What Does Bible Say About Tithing?

[farouk]

Church doctrine in the New Testament does not teach mandatory tithing,hey, it does not teach tithing at all! All one has to do is read the bible with a heart that loves truth and it is as plain as anything can be. If a christian wants to tithe then that is fine and dandy, however if one claims it is a command to the church then they need to reexamine church doctrine found in the NT.

Sam21:

Yes, I would agree about the distinction of the Old and New Testaments here.

Tithes were supposed to be collected by the Levites. (Where are the New Testament's Levites?)

But it's good to give with a cheerful heart.

 

[Cornelius]

There is no tithe in the New Testament. It has been replaced by "cheerful giving"

The Apostles prayed about what the Gentiles should do regarding "laws" and here is the answer the Holy Spirit gave them : Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
Act 15:29 that ye abstain from things sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication; from which if ye keep yourselves, it shall be well with you. Fare ye well.

 

[farouk]

There is no tithe in the New Testament. It has been replaced by "cheerful giving"

The Apostles prayed about what the Gentiles should do regarding "laws" and here is the answer the Holy Spirit gave them : Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
Act 15:29 that ye abstain from things sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication; from which if ye keep yourselves, it shall be well with you. Fare ye well.

C:

Exactly.

Ppl need to get the dispensations sorted out, else there will be latter-day Levites in the church pulpit, etc.

 

[Cornelius]

C:

Exactly.

Ppl need to get the dispensations sorted out, else there will be latter-day Levites in the church pulpit, etc.

Amen.

Jesus called tithing "of the Law" and we are no longer under the Law. Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye tithe mint and anise and cummin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law, ......

Besides, they never tithed money. They tithed spices ....cummin, mint and anise

 

[guerrilasaint]

Are you serious! God has given us life the universe a brain, everything and you want to know if you should tithe our not! Wow people who do you call lord over your life.

First off the tithe is not a part of the law it was before the law. (check out Abram and Melchizedek in genesis. )

Second off remember Jesus didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. Not only did he fulfill it but he rose the standard of the law. Don't commit adultery but also don't look upon a woman with lust.

this is a heart thing. We are stewards of everything God has given us and you want to sit on it like the rich man and Lazarus?

No you don't have to tithe to get into heaven but then that call into question wither God is actually lord over your life. Are you giving Him your all? becasue that is what He requires. What is the greatest commandment? To love the lord your God with all of your heart with all your soul and with all your mind.

What did Jesus say to the rich man? Sale everything and give it all to the poor and then come follow me. Why do you think he said that to him? Why do you think the man left and was sad.

No God doesn't need your money becasue it is his money. God doesn't even need to give you anything becasue it is his. "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s."

 

[Strangelove]

Are you serious! God has given us life the universe a brain, everything and you want to know if you should tithe our not! Wow people who do you call lord over your life.

First off the tithe is not a part of the law it was before the law. (check out Abram and Melchizedek in genesis. )

Second off remember Jesus didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. Not only did he fulfill it but he rose the standard of the law. Don't commit adultery but also don't look upon a woman with lust.

this is a heart thing. We are stewards of everything God has given us and you want to sit on it like the rich man and Lazarus?

No you don't have to tithe to get into heaven but then that call into question wither God is actually lord over your life. Are you giving Him your all? becasue that is what He requires. What is the greatest commandment? To love the lord your God with all of your heart with all your soul and with all your mind.

What did Jesus say to the rich man? Sale everything and give it all to the poor and then come follow me. Why do you think he said that to him? Why do you think the man left and was sad.

No God doesn't need your money becasue it is his money. God doesn't even need to give you anything becasue it is his. "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s."

So are you for or against a mandatory tithe for church members?

 

[Cornelius]

Are you serious! God has given us life the universe a brain, everything and you want to know if you should tithe our not! Wow people who do you call lord over your life.

First off the tithe is not a part of the law it was before the law. (check out Abram and Melchizedek in genesis. )

Second off remember Jesus didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. Not only did he fulfill it but he rose the standard of the law. Don't commit adultery but also don't look upon a woman with lust.

this is a heart thing. We are stewards of everything God has given us and you want to sit on it like the rich man and Lazarus?

No you don't have to tithe to get into heaven but then that call into question wither God is actually lord over your life. Are you giving Him your all? becasue that is what He requires. What is the greatest commandment? To love the lord your God with all of your heart with all your soul and with all your mind.

What did Jesus say to the rich man? Sale everything and give it all to the poor and then come follow me. Why do you think he said that to him? Why do you think the man left and was sad.

No God doesn't need your money becasue it is his money. God doesn't even need to give you anything becasue it is his. "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s."

Everything we have must belong to the Lord, not just a tithe.God says give so we must give, and we must not stop at 10% We belong to the Lord and does everything we have.

Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 and they sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all, according as any man had need.

