Bible Study what does bible say about wearing a beard ? and shaving it ? ( full explination )

[YosefHayim]

The Bible teaches that men should have beards and not destroy them by creating baldness on their face. I will post a study on this if anyone is interested.

Do so.

 

[jocor]

This gives us nothing. The passage in Eph 2 is about the making one of man out of two, about the mystery of the Gentiles receiving salvation from God. What was the main difference between the Jews and the Gentiles, that which divided them, that which was meant to keep the Jews distinct as God's own people? The Law of Moses.

By fulfilling and abolishing the Law of Moses through his death and resurrection, he removed the division between Jew and Gentile, who then both have the same "access in one Spirit to the Father" (Eph 2:18, ESV). That is the whole point.

Again, there simply is no command for Christians to follow regarding facial hair. Each to his own. To make it a command for Christians is to descend into legalism.

Ah, the old "legalism" card. I was wondering when someone would play it. You need to learn the difference between legalism and obedience out of love as 1 John 5:3 teaches.

The Law of Moses did not divide Jew and Gentile. Any Gentile was free to join Israel and become part of that nation. In fact, the Law of Moses made provision for any Gentile to join Israel and become as one born in the land:

Exo 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to YHWH, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
Exo 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.​

Even if a Gentile (stranger) did not want to join Israel, he was still subject to the Law of Moses:

Lev 24:22 Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am YHWH your Elohim.
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This was the case UNTIL the Jew's decided Yahweh's way was not good enough and decided to make their own commandments regulating the Gentiles among them. They created a wall of separation between the two that just bred hatred and destroyed the peaceful coexistence they had for about a thousand years. That hatred continued for the next several hundred years until Yeshua tore down that wall made of dogma and united the two people once again. Now that we are all one in the Body of Messiah, we all get to keep the laws Yahweh gave through Moses.

If you choose to destroy your beard, so be it. I choose to maintain the appearance that Yahweh chose to create me with. To do otherwise is to say to Him, "I don't like the way you created me, so I'm going to change it."

 

[jocor]

Tit 1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
Tit 1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
Tit 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
Tit 1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
Tit 1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
Tit 1:13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
Tit 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Tit 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Your point? Are you trying to say my mouth must be stopped because I am a defiled, unbelieving reprobate and am denying Yahweh by my works?

 

[ezra]

romans 8: 2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Colossians 2:20-23King James Version (KJV)
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. once again in all honesty there is nothing under the new covenant that says wear or do not wear a beard. i noticed do not round of the corners of your hair.....do you get a hair cut? yes the law was our school master till Christ came... the law points toward sin ..we simply can not mix GRACE and law together

 

[eddif]

Isaiah 50:6
I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.

Jesus did not mar his beard to be seen as righteous, but others marred his body.

Most symbols ultimately have a much deeper meaning than what we see. Jesus is the reality / body that casts the shadow.

Matthew 23:5
But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

May our inner dress be what pleases God. May our garment of praise be worn in the closet, with the door shut as we pray.

Rednecks see through welding lenses
eddif

 

[Roro1972]

11 Corin 3
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

 

[jocor]

romans 8: 2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The "law of sin and death" is NOT the Law of Yahweh (the Law of Moses). It is a law/principle that takes effect when the Law of Yahweh is broken. When we break the law, we sin (1 John 3:4). When we sin, we die (Romans 6:23a). Yeshua freed us from that law of cause and effect. Now, when we sin by breaking Yahweh's law, we do not die because he already died for us. That does not mean all law codes are now abolished. Only the penalty of death for breaking the law is abolished. Yeshua said to "Go and sin no more." In other words, "Go and do not break the law any more."

Colossians 2:20-23King James Version (KJV)

20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

My point exactly. This passage clearly shows that the "ordinances" (Greek - dogmatizo) are the commandments and doctrines of MEN, not of Yahweh.

once again in all honesty there is nothing under the new covenant that says wear or do not wear a beard. i noticed do not round of the corners of your hair.....do you get a hair cut? yes the law was our school master till Christ came... the law points toward sin ..we simply can not mix GRACE and law together

Yes, I get a haircut, but I do not shave the borders of my head bald. Yahweh allows haircuts. He forbids making our heads bald on purpose.

