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What Does the Bible Say About Women Preaching?
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Lewis
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Good postPard said:Here is my view
The Lord gives woman salvation, just as He gives men salvation. The Lord give woman the Holy Spirit, just as He gives men the Holy Spirit.
I see it that a woman who has the Holy Spirit, accepts Jesus as her Lord and Savior, and preaches the Word and the WHOLE truth of Jesus Christ than she has every authority to preach as a man does. (These are the same requirements I demand from a male pastor as well)
The fact is, though, that the cultural norm. is for the man to be a preacher. I totally don't mind if my pastor is a woman, however if she is a stumbling block to her flock than she should take the Christian high road and step down, for if we commit another Christian to stumble it is as if we ourselves sinned against the Lord.
In Corinth it was a stumbling block for a woman to have her head uncovered, let alone speak or preach in church. Paul is giving them advice as how to be sinless and to keep others from stumbling. In today's society (in America) we don't have woman (usually) wear head coverings in church because it is not a stumbling block (personally my stumbling block is the long legs...) The jury is probably still out on woman preachers, but I wouldn't say the Bible says they cannot preach, Paul said they cannot preach, lest they become a stumbling block to other Corinthians!
GodspromisesRyes
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people still have vineyards today and pay laborers in them this is not a past gone by " custom". just because some live in a city and do not understand unless they look it up doesnt mean it is about culture or custom. it is just easier for people to ignore the scriptural reasons given for the commandments they dont like and say oh culture culture.Lewis W said:
Tina
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After reading over this whole thread and the other thread about "Head Covering", I must say I am pretty puzzled by the obvious contradictions in arguments between the two threads.
In the Head Covering thread, the argument is that women are not allowed to pray or prophesy in Church unless she had a head covering, and that's according to 1 Corinthians 11:5. Consequently and indirectly, the proponents are admitting that God DOES allow women to prophesy in Church.
But coming over to this thread, the arguments take a drastic turn that women are not even allowed to preach ! .. The real issue here in this thread now becomes one of women not being able to prophesy, or not allowed to speak it or proclaim it, whether or not they have head converings.
So when a woman who wears a head covering in church receives a prophesy from the Lord , is she supposed to seal her lips and just keep it to herself ?
Figure that !! ... See the contradictions ???? .........
Both the Hebrew (Nebrah), and Greek (Proph) used for Prophetess means "female preacher". (See Young's Concordance, Pg. 780).
The word "Prophet" means a public expounder.
The word "Prophesy" means to speak forth, or flow forth. The Bible says in 1 Corinthians 14:3 , " But he that prophesieth speaketh unto MEN to edification, and exhortation and comfort." ... I don't believe this "speaking of the prophesy" only refers to speaking to other women or children.
The dictionary says, prophesy is "to speak under divine inspiration...to preach."
Therefore from the original translation, from the Bible interpretation, and from the dictionary, to prophesy means more than to tell the future, but it is to speak publicly about the past, present, or future. It is to preach under the anointing of the Holy Spirit.
The Old and New Testament prophets and prophetesses were preachers of God's Word.
Even if the words prophet and preacher could be separated, how could anyone prophesy to bring exhortation, comfort and edification to the church, if she were forbidden to speak in church and was to keep silent ? ... Is she supposed to wait till she's out of church compounds before proclaiming God's Word ? But even when she's out of church compounds , is she still forbidden to preach what God wanted to speak through her ??
.... 
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on ALL flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.
Yeap, God is certainly saying that women shall prophesy when He pours out His Spirit on ALL flesh, .... and I don't believe women are to keep silent about it !
Acts 10:34 --- "God is no respecter of persons".
After reading over this whole thread and the other thread about "Head Covering", I must say I am pretty puzzled by the obvious contradictions in arguments between the two threads.
In the Head Covering thread, the argument is that women are not allowed to pray or prophesy in Church unless she had a head covering, and that's according to 1 Corinthians 11:5. Consequently and indirectly, the proponents are admitting that God DOES allow women to prophesy in Church.
But coming over to this thread, the arguments take a drastic turn that women are not even allowed to preach ! .. The real issue here in this thread now becomes one of women not being able to prophesy, or not allowed to speak it or proclaim it, whether or not they have head converings.
So when a woman who wears a head covering in church receives a prophesy from the Lord , is she supposed to seal her lips and just keep it to herself ?
Figure that !! ... See the contradictions ???? .........
Both the Hebrew (Nebrah), and Greek (Proph) used for Prophetess means "female preacher". (See Young's Concordance, Pg. 780).
The word "Prophet" means a public expounder.
The word "Prophesy" means to speak forth, or flow forth. The Bible says in 1 Corinthians 14:3 , " But he that prophesieth speaketh unto MEN to edification, and exhortation and comfort." ... I don't believe this "speaking of the prophesy" only refers to speaking to other women or children.