That is the true Christian life. Tithing is not. We must share all we have with our brothers and sisters around us. When we see a need we are able to meet, we must meet it.

Tithing shifts the responsibility to the "church". But that is wrong, because we are the church, we are the body of Christ and we must look after them ourselves.

Give and you shall receive. But you will receive in the same manner your give. God love a cheerful giver. Give until it hurts you own pocket. Not to ministries ! but to your brothers and sisters around you. Open your eyes and see the need that is right next to you. its everywhere, we do not have to look very far.

There are Christians who cannot afford to pay their monthly expenses.Help them. Give money, pay rent for them, give food. Share , take them into your home if need be. Be like Christ to them and make a difference. Be love in action.

blessings
C

 

[Theofilus]

Are you serious! God has given us life the universe a brain, everything and you want to know if you should tithe our not! Wow people who do you call lord over your life.

First off the tithe is not a part of the law it was before the law. (check out Abram and Melchizedek in genesis. )

Second off remember Jesus didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. Not only did he fulfill it but he rose the standard of the law. Don't commit adultery but also don't look upon a woman with lust.

this is a heart thing. We are stewards of everything God has given us and you want to sit on it like the rich man and Lazarus?

No you don't have to tithe to get into heaven but then that call into question wither God is actually lord over your life. Are you giving Him your all? becasue that is what He requires. What is the greatest commandment? To love the lord your God with all of your heart with all your soul and with all your mind.

What did Jesus say to the rich man? Sale everything and give it all to the poor and then come follow me. Why do you think he said that to him? Why do you think the man left and was sad.

No God doesn't need your money becasue it is his money. God doesn't even need to give you anything becasue it is his. "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s."

Welcome to the forum.

The tithe is mentioned once, I believe, before the law was given at Sinai. It is stated that a tenth was given, but it is not commanded. There are a couple of other things that are also mentioned, but not commanded, before the Sinai covenant.

The Sabbath.

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. (Gen. 2:2-3 KJV)​

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Ex. 20:10-11 KJV)​

The Sabbath goes all the way back to the creation. The fact that God rested from His creative work on the seventh day is given as the reason for our resting from our work on the same day.

Dietary laws.

Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. (Gen. 7:2 KJV)​

Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean animals. This means that the rules about what animals are fit for human consumption and sacrifice were already in existance before his time.

Since you are new here and possibly haven't read the entire thread, you may well have missed it, but I posted something earlier about the need for consistancy. If the tithe is valid today based on the fact that it existed before the Sinai covenant, does that mean that we should also be keeping the Sabbath on the seventh day and following the dietary laws? Would our obedience to these commands not be just as good an indicator of whether God is Lord over our lives?

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

It seems that we often tend to confuse giving and the tithe, and that is why I started this thread. It is my hope that we can clearly define what the tithe was so that we can get beyond this issue and come to a proper understanding and some agreement as it pertains to the christian and giving. In addition, it is my hope that we can see that what the NT tells saints to give is far more reaching than the financial. We must understand that our Lord wants, expects, and deserves for us to consitantly give a full self sacrifice.

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

Is it true that by giving to the church or to some religious sponsored organization that the Christian is giving to God? Does the "tithe" have any parallel or mandate for the the church? Is it true that the Christian "laity" is under obligation to support the "clergy?" Does the teaching of Paul to "muzzle not the ox that is treading ..." really have a parallel to the support received by the modern "preacher", "evangelist", "pastor", or "teacher"? Does the injunction of Paul to "lay by in store" on the first day of the week equate to the weekly contributions collected by the churches today?

All good questions IMHO.

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

http://www.biblepages.net/im01.htm

 

[Deborah13]

Does the injunction of Paul to "lay by in store" on the first day of the week equate to the weekly contributions collected by the churches today?

On this one, I don't think so, unless the weekly offering was going to feed the poor, those without food, clothes, etc. This offering that Paul was asking for was to go to Jerusalem where there was famine.

 

[Deborah13]

Is it true that by giving to the church or to some religious sponsored organization that the Christian is giving to God? Does the "tithe" have any parallel or mandate for the the church? Is it true that the Christian "laity" is under obligation to support the "clergy?" Does the teaching of Paul to "muzzle not the ox that is treading ..." really have a parallel to the support received by the modern "preacher", "evangelist", "pastor", or "teacher"? Does the injunction of Paul to "lay by in store" on the first day of the week equate to the weekly contributions collected by the churches today?

1.Is it true that by giving to the church or to some religious sponsored organization that the Christian is giving to God?
Yes, if what they do with the money is in spent in doing the things of God. Jesus said, that when we give a cup of water it is the same as giving it to Him.

2.Does the "tithe" have any parallel or mandate for the the church?
No We are to give from the heart, not grudgingly, and not be stingy about it.

