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Bible Study What does it mean for the law to get nailed to the cross? (Col. 2:13-14/ Eph. 2:11-16)

Listening to Jethro seems like a good idea.
Proverbs 19:20 NIV
"Listen to advice and accept instruction
and in the end you will be wise."

However, please remember to get out of the car
every now and then!

Wondering
 
wondering said:
Listening to Jethro seems like a good idea.
Proverbs 19:20 NIV
"Listen to advice and accept instruction
and in the end you will be wise."

However, please remember to get out of the car
every now and then!

Wondering
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In Jethro's Bible it says "..and in the end you will be a wise guy".
 
Here's Reba with Jethro with one of the new girls on the forum .

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reba said:
Way northern California... and you wondering ?
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Hi Reba,
I'm sitting here having a good laugh. Nice to have a pleasant break from all the serious theology that goes on around here! Not that there's anything wrong with it...

I love Catlifornia. I'm VERY far away from you. Italy. Past 15 years. My daughter is here, married with family.
So that's how it went.

Wondering
 
Rollo Tamasi said:
Here's Reba with Jethro with one of the new girls on the forum .

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Pretty darn funny Rollo. But I have a feeling Reba is cute. Don't know about Jethro...??
Depends on whether we could come to some agreement on this sin nature thingy.

BTW, this was one of my favorite episodes. Unfortunately for me, I knew the ending way back at the beginning - science fiction fan - this has ruined many a movie.

W
 
wondering said:
But the reason Jesus' sacrifice is sufficient for all time, is because He's God incarnate.
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His sacrifice is sufficient because it met the requirement of the law, ie; an unblemished (sinless) male.

So the Law was able to be nailed to the cross because a final and eternal sacrifice was made and because God Himself made it through Jesus, His son AND the 2nd person of the Triune Godhead, since the LORD had said that He, Himself, would save His people not a "man" since man could not be perfect and the sacrifice required a perfect lamb.
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Yeshua was a 100% man and he was perfect because he kept the law perfectly.
 
wondering said:
What do you believe was nailed to the cross?
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Our sin debt.

How could a "man" make the sacrifice that would satisfy God?
Exodus 11 and 12 calls for a perfect lamb to be eaten. The "eaten" part would refer to communion.
The perfect part would refer to Jesus. No mere man could be sinless.
Romans 3:23
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Yeshua was 100% man and perfect.

Are you following the law? Are you following ceremonial and civil law? Or just the moral law?
If you've done away with ceremonial and civil law, why would you still be following moral law?
Jesus Himself said we're to follow moral law, Mathew 5:18
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I endeavor to keep every law that I can in this day and age. That includes the dietary laws, Feast Days, Ten Cs (7th day Sabbath included), wearing tzit tzits, not destroying my beard, etc. As for the "ceremonial and civil laws", that depends on what laws you put in those categories, ie; the Sabbath command is a moral law, not a ceremonial law.

In Mathew Jesus says that not the smallest letter of the Law shall pass away until all is accomplished.
Until what is accomplished? The fulfillment of the Law. And when was the Law fulfilled?
John 19:30 IT IS FINISHED
And what was finished? The demands of the Law. The debt that we have toward the Law.
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"Until all is accomplished" means just that. It includes the completion of the millennial Kingdom on Earth, the destruction of death and the grave, the Great White Throne Judgment, etc.

"It is finished" refers to Yeshua finishing the work of redemption/salvation that he came to do.

In paying the debt, the Law also becomes of null effect. What power does the Law have over me, if someone is willing to pay my debt? Rollo could use his old grey mare and go up to the saloon. When the sheriff gives him a ticket, someone will pay the ticket. That's pretty much the same as the law being laid aside. The Law has no effect on him - someone is taking care of the debt.

However, because Rollo is a man made righteous by knowing the sheriff, he won't WANT to park his mare at the saloon. He WILL obey the Law. But because he's righteous, not because he's AFRAID of the law.
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The Law has no power over you to condemn you to death. It remains as a guide to living in a pleasing way in Yahweh's sight. It is His revealed will to us. It is how we show our love to Yahweh (1 John 5:3).

If you live under the law, you will be judged by the law. Romans 2:12 speaks of how one living under the Law will be judged by that law. It goes on to say that man is a hypocrite because he teaches others what he himself does not do. It's impossible to keep the law - which is why it's dangerous to live under it.

Galatians 4:4.9 We were redeemed from the Law that we might receive adoption as sons so that we are no longer a slave. verse 9: Why would we turn back again to the weak and elemental things (which we serve while under the law).

Galatians 3:10 Those under the works of the Law are under a curse. Paul quotes here Deuteronomy 27:26
Cursed are they who do not abide by ALL THINGS written in the book of the Law.

So, Jocor, if someone doesn't abide by ALL THINGS written in the book of the Law, he will be under condemnation because he's trusting in the Law to save him instead of trusting in Jesus to save him. And Jesus can't save anyone if He's just a man. Those who trust in Him are being saved because they know they can't keep all the commandments and are trusting in Him and His fulfillment of them.

But God cannot be mocked. We are to keep the moral commandments to the best of our ability. But we are not to TRUST in them for our salvation ( through works ).

Wondering
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You seem to be under the mistaken belief that I am under the Law, that I am seeking to be saved by the Law instead of by faith in Yeshua, that I am justified by works. I am under grace, but grace does not remove the Law. I am saved by grace through faith, not my works. However, I am ordained unto good works which include obeying all of Yahweh's commandments. My obedience is a fruit of my salvation, not the means to it.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
And that is the part that most in the Protestant church don't accept. They see the law as being destroyed altogether, not fulfilled as long as they stay in the new way that makes the law inapplicable to them. They don't understand they have to maintain this new way to God (faith in Christ) that brings them close to Him, and that if they don't they will come back under the law that kept them away from God.

As long as Rollo Tamasi stays in the '76 Pacer.....I mean Christ.....the law legislating his distance from God's spring of living water can in no way hinder his closeness to that watering hole the way it did before. And that is the point that Colossians 2:13-14 and Ephesians 2:11-16 NASB are making. The law legislating that a certain distance be kept between Rollo Tamasi and God and communion with him through the Holy Spirit was abolished for him when he was legitimately brought near to God through Christ, in effect side stepping the law that kept him at a distance. Any debt of law he had prior to being in Christ was removed through Christ. That law was not destroyed, as many in the church insist. It got fulfilled in that when the owner of the spring looked at the law requiring his distance from the spring, he turned to Rollo and said, "I see no violation of law here. Drink up."
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Even though we are "in Christ", we can still commit works of the flesh. When we do so, we are breaking the Law whether it be witchcraft, idolatry, adultery, fornication, etc. The Law has never been abolished or destroyed. Any time we sin, we break the Law (1 John 3:4).
 
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