbgt make them utter too much to watch nor listen.

 

[Milk-Drops]

I lost it and couldn't listen any more once he told parents to break a kid's wrist if it was limp. The guy has some masculinity issues.

 

[reba]

Some fancy writer once said something like 'Thou doest protest too much'


Looking in this guys closet might be creepy but interesting....

When the CREEP wears a collar , so to speak, he is a worser CREEP

 

[Chris.]

What do I think of this Guy? I have avery, very low opinion of him and wouldn't waste my time of day giving him any more attention.

 

[Christ_empowered]

Wouldn't work. My parents--more so my mom, weirdly enough--would get on me for being too quiet, too timid, too introverted, etc. when I was growing up. Did it help? Ummm....no. God helped...that didn't.

If at all possible, male children who show signs of gender issues and/or gay tendencies should be gently shown how to be appropriately masculine. That's what I think, anyway. Based on the lesbians I've known...that behavior seems less closely connected to gender disturbances, so I don't know what you do there.

 

[reba]

What do I think of this Guy? I have avery, very low opinion of him and wouldn't waste my time of day giving him any more attention.

A big dose of his own medicine hammer him into submission ...

A simple rebuke kick the dust off the feet and be gone...

 

[emptytomb]

To me this approach is somewhat shortsighted. If we were beaten every time we sinned, we would be perpetually bruised and broken. The "Spare the rod and Spoil the child" has been greatly abused in this manner. With Christ being the Great Shepherd, why does his "Rod" and "Staff" comfort us? (Psalm 23) The rod is used to change our direction, not by beating the sheep into a pulp though. The staff isn't for us, that is the heavier and more destructive tool. That is what the Shepherd would use to drive the wolves away.

Besides which how can you beat out sin? To me it is sin begetting sin. How is this driving anyone, who has perverse sexual thoughts to Christ? I'm not just talking of homosexuality here. Fornication, adultery and pornography are just the same in relation to sin.

We are to fall on the rock and break into pieces, but for the rock to fall on us we would be ground into dust. I think the underlying fault with this "Pastor" is his understanding of sin. I don't remember the Apostle Paul saying that after he had beaten their homosexuality out of them that they were washed and sanctified. (1Cor.6:9-11)

 

[Free]

What an ignoramous. It seems to me that that pastor does not know the Bible at all, much less the gospel. It is astounding that the congregation is in agreement and even finds it funny. I cannot help but wonder how many of them would stop laughing if he said they should go punch adulterers? What about liars?

Such pastors and churches are one of the main reasons many aren't Christians and never will be, or aren't anymore. It makes me sick as a Christian to hear that garbage and know that some "Christians" think that is okay.

 

[handy]

Harris is trying to backtrack on this... I read on his website that he never said "gay" or "lesbian" or "beat"... therefore his comments are being "taken out of context"...

Frankly I think the man is being a bit disingenuous.

Here is a comment I read on one website about this:

"Interesting that so many Christians walked out on the recent speech by Dan Savage saying that the Bible should not be used as an excuse to bully gays. But here's the church full of Christians listening to the preacher telling parents to physically abuse their children if their boys act a bit feminine or the girls act a bit masculine. And nobody walked out at all!"

That my friends is something worth considering.