3.Is it true that the Christian "laity" is under obligation to support the "clergy?"
Whatever the laity has agreed to with the clergy, they should do. It depends on the size of the church and the demands on the pastor, as to the amount?

4.Does the teaching of Paul to "muzzle not the ox that is treading ..." really have a parallel to the support received by the modern "preacher", "evangelist", "pastor", or "teacher"?
I'm not sure what the question really is. I suspect it may be that some evangelist have a lot of money. This is my thoughts on that. I have absolutely no problem with an evangelist having a jet. It's just another form of transportation so that they can get around quickly with their support people. If they all paid for airplane tickets and all the messy delays, etc. Yike. I am also aware of some of the awesome works that some of them do for the poor, etc. James Robinson for instance drills water wells in Africa, among other things. My husband especially likes that mission. Joyce Meyers, feeds poor kids after school everyday, some of them that is all they will eat until they go to school the next morning. She has other worthy ministries as well for the poor. Andrew Wommack, trains disciples for the mission field. They have started satellite schools all over the world, training local people to go out to preach the Gospel. His daily TV teachings are given away free on CD, every single day, all over the world. All these things take money. I can't drill a well in Africa but I can team up with other Christians to get that done. Clean water for sick children, get them well, too.
So when these evangelists get their DONATIONS, they don't get tithes, and they use most of that money for God's work, I don't have a problem. Oh, and I know sometimes the cars, airplanes, boats etc. are gifts that wealthy people have given to them personally, as gifts. That's not any of my business!

 

[ejected]

The clergy/ laity construct is not mandated by the new covenant.

 

[Brother Mike]

The clergy/ laity construct is not mandated by the new covenant.

1Ti 5:18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

Paul talks a lot about giving. I would be embarrassed if my Pastor had to drive a beat up car and could hardly afford his bills.

Tithing:

Gen 28:20 And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on,
Gen 28:21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God:
Gen 28:22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

This not a command, or law as Jacob had yet to get the Law. He vowed to God that He would give a tenth if the Lord would take care of him. We are Abraham's seed who also Abraham tithed. We are the seed of great tithers, those that gave God the 10th of all that came in. We are blessed with Faithful Abraham and all his seed.

Jacob started out with just a stick, and ended up with great wealth.

The Lord speaks!!!

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

God must have changed his views on stealing from him. Theft is no longer theft it appears though we are the seed of Jacob, through our head seed of Abraham. I guess God is fickle that way, never really knowing what theft is from one day to the next.

I for one if told thou shalt not steal, and God never mentioned that keeping the tithe was no longer stealing, then just as I am the seed of and blessed in that seed, I will tithe and be blessed of all that comes in my house, Putting God first before bills, family, and my wants. My supply is the Lord, and I will put God first in everything.

The rest of you can keep your money, and forget what Seed you are, or where your blessed with. God changes when it suits you, and theft is not theft, adultery is not adultery and the list will not stop. For me though, I believe what God said, and changed not, and in this I know my tithe is blessed and honored of God.

Mike.

 

[farouk]

Freewill offerings and tithing are distinct. Tithing was linked with the Levites in the Old Testament; I would have dispensational problems if people tried to carry forward Levitical tithes into the New Testament.

But if people want to give offerings of a tenth or more than a tenth of their income today, then more power to them. Doctrinally, though, it's different from what was linked with the Levites.

 

[Elijah674]

The problem is who does one support in 'tithing'? (this is the question)

But it is a mandate! Christ says...
[1] Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
[2] Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
[3] All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.

There is nothing there about not robbing God in [BOTH] tithe & offerings! Mal. 3:8

--Elijah

 

[turnorburn]

Its a personal relationship we're talking about here we could muster up some good verses to back up our personal opinions but the freedom we have in Christ did away with such things. Paul said that all things were lawful for him but not expedient if you want to be bound by rules and regulations let that be between you and your maker but it won't be scriptural. An example "the widows mite" she gave everything she had and realized it still wasn't enough and Jesus said she had it right, in my book you give what you feel is necessary 5% 10% 50% 100% take your pick..

God loves a cheerful giver

tob

 

[Elijah674]

Its a personal relationship we're talking about here we could muster up some good verses to back up our personal opinions but the freedom we have in Christ did away with such things. Paul said that all things were lawful for him but not expedient if you want to be bound by rules and regulations let that be between you and your maker but it won't be scriptural. An example "the widows mite" she gave everything she had and realized it still wasn't enough and Jesus said she had it right, in my book you give what you feel is necessary 5% 10% 50% 100% take your pick..

God loves a cheerful giver

tob

Heb. 13: 8 says it different. Or God, the one we call Jehovah, as seen in Mal. 3:6.
And the widows mite? Surely you are not calling this 'tithe'??

But, just do your thing?? Malachi 3:8??

--Elijah

 

[turnorburn]

I believe Jesus saw it as such..

tob