Two men were arguing about the meaning of grace:
One said: "Because of His grace, I need not do anything of my own."
The other replied: "Because of His grace, I need do everything for His throne."
The first countered: "For me grace is plus nothing - no works I must do."
The other said: "For me grace is plus something - walking worthy of His blood."

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin (break the law - 1 John 3:4), because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
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Being under grace does not give us license to break the law (sin). It should move us to obey the law (not sin) unto righteousness.

 

[jocor]

Isaiah 50:6
I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting.

Jesus did not mar his beard to be seen as righteous, but others marred his body.

Most symbols ultimately have a much deeper meaning than what we see. Jesus is the reality / body that casts the shadow.

Matthew 23:5
But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,

May our inner dress be what pleases God. May our garment of praise be worn in the closet, with the door shut as we pray.

Rednecks see through welding lenses
eddif

Yeshua grew his beard and did not destroy it because he loved his Father and always obeyed him as should we as we follow his example of obedience. It is the purified inner man that leads to obedience to all commandments whether they pertain to the inward or outward man. The Jews did things wrong because they wanted to be seen as righteous before men. Those who love Yahweh obey Him because they want to please Him and be like His Son Yeshua, sinless. A lofty goal indeed, but utterly impossible when one abolishes the law, for by the law is the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20).

 

[eddif]

Romans 2:14
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

I Corinthians 9:9
For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

I Timothy 1:8
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

Jew and Gentile are one in Christ.
Every man has creation to learn from
Romans 1:19-20
The law uses creation spiritually (on the edge of my understanding a lot of times). All points to Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

eddif

 

[jocor]

11 Corin 3
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the veil is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the veil shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

I totally agree that the New Covenant Is far more glorious than the old. I am a NC believer. I do not live under the OC. The OC was the mere letter of the law written on stone and it brought forth death. Under the NC, we have the indwelling Spirit that helps us to obey the law which is now written on our hearts.

Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YHWH, I will put my law (Torah) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
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[jocor]

Romans 2:14
For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Paul is showing how the Gentiles, before coming to Messiah, will be judged. They would naturally do things contained in the law like not murdering, stealing, dishonoring parents, etc., although there are exceptions, because these things were written in their hearts and against their conscience. The Jews, on the other hand, boasted in the law, but did not keep it. Yet, there are many things that the law commands, but that Gentiles do not keep. Unbelieving Gentiles will be judged apart from the law, but unbelieving Jews will be judged by the law. Once one receives Yeshua as Savior it is a whole new issue in which all of Torah is written on everyone's heart and the Spirit given to enable the keeping of it.

I Corinthians 9:9
For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

Why did Paul quote this if the law was abolished? The fact is, it wasn't abolished. We, living under the New Covenant, should never muzzle an ox that treads the corn. One way that Yahweh takes care of oxen is through us obeying this command. Yes, there is also a figurative way of keeping this command, but the figurative does not abolish the literal application.

I Timothy 1:8
But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

How true! Let's use the law lawfully, not unlawfully as the Jews did by using it as a means of justification.

Jew and Gentile are one in Christ.
Every man has creation to learn from
Romans 1:19-20
The law uses creation spiritually (on the edge of my understanding a lot of times). All points to Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

eddif

Creation is full of laws that govern its existence. Everything obeys Yahweh's laws of nature/creation. Remove those laws and the creation will eventually cease to exist. The church has done a great disservice to mankind by preaching against the Law of Yahweh. We set a poor example to this world by not obeying His commandments. I choose not to join in on such licentiousness.

