What does Joyce Meyers teach?

[jasonc]

It does not matter. Giving a compulsary amount is works based. If people think they must give a certain amount they are living under the law of God and have rejected the gospel of grace.

God is not interested in peoples tithes. He likes freely give, freely recieve, a good heart and a clean conscience.

You are complied to repent,do go works.

You are complied if a husband to teach,lead the house to jesus.God doesn't have commands and hold you accountable ?

Be baptised,parttake in the communion,for sake not the assembly. Paul gave commands. This is why I harp on you as you have no clue on what the bible teaches.

Go make disciples and baptize them.Jesus is a legalist.freely giving doesn't mean I have to ah well God I'm sorry. While it would be hypocrisy if I said I'm faithful on this, but it's a clear statement of what is important on what is found by your giving.

Money,it's not needed,nor is your time ,life,heart by God.it's to show God and the world that you truly do Love.

A church ,a ministry has to meet needs by money and will have to plan.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Yet it was OK for Pat to buy sell trade etc race horses... ?

It's okay to run a business.
Creflo $$ says that's how he made his money, not from the church.

A works based gospel is not a blessing.

Me and James beg to differ with you:

"22But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves. 23For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror; 24for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was. 25But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does." (James 1:22-25 NASB)

Blessing in the kingdom of God is based on obedience. It is justification that is based solely on faith in God's forgiveness. Because of all the various OSAS doctrines floating around, few in the church know they will not be blessed in what they do if they do not do right because they have been told over and over and over again that what they do doesn't mean anything. As a result they have accepted their cold, dead, defeated lives (in OSAS it doesn't matter anyway) as being just the normal way it is as a Christian. But if you hang around 'Full Gospel' believers who read and accept the whole Bible (except for, perhaps, the part about greed, lol) you will learn things that most churches simply gloss over and instantly dismiss because, as most in the church say, "works don't mean anything because salvation is by grace". The fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace...) only rises up and flows out of the person who does right.

 

[Corn Pop]

It's okay to run a business.
Creflo $$ says that's how he made his money, not from the church.


Me and James beg to differ with you:

"22But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves. 23For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror; 24for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was. 25But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does." (James 1:22-25 NASB)

Blessing in the kingdom of God is based on obedience. It is justification that is based solely on faith in God's forgiveness. Because of all the various OSAS doctrines floating around, few in the church know they will not be blessed in what they do if they do not do right because they have been told over and over and over again that what they do doesn't mean anything. As a result they have accepted their cold, dead, defeated lives (in OSAS it doesn't matter anyway) as being just the normal way it is as a Christian. But if you hang around 'Full Gospel' believers who read and accept the whole Bible (except for, perhaps, the part about greed, lol) you will learn things that most churches simply gloss over and instantly dismiss because, as most in the church say, "works don't mean anything because salvation is by grace". The fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace...) only rises up and flows out of the person who does right.

What is a doer of the word. Do you think it's giving 10% compulsary income?. As far as i can see a doer of the word obeys Jesus commandments that is to love one another.

 

[jasonc]

What is a doer of the word. Do you think it's giving 10% compulsary income?. As far as i can see a doer of the word obeys Jesus commandments that is to love one another.

There's more then one command by jesus.in context where Is the command to be baptized?


If you Love God,you will give money,time ,etc

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Money,it's not needed,nor is your time ,life,heart by God.it's to show God and the world that you truly do Love.

jasonc is nailing it.
kiwidan , read this passage very slowly and carefully.
"12This service that you perform (of giving) is not only supplying the needs of the Lord’s people but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God. 13Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, others will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else. " (1 Corinthians 9:12-13 NIV)

 

[Corn Pop]

"This service that you perform (of giving) is not only supplying the needs of the Lord’s people but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God."

Lol, yea right, like everyones giving is supplying the needs of the Lord's people lol, maybe a couple at the top, but i do agree its overflowing many thanks to God for the very few at the top who call there fat salarys and private jets and luxury abodes a blessing.

It must just be a coincedence that every famous Pastor lives in complete luxury, all those items they have that the ministry pays for are needs. Why the rest of the Lord's people in need get nothing.

 

[jasonc]

"This service that you perform (of giving) is not only supplying the needs of the Lord’s people but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God."

Lol, yea right, like everyones giving is supplying the needs of the Lord's people lol, maybe a couple at the top, but i do agree its overflowing many thanks to God for the very few at the top who call there fat salarys and private jets and luxury abodes a blessing.

We weren't talking about that. Give what You are able and Let God do the rest. He does not need us.

 

[Corn Pop]

If i spent even 100k a year on travel for 100 years, more than a lifetime, that would just cover the cost of a cheap 10 million private jet, not including fuel and maintainance and other costs.

But for some reason private jets are needed for God's elite.

I can just picture Jesus and the Apostle Paul in 2017 wearing nice suits and flying first class around the world in private jets preaching the gospel. Easier mode of transport than donkeys and sandals. Jesus rock up to Jerusalem in a new bentley.

Acturally maybe Jesus and Paul would fly cattle class and eat and drink with the sinners and share the gospel and Kingdom.

 

[reba]

We are to do what God asks us to do... and we are to not worry about the other guy...to a point

 

[reba]

Mat 20:1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
Mat 20:2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
Mat 20:3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
Mat 20:4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
Mat 20:5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
Mat 20:6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
Mat 20:7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
Mat 20:8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
Mat 20:9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
Mat 20:10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
Mat 20:11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
Mat 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
Mat 20:13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
Mat 20:14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
Mat 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

 

[Corn Pop]

Amazing how 2000 years they already spoke about a corrupt church and many false teachers had already gone out in the world, now 2000 years later everyone seems to think there are none.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

What is a doer of the word. Do you think it's giving 10% compulsary income?. As far as i can see a doer of the word obeys Jesus commandments that is to love one another.

Correct. Jesus' command is to love others. And giving our $$$ <cue the 'cha-ching' sound here> is one of those ways that we do that:

"17But whoever has the world’s goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him? 18Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth. 19We will know by this that we are of the truth" (1 John 3:17-18 NASB)

That is an example of the obedience that constitutes the 'doing' of the word. That obedience comes right out of the law (Deuteronomy 15:7 NASB) and as John shows us by the passage above it applies today for God's people. It's not tithing, it's not first fruits, it's not redemption money, it's not literal temple maintenance. It's simple love for those in need. What ended in regard to the law was the types and shadows of external worship which have been made unnecessary now by the new way of worshiping God through the circumcision, and Sabbath, and Day of Atonement (etc.) that are kept when we have faith in Christ.

We can't write off all giving of $$$ just because the church will always have Judas's around to help themselves to what's in the piggy bank (John 12:6 NASB). We would be disobedient, NOT doers of the word if we withheld material good from people we encounter who are in need. And as a result we will NOT be blessed. We may still be saved (assuming our disobedience is not because of outright unbelief in Christ), but we will not be blessed.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

kiwidan, do a little experiment today.
Take 5 kiwi's (dollars) and put it in your back pocket before you leave the house for the day. Determine that it is to only be used to bless someone else wherever and whenever the opportunity arises through the day. Don't make the opportunity, wait for the opportunity. Ask God to create and lead you to the opportunity. Give the money to whoever you sense it is that needs to be blessed by it. Then when that happens set another day and do it again. If 5 is too much, make it three. If 5 is too little to be of meaning in your economy, make it more. Just set aside something and determine to give it away to someone who will be blessed by it.

 

[JohnDB]

Stopping at a cash machine...uggghhh.
I barely have time to stop for gasoline/petrol.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Stopping at a cash machine...uggghhh.
I barely have time to stop for gasoline/petrol.

Sounds like a modern version of the Parable of the Good Samaritan.

Just playing with you, bro. I know it's a whole new world we live in these days.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

A couple of years ago I was checking out at the local Aldi's Market in town. There was a young man checking out ahead of me in line and he had about five things on the counter (a can of this and a can of that) and he didn't have enough money to pay for them so he was deciding what to put back. I asked the cashier how much he needed. It was $3 and change if I remember correctly. I got my wallet out and handed her a $10 bill. She rang him up and gave him the change from the 10. Inside I was like, "whoa, isn't the cashier going to give me the change?", lol. But I kept my mouth shut and decided he probably needed it. It's amazing how much joy and blessedness EVEN TO THIS DAY that $10 'bought' me.

 

[Willie T]

A couple of years ago I was checking out at the local Aldi's Market in town. There was a young man checking out ahead of me in line and he had about five things on the counter (a can of this and a can of that) and he didn't have enough money to pay for them so he was deciding what to put back. I asked the cashier how much he needed. It was $3 and change if I remember correctly. I got my wallet out and handed her a $10 bill. She rang him up and gave him the change from the 10. Inside I was like, "whoa, isn't the cashier going to give me the change?", lol. But I kept my mouth shut and decided he probably needed it. It's amazing how much joy and blessedness EVEN TO THIS DAY that $10 'bought' me.

She probably thought she was teaching a Goody Two-Shoes a lesson by handing him the change.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

She probably thought she was teaching a Goody Two-Shoes a lesson by handing him the change.

Lol, maybe.

To be honest, though, she looked at me in amazement, like, 'wow!'. I can tell she still remembers me by what I did every time I go in there. I actually think it turned out to be a great witnessing tool for her. And I'm also confident that the young adult I helped (probably a local college student) has been forever influenced by it too. He'll probably go on to make much, much more money than I have ever made or ever will, but what I may have done is planted the seed of generosity and compassion in his heart. My $10 investment in his life when he was in want may result in much more generosity to those in need from him later in his life. You just never know. Like Reba says, you just do what you can and what you think you should and leave the rest to God. Meanwhile you just soak up the goodness and blessedness of God for doing what he wants you to do and be in this world.

 

[Willie T]

My wife said she thought the cashier probably just handed the man the change out of habit.

But, this has given me a lot to think about. Faced with the same situation (only a ten in my wallet..) I might have simply told the cashier to give him the change as I handed her the ten........... Providing I still had enough to buy my items.

 

[Corn Pop]

Correct. Jesus' command is to love others. And giving our $$$ <cue the 'cha-ching' sound here> is one of those ways that we do that:

"17But whoever has the world’s goods, and sees his brother in need and closes his heart against him, how does the love of God abide in him? 18Little children, let us not love with word or with tongue, but in deed and truth. 19We will know by this that we are of the truth" (1 John 3:17-18 NASB)

That is an example of the obedience that constitutes the 'doing' of the word. That obedience comes right out of the law (Deuteronomy 15:7 NASB) and as John shows us by the passage above it applies today for God's people. It's not tithing, it's not first fruits, it's not redemption money, it's not literal temple maintenance. It's simple love for those in need. What ended in regard to the law was the types and shadows of external worship which have been made unnecessary now by the new way of worshiping God through the circumcision, and Sabbath, and Day of Atonement (etc.) that are kept when we have faith in Christ.

We can't write off all giving of $$$ just because the church will always have Judas's around to help themselves to what's in the piggy bank (John 12:6 NASB). We would be disobedient, NOT doers of the word if we withheld material good from people we encounter who are in need. And as a result we will NOT be blessed. We may still be saved (assuming our disobedience is not because of outright unbelief in Christ), but we will not be blessed.

Helping others in need is just the right thing to do in general be it financial or labour. I never said giving service is wrong, but if you see that your help is being taken advantage of do you not think someone who really needs it should get it?, or, would you rather give your money to someone in need or someone who has a private jet, mercedes benz, $10M abode, and a church covered in luxury items?. Obviously that church doesn't need any financial help, and the money is not going to the 'lords people' and needs of the people. And they still say give and they have mega millions when others have nothing.

And I think its wrong to sell merchandice in God's house of prayer and fellowship, acturally quite disrespectful towards God. A church is suppose to be for prayer and fellowship, not entertainment and the sale of books and merchandice like many of these big churches have on site. They have turned Christs house of prayer and fellowship into a house of entertainment and trade.

If churches are going use the bible as an example and the words 'tithe and 10%' then best they be doing exactly what God says about tithe. Yet they dont, they have twisted God's rule of tithe and turned it into there own, the church is not God's storehouse in scripture, the Pastor is not a Levite, and its goes on. Its nothing to do with the tithe.