The dictionary says, prophesy is "to speak under divine inspiration...to preach."
Therefore from the original translation, from the Bible interpretation, and from the dictionary, to prophesy means more than to tell the future, but it is to speak publicly about the past, present, or future. It is to preach under the anointing of the Holy Spirit.
The Old and New Testament prophets and prophetesses were preachers of God's Word.
Even if the words prophet and preacher could be separated, how could anyone prophesy to bring exhortation, comfort and edification to the church, if she were forbidden to speak in church and was to keep silent ? ... Is she supposed to wait till she's out of church compounds before proclaiming God's Word ? But even when she's out of church compounds , is she still forbidden to preach what God wanted to speak through her ??
.... Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on ALL flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.
Yeap, God is certainly saying that women shall prophesy when He pours out His Spirit on ALL flesh, .... and I don't believe women are to keep silent about it !
Acts 10:34 --- "God is no respecter of persons".
Lewis
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I have said that in my past posts about this subject, and these people still refuse. When God gives a women something from Him, they are supposed to convey it, and can't nobody tell me any different, and yes God does raise up female preachers, and can't nobody tell me any different, I don't care what they say, they are wrong.
Mysteryman
Member
Tina said:.
After reading over this whole thread and the other thread about "Head Covering", I must say I am pretty puzzled by the obvious contradictions in arguments between the two threads.
In the Head Covering thread, the argument is that women are not allowed to pray or prophesy in Church unless she had a head covering, and that's according to 1 Corinthians 11:5. Consequently and indirectly, the proponents are admitting that God DOES allow women to prophesy in Church.
But coming over to this thread, the arguments take a drastic turn that women are not even allowed to preach ! .. The real issue here in this thread now becomes one of women not being able to prophesy, or not allowed to speak it or proclaim it, whether or not they have head converings.
So when a woman who wears a head covering in church receives a prophesy from the Lord , is she supposed to seal her lips and just keep it to herself ?
Figure that !! ... See the contradictions ???? .........
Both the Hebrew (Nebrah), and Greek (Proph) used for Prophetess means "female preacher". (See Young's Concordance, Pg. 780).
The word "Prophet" means a public expounder.
The word "Prophesy" means to speak forth, or flow forth. The Bible says in 1 Corinthians 14:3 , " But he that prophesieth speaketh unto MEN to edification, and exhortation and comfort." ... I don't believe this "speaking of the prophesy" only refers to speaking to other women or children.
The dictionary says, prophesy is "to speak under divine inspiration...to preach."
Therefore from the original translation, from the Bible interpretation, and from the dictionary, to prophesy means more than to tell the future, but it is to speak publicly about the past, present, or future. It is to preach under the anointing of the Holy Spirit.
The Old and New Testament prophets and prophetesses were preachers of God's Word.
Even if the words prophet and preacher could be separated, how could anyone prophesy to bring exhortation, comfort and edification to the church, if she were forbidden to speak in church and was to keep silent ? ... Is she supposed to wait till she's out of church compounds before proclaiming God's Word ? But even when she's out of church compounds , is she still forbidden to preach what God wanted to speak through her ??
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on ALL flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.
Yeap, God is certainly saying that women shall prophesy when He pours out His Spirit on ALL flesh, .... and I don't believe women are to keep silent about it !
Acts 10:34 --- "God is no respecter of persons".
Hi
A Prophet brings forth a message from and for God. A prophetess repeats what a Prophet has said < A great example of this is in Luke 2:38. The full context is from verse 25. (Simeon - Anna)
The word "men" in I Corinth. 14:3 is "mankind". The church is not full of men, and then a single woman comes in and prophsies to them ! :rolling
Jesus gave Apostles, Prophets, Evangilists, Teachers, and Pastors so that the church would not be blown about with every wind of doctrine. Notice here -- NO prophetesses !!
Paul could not be any more clear when he told Timothy in I Timothy 2:9 - 15 (verse 12 - "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence - verse 13 - "For Adam was first formed, then Eve - verse 14 - "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression)
The Word of God can not contradict itself. Anything else is pure private interpretation.
GodspromisesRyes
Member
having authority and preaching are not the same as prophesying. there is no contridiction.
Mysteryman
Member
Lewis W said:
Hi Lewis
It depends on what you mean here . There are some great women in the OT. But what words did God give to them ?
There are also women we see in the gospels and even Jesus told Mary to go and tell his disciples etc.
So this Mary would have been a prophetess, repeating what the Prophet Jesus told her to say.
GodspromisesRyes
Member
I believe that is a trick question,
" when God gives a woman a word to say is she to shut her mouth".
The issue is not as stated above- the issue is WHEN WILL God give a woman a word to speak.
Just because a woman has something to say does not mean God has given it to her to speak.God does not break His own word, He holds it above His own name. So will God give a woman to prophesy? Surely we are told as much- Will He give her to preach and hold authority over the men in the church? No He says as much.
To prophesy is not to preach or teach. It is to give a specific message from the Spirit of God that comes forth as a gift( not an office) that she is to speak by the Spirit without her own additions teachings authority.
A preacher, has authority over the hearers as a shepard, he is given to care for them and is held accountable to that. he is the planter of seeds in the body to establish them and root and ground them in the faith.
The offices of the body of Christ- are not the same as the gifts of the Spirit. The offices are given to men- but the gifts are given to ALL to profit withall.
" when God gives a woman a word to say is she to shut her mouth".
The issue is not as stated above- the issue is WHEN WILL God give a woman a word to speak.
Just because a woman has something to say does not mean God has given it to her to speak.God does not break His own word, He holds it above His own name. So will God give a woman to prophesy? Surely we are told as much- Will He give her to preach and hold authority over the men in the church? No He says as much.
To prophesy is not to preach or teach. It is to give a specific message from the Spirit of God that comes forth as a gift( not an office) that she is to speak by the Spirit without her own additions teachings authority.
A preacher, has authority over the hearers as a shepard, he is given to care for them and is held accountable to that. he is the planter of seeds in the body to establish them and root and ground them in the faith.
The offices of the body of Christ- are not the same as the gifts of the Spirit. The offices are given to men- but the gifts are given to ALL to profit withall.
Tina
Member
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This thread isn't about women taking authority over men ... it's about whether women can preach or not. The moment “women preacher†or “women pastor†is mentioned, some people start feeling threatened as if the women are only all out to usurp the rightful authority of man !
If a women is not supposed to speak for God at all, then Miriam, Huldah, Deborah, Elizabeth, Anna, Phebe and Junias and Phillip's 4 daughters must have all sinned against God !
If I , a woman , say to an unbeliever, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved — you and your household" (Acts 16:31) … am I prophecizing or am I preaching ? ...… I’d say BOTH !
I am saying to the unbeliever – “you will be saved “ – now that’s a PROPHECY. At the same time, I am also PREACHING the Word of God according to Acts 16:31.
Have I done anything wrong? Was it wrong for a woman like me to have preached and prophecized like that ? Does not God’s Word exhorts ALL believers to preach and witness to non-believers? Or is it a job only for MAN ??
Who says “prophesy†is only some kind of extraordinary stuff – out of the blue thing that’s not found in the Bible? Some people seem to have a narrow, pre-conceived idea that “prophecy†must be something never heard before. So they wait and twiddle their thumbs while waiting for God to reveal something unusual so that they can go ahead and prophesy, but even if or when God does speak to them and reveal something unusual , they still wait and pray some more to make sure they heard it right !
But this is what the Bible says :-
Revelations 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. It means that when we testify of Jesus and share what He has done for us and for mankind, we are able to prophesy to the unbeliever that He saves and He redeems man of sin and eternal damnation if the sinner is willing to repent and accept Him. If we testify that Jesus has healed every single person who approached Him for healing in the Bible and has healed many others today, we are able to boldly prophesy that Jesus could heal the unbeliever too !
I wonder how many women in church today with their heads covered have actually received any other extra-biblical special “prophecies†from God !
Scriptures are clear that God DOES use women in prophesies AND preaching, how else are the women to announce what God revealed except to preach it. Prophesy and preaching are not necessarily two different matters. They usually work hand in hand and one cannot be excluded from the other. Preaching does not always mean someone standing at the pulpit to give a sermon. But even if some women pastors do that, I don’t see how they would take authority over men simply by standing at the pulpit to share God’s Word.
Paul admonished women not to teach, primarily because up to that moment they had not been taught, due to the consequences of Eve's transgression. A basic prerequisite for teaching is to have something to teach. Since women had not been taught they were at a disadvantage when it came to teaching, especially on religious matters. Paul cannot be disallowing all women in Ephesus from teaching and exercising any kind of authority over men in general, because He certainly knew Priscilla had been one of his co-workers in Ephesus, where Timothy was overseeing churches, and she, along with her husband, fruitfully taught Apollos.
The following scripture clearly says that Priscilla "explained to him the way of God more accurately" .. In other words, she taught or preached ... to a MAN !
Acts 18:26
So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.
This thread isn't about women taking authority over men ... it's about whether women can preach or not. The moment “women preacher†or “women pastor†is mentioned, some people start feeling threatened as if the women are only all out to usurp the rightful authority of man !
If a women is not supposed to speak for God at all, then Miriam, Huldah, Deborah, Elizabeth, Anna, Phebe and Junias and Phillip's 4 daughters must have all sinned against God !
If I , a woman , say to an unbeliever, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved — you and your household" (Acts 16:31) … am I prophecizing or am I preaching ? ...… I’d say BOTH !
I am saying to the unbeliever – “you will be saved “ – now that’s a PROPHECY. At the same time, I am also PREACHING the Word of God according to Acts 16:31.
Have I done anything wrong? Was it wrong for a woman like me to have preached and prophecized like that ? Does not God’s Word exhorts ALL believers to preach and witness to non-believers? Or is it a job only for MAN ??
Who says “prophesy†is only some kind of extraordinary stuff – out of the blue thing that’s not found in the Bible? Some people seem to have a narrow, pre-conceived idea that “prophecy†must be something never heard before. So they wait and twiddle their thumbs while waiting for God to reveal something unusual so that they can go ahead and prophesy, but even if or when God does speak to them and reveal something unusual , they still wait and pray some more to make sure they heard it right !
But this is what the Bible says :-
Revelations 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. It means that when we testify of Jesus and share what He has done for us and for mankind, we are able to prophesy to the unbeliever that He saves and He redeems man of sin and eternal damnation if the sinner is willing to repent and accept Him. If we testify that Jesus has healed every single person who approached Him for healing in the Bible and has healed many others today, we are able to boldly prophesy that Jesus could heal the unbeliever too !
I wonder how many women in church today with their heads covered have actually received any other extra-biblical special “prophecies†from God !
Scriptures are clear that God DOES use women in prophesies AND preaching, how else are the women to announce what God revealed except to preach it. Prophesy and preaching are not necessarily two different matters. They usually work hand in hand and one cannot be excluded from the other. Preaching does not always mean someone standing at the pulpit to give a sermon. But even if some women pastors do that, I don’t see how they would take authority over men simply by standing at the pulpit to share God’s Word.
Paul admonished women not to teach, primarily because up to that moment they had not been taught, due to the consequences of Eve's transgression. A basic prerequisite for teaching is to have something to teach. Since women had not been taught they were at a disadvantage when it came to teaching, especially on religious matters. Paul cannot be disallowing all women in Ephesus from teaching and exercising any kind of authority over men in general, because He certainly knew Priscilla had been one of his co-workers in Ephesus, where Timothy was overseeing churches, and she, along with her husband, fruitfully taught Apollos.
The following scripture clearly says that Priscilla "explained to him the way of God more accurately" .. In other words, she taught or preached ... to a MAN !
Acts 18:26
So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.
Mysteryman
Member
There is a huge difference between relaying a message and preaching !
GodspromisesRyes
Member
Mysteryman said:
agreed there is a big differnce
And being a woman preacher or pastor is to have authority which is not what we are called to. Being a preacher or pastor means having a flock that you are responsible for and over. It does not mean that you met a drunk on the side of the road and told him the gospel.
:amen Mysteryman
Member
Tina said:
Hi
No, this thread is -- "What does the bible say about women preachers"
This thread is not about someone's opinion or philosphy. Hence, in order to stick to the wording of this post. We need to bring forth biblical references .
Prophecy already given, is not prophecy spoken by a second party. Prophecy is given to that individual that God deems capable of carrying forth his message. Not the person who repeats that message as if they themselves were called out by God as a Prophet. I can quote OT Prophets by just quoting OT scripture where the Prophets spoke for God. That does not make me a Prophet. I can tell you that Jesus said this or that in the gospels, and my replication of his words , does not make me a Prophet.
Prophecy and preaching "are" two different matters ! Prophecy is not preaching, and preaching is not Prophecy.
Paul told Timothy for women not to teach nor usurp authority over the man, because it is the will of God. Nothing more should be said from this point on about this matter. No twisting of the scriptures is going to change this. All that will occur, is that one will go about falsely setting an example for other women to follow her example.
All Christians are ambassadors for Christ unto the world. This is outreach, not preaching and teaching . Nor is this a church setting.
When we read about Aquila and Priscilla, we notice that the head of Priscilla was Aquila, and they both expounded unto him the word more perfectly. They did not preach to him. For Apollos was very learned in the scriptures, but only knew the baptism of John. I am sure that Aquila along with Priscilla, expounded unto him the baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire, and that Christ now does the baptizing (Matt. 3:11). We see a growth in Apollos, and that he was received, as we read Acts 18:27 & 28.
Notice how the emphasis in Acts 18:24 threw Acts 19:1 is not on Aquila and Priscilla, but upon the man of God, Apollos ! And that it was Apollos who spoke boldly in the synagogue, and in his outreach evangilism. < Yes, "HE" was an Evangilist.
Mysteryman
Member
Tina said:.
Mysteryman said:
If outreach is not preaching and teaching, then I wonder what is it ? ....
Sure we show God's love, witness, share some testimonies ....
.... and then we walk away ! .... :biglol
Hi
No, I would suggest you lead them towards a man of God and fellowship among the brethren.