 

[ezra]

well i do shave and i have no beard

 

[Deborah13]

A similar commandment is found in Lev.21:1-6. These verses pertain to the priests, Aaron and his sons. Believers today are said to be priests as well, so this commandment could spiritually apply to us. But even if it doesn't we can see Yahweh's feelings concerning creating baldness on ones head. Not only would the priest defile or profane himself but he would also profane the name of Yahweh (vs 6). It was holiness to a priest to remain unshaven. According to the Talmud, young priests whose beards had not yet grown were not permitted to bless the people (TJ, Suk. 3:14, 54a).

Lev.21:16-23 tells us about the seed of Aaron that are blemished. Whenever something happens to a priest that alters the image that he was created with, he becomes blemished. That is why Yahweh told them not to create baldness on their head or face. They could not serve as priests until they were healed again.

Of what priesthood are Christians, Levitical or Messianic? Yeshua was not called according to Aaron and the Levitical priesthood so why would His disciples be called to the Levitical priesthood?

Heb 7:11 If indeed, then, perfection were through the Levitical priesthood--for the people under it had received law--what further need, according to the order of Melchizedek, for another priest to arise, and not to be called according to the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 for the priesthood being changed, of necessity also, of the law a change doth come,
Heb 7:13 for he of whom these things are said in another tribe hath had part, of whom no one gave attendance at the altar,
Heb 7:14 for it is evident that out of Judah hath arisen our Lord, in regard to which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

 

[jocor]

well i do shave and i have no beard

No problem Ezra. I used to be clean shaven as well until the Holy Spirit through the Word taught me not to destroy my beard.

 

[jocor]

Of what priesthood are Christians, Levitical or Messianic? Yeshua was not called according to Aaron and the Levitical priesthood so why would His disciples be called to the Levitical priesthood?

Heb 7:11 If indeed, then, perfection were through the Levitical priesthood--for the people under it had received law--what further need, according to the order of Melchizedek, for another priest to arise, and not to be called according to the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 for the priesthood being changed, of necessity also, of the law a change doth come,
Heb 7:13 for he of whom these things are said in another tribe hath had part, of whom no one gave attendance at the altar,
Heb 7:14 for it is evident that out of Judah hath arisen our Lord, in regard to which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

I did not say Yeshua's disciples are called to the Levitical priesthood. I was simply using the earthly priesthood to teach a spiritual parallel as Christian teachers do all the time. For example, if Christian pastors are not Levitical priests, why do they always collect tithes? Should we embrace spiritual parallels only when they profit us, but reject them when they call us to make harder choices?

We are not told what priesthood we belong to. However, we are told to follow our High Priest's example. He had a beard and so should his male followers.

BTW, the law that was changed in verse 12 only pertains to the law stating from which tribe the High Priest must come. That law was changed prior to Yeshua's first coming through the oath that Yahweh made in Psalm 110:4.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

I totally agree that the New Covenant Is far more glorious than the old. I am a NC believer. I do not live under the OC. The OC was the mere letter of the law written on stone and it brought forth death. Under the NC, we have the indwelling Spirit that helps us to obey the law which is now written on our hearts.

Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YHWH, I will put my law (Torah) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
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We believe that the OC/old and the NC/New is good for all issues: Matthew 26:56
But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled. and 2 Timothy 3:16-17King James Version (KJV)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[jocor]

We believe that the OC/old and the NC/New is good for all issues: Matthew 26:56

I agree. However, we can only live under one of those two. We learn from both, but live under the new.

 

[Free]

I'm going to bow out. There simply is no point in a discussion where someone clearly ignores the NT teaching that the Law of Moses is fulfilled and done away with. This is just unbiblical legalism.

jocor, read Galatians, as starting point.

 

[jocor]

I'm going to bow out. There simply is no point in a discussion where someone clearly ignores the NT teaching that the Law of Moses is fulfilled and done away with. This is just unbiblical legalism.

jocor, read Galatians, as starting point.

I did that long ago and found that Paul was not coming against the Law of Moses, but the erroneous use of the Law as a means to justification.

I do not ignore the NT teaching. I ignore the Christian teaching. Big difference.

 

[reba]

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy