What does condemnation mean?

[MisterE]

One doesnt ordain themselves to eternal life, that's Gods doing. Please dont put man in the place of God. You need to study the greek passive voice !

I have, quite a lot actually. What part of the Passive do I need to study?

 

[brightfame52]

Here is the truth.

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

If Jesus said “whoever is saved will believe in Me” then you would have a point.

But Jesus did not say that, did He.

He said just the opposite.

• whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

The unsaved become saved by believing the Gospel message of salvation. The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation for a person to believe.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Romans 1:16

Thats backwards, the saved believes the Gospel, the ones who are regenerated and ordained to eternal life Acts 13:48

 

[brightfame52]

I have, quite a lot actually. What part of the Passive do I need to study?

Its in the passive voice,men dont ordain themselves to eternal life, thats Gods business

 

[JLB]

Thats backwards, the saved believes the Gospel, the ones who are regenerated and ordained to eternal life Acts 13:48

No where in scripture does any verse say or teach that people are saved before they hear and believe in Jesus Christ.


That would be a Christ-less salvation.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

Only those who believe are saved.

 

[brightfame52]

No where in scripture does any verse say or teach that people are saved before they hear and believe in Jesus Christ.


That would be a Christ-less salvation.

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

Only those who believe are saved.

It doesnt teach it to you in scripture. However only the saved can and will believe the Gospel. The Gospel is hid to the lost 2 Cor 4:3

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

 

[JLB]

It doesnt teach it to you in scripture. However only the saved can and will believe the Gospel. The Gospel is hid to the lost 2 Cor 4:3

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

Yes the lost need to hear the Gospel so they have the opportunity to obtain salvation.


Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
2 Timothy 2:10


This is why Paul was sent to preach the Gospel to the lost.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes the lost need to hear the Gospel so they have the opportunity to obtain salvation.


Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
2 Timothy 2:10


This is why Paul was sent to preach the Gospel to the lost.

The Gospel is hid to the lost, cant hear and believe what is hid from you. The knowledge of it is withheld. The word hid means:

to hide, veil

1. to hinder the knowledge of a thing

This is why Paul was sent to preach the Gospel to the lost.

No he wasnt sent to preach the Gospel to the lost, but to them who had faith. When writing to the Romans he wrote Rom 1:8,15

8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Then he said of them this in Vs 15
15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

Vs 17 tells us that the Gospel reveals the righteousness of God to faith

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein[The Gospel] is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

The Gospel isn't for people without faith !

 

[Indentured Servant]

I have intentionally made the topic rather vague to bring out the two aspects of condemnation. There are two, distinct condemnations mentioned in Scripture. The first condemnation is called 'positional' condemnation. This is given to each person born into the world. In other words, it is the condemnation of being "in Adam." See Romans 5 for the contrast between Christ and Adam's positional truth. God condemns each person who enters this world with positional condemnation (i.e., in Adam). With this positional condemnation, we are immediately born qualified to be the recipients of God's grace and mercy. This is illustrated in Rom 11.32.

The other condemnation is 'eternal' condemnation. This is what happens when a person rejects Christ as Savior, see Matt 12.37. A person is eternally condemned by rejecting Jesus as Savior. It is by his words that he is condemned. The important thing to remember is nobody is born eternally condemned, only positional condemnation. As an illustration of this, see 2 Sam 12. David's new born child died and went to Paradise. This is why David says he will see his son again, because there is no basic for the child's eternal condemnation, only positional condemnation.

Another important point to bring out is that unbelievers are not eternally condemned for their personal sins. All sins were paid for by Christ on the Cross. That is why the gospel is the good news to unbelievers. The issue is no longer sin, but a Son. Go to any judgment passage for believers or unbelievers, you will not see the word sin mentioned. For the believer, he goes to the Rewards Ceremony (mistranslated Judgment Seat of Christ) after being rewarded for his works. For the unbeliever, he goes to the Lake of Fire based on his works (his works will not get him into heaven). Not by works of righteousness which we have done...

The word actually means an adverse sentence. It is equivalent to a 'guilty verdict.'

If one is in Christ, they will not receive a guilty verdict. (Romans 8)

 

[JLB]

The Gospel is hid to the lost, cant hear and believe what is hid from you. The knowledge of it is withheld. The word hid means:

That’s why Paul went and preached to the elect so that they may also obtain salvation.

Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
2 Timothy 2:10

The gospel is the power of God for a person to receive salvation if they believe.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Romans 1:16

 

[brightfame52]

That’s why Paul went and preached to the elect so that they may also obtain salvation.

Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
2 Timothy 2:10

The gospel is the power of God for a person to receive salvation if they believe.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Romans 1:16

The Gospel is hid to the lost, cant hear and believe what is hid from you. The knowledge of it is withheld

 

[Christ_empowered]

The good news is foolishness to those perishing in the world .

The sheep know His voice…

Many are called but few are chosen.

Everything in scripture to me indicates an incredible amount of foreknowledge about Christian’s in particular on Gods end of things…

 

[follower]

The good news is foolishness to those perishing in the world .
The sheep know His voice…
Many are called but few are chosen.
Everything in scripture to me indicates an incredible amount of foreknowledge about Christian’s in particular on Gods end of things…

Important correction: It is written "His/ (My)" sheep know My Voice".
If others are called sheep I'm not so sure, but if they are not His, they don't know His Voice.

 

[follower]

No where in scripture does any verse say or teach that people are saved before they hear and believe in Jesus Christ.

Perhaps Romans 2.

Those who have not Torah, (no Bible), who DO what Torah Says To Do, Jesus Says they are JUSTIFIED. Those who have Torah (a Bible) , but DO NOT DO what Torah Says to do, are NOT JUSTIFIED.
So therefore be DOERS of the WORD and not merely hearers.

 

[JLB]

Perhaps Romans 2.

Those who have not Torah, (no Bible), who DO what Torah Says To Do, Jesus Says they are JUSTIFIED. Those who have Torah (a Bible) , but DO NOT DO what Torah Says to do, are NOT JUSTIFIED.
So therefore be DOERS of the WORD and not merely hearers.

Please post the scripture that says we are saved before we hear and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

What verse are you referring to in Romans 2?

 

[brightfame52]

Please post the scripture that says we are saved before we hear and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

What verse are you referring to in Romans 2?

Jesus says one must be of God to hear Gods words Jn 8:47

He that is of God heareth God’s words; ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.”

The man who is born of God can hear these words of God and the reason why you cannot hear the words of God is simply this, that you are not the sons of God.” Phillips

to be born of God is to be saved, so unless saved you cannot hear His word of the Gospel, the Word of God. We talking about spiritual things here, spiritual hearing that incites Faith

 

[JLB]

Jesus says one must be of God to hear Gods words Jn 8:47

John 8:47 does not say a person is born again without ever hearing and believing the Gospel.


Only those who hear and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ are saved.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9


If denotes the condition by which a person is saved.

The condition is to believe.

 

[brightfame52]

John 8:47 does not say a person is born again without ever hearing and believing the Gospel.


Only those who hear and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ are saved.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9


If denotes the condition by which a person is saved.

The condition is to believe.

Jesus told us who hears the words of God, the saved!

 

[JLB]

Jesus told us who hears the words of God, the saved!

You are just reading into the scripture what you have been indoctrinated to believe.


Again, there is no such scripture that teaches us we are saved before we hear the Gospel message of salvation.


If we are saved before we hear of Christ and the cross, then it’s a “Christ-less” salvation; one that does not exist in the scriptures.


Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Luke 8:12

• lest they should believe and be saved.

Only those who believe are saved.

 

[brightfame52]

You are just reading into the scripture what you have been indoctrinated to believe.


Again, there is no such scripture that teaches us we are saved before we hear the Gospel message of salvation.


If we are saved before we hear of Christ and the cross, then it’s a “Christ-less” salvation; one that does not exist in the scriptures.


Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
Luke 8:12

• lest they should believe and be saved.

Only those who believe are saved.

Jesus told us who hears the words of God, the saved! Jn 8:47

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

To be of God is to be saved friend.