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What Does the Bible Say About Women Preaching?
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Tina
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This is the first time I am hearing of such an "outreach" !
When the unbelieving man begins to show some interest and asks questions, the woman evangelist tells him ... "You wait cuz I am a woman and not allowed to preach or teach men anything more than what I've shared. I'm going to have to refer you to a "man of God" and he'll tell you more about the gospel of Christ ! "
Mysteryman said:
This is the first time I am hearing of such an "outreach" !
When the unbelieving man begins to show some interest and asks questions, the woman evangelist tells him ... "You wait cuz I am a woman and not allowed to preach or teach men anything more than what I've shared. I'm going to have to refer you to a "man of God" and he'll tell you more about the gospel of Christ ! "
handy
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I actually agree with MM's idea here.
As a woman, I share the gospel with whomever, man or woman, anytime that I have opportunity. This is what Tina said as she said, "Sure we show God's love, witness, share some testimonies .... ".
But, rather than walk away (never a serious option, as even MM acknowledges) OR continue to preach, teach and disciple a man, I would indeed lead him to a man of God and fellowship among the brethren.
Especially as a married woman. For years I was a single woman, and listen, a deep and abiding spiritual connection is just as much of a temptation for inappropriate relationships as a sexual one. Spirituality is deep stuff and it is NOT the place for a man to closely disciple (preaching and teaching) any woman other than his wife, nor is it the place of a woman to closely disciple (preaching and teaching) a man.
Just as it is the place for a man, who has shared the gospel with a woman and she has responded to connect her with women of God and with fellowship of other believers as well.
Just as it is important for sons to have fathers to be an example of manhood, it is important for a man who is a babe in Christ to have godly men in their lives to be examples so that they can do just as Paul stated in the first verse of the text so often quoted in this thread, "imitate" him as he (the godly man) imitates Christ.
As a woman, I share the gospel with whomever, man or woman, anytime that I have opportunity. This is what Tina said as she said, "Sure we show God's love, witness, share some testimonies .... ".
But, rather than walk away (never a serious option, as even MM acknowledges) OR continue to preach, teach and disciple a man, I would indeed lead him to a man of God and fellowship among the brethren.
Especially as a married woman. For years I was a single woman, and listen, a deep and abiding spiritual connection is just as much of a temptation for inappropriate relationships as a sexual one. Spirituality is deep stuff and it is NOT the place for a man to closely disciple (preaching and teaching) any woman other than his wife, nor is it the place of a woman to closely disciple (preaching and teaching) a man.
Just as it is the place for a man, who has shared the gospel with a woman and she has responded to connect her with women of God and with fellowship of other believers as well.
Just as it is important for sons to have fathers to be an example of manhood, it is important for a man who is a babe in Christ to have godly men in their lives to be examples so that they can do just as Paul stated in the first verse of the text so often quoted in this thread, "imitate" him as he (the godly man) imitates Christ.
Tina
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I partly agree with handy, but based on my personal experience as a single woman witnessing to men outside or even within church who are unbelievers, I have no problems confidently sharing the gospel with them, or going further to preach if they ask more questions. For some reason, people seem to listen to me, and I don't think God is going to punish me for what I can do for Him ! ... But if a guy seems uncomfortable talking to me and asking more questions, then I'd ask him if he prefers to talk to a man instead. Even if I become a woman pastor some day, I will never take authority over my men in church or at home. The wowen pastors in my church are all under the authority of a MALE Senior Pastor. They do not always stand at the pulpit to preach. They serve as missionaries, they lead certain ministries like the healing and deliverance ministry, Sunday School or Youth ministry. They plan and organize outreach programmes. They do house blessings, funerals or take care of other church functions. They pray and intercede for people ... there are so many other things women pastors can do. Occasionally if my Senior Pastor is not able to preach for some reason, then one of them may stand at the pulpit to preach, and the congregation is always glad to hear them preach no less. Their husbands (some of whom are non-pastors) or the other male pastors do not feel threathened by their preaching.
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I partly agree with handy, but based on my personal experience as a single woman witnessing to men outside or even within church who are unbelievers, I have no problems confidently sharing the gospel with them, or going further to preach if they ask more questions. For some reason, people seem to listen to me, and I don't think God is going to punish me for what I can do for Him ! ... But if a guy seems uncomfortable talking to me and asking more questions, then I'd ask him if he prefers to talk to a man instead. Even if I become a woman pastor some day, I will never take authority over my men in church or at home. The wowen pastors in my church are all under the authority of a MALE Senior Pastor. They do not always stand at the pulpit to preach. They serve as missionaries, they lead certain ministries like the healing and deliverance ministry, Sunday School or Youth ministry. They plan and organize outreach programmes. They do house blessings, funerals or take care of other church functions. They pray and intercede for people ... there are so many other things women pastors can do. Occasionally if my Senior Pastor is not able to preach for some reason, then one of them may stand at the pulpit to preach, and the congregation is always glad to hear them preach no less. Their husbands (some of whom are non-pastors) or the other male pastors do not feel threathened by their preaching.
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Nick
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The mere fact that a number of women in this thread believe that the Bible says they should not be preaching to men and follow this is speaking volumes to me. This is not something that men cooked up to stay 'superior' to women - this is the Word of God, which many women I know personally agree with. This is not about gender, but is in fact about the word of God and what it says.
Tina
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Some Bible definitions
http://www.allforhisglory.net/ofhoc/terms.htm
APOSTLE
One of the fivefold ministries of Ephesians 4:11. The Apostle is a foundation-laying ministry (Eph. 2:20) that we see in the New Testament establishing new churches (Paul’s missionary journeys), correcting error by establishing proper order and structure (First Epistle to the Corinthians), and acting as an oversight ministry that fathers other ministries (1 Cor. 4:15; 2 Cor: 11 :28). The New Testament Apostle has a revelatory anointing (Eph. 3:5). Some major characteristics are great patience and manifestations of signs, wonders and miracles. We will know more and see greater manifestations concerning the apostle during the peak of the Apostolic Movement.
Example of a woman apostle is Junias whom Paul called outstanding in Romans 16:7.
EVANGELIST
The traditional view of the evangelist is a bearer of the "Good News," proclaiming the gospel to the unbelieving world. This is exemplified by modern day evangelists who preach the message of salvation in crusades and the like. However; Philip, the New Testament Evangelist mentioned in Acts 21 :8, demonstrated a strong supernatural dimension to the Evangelistic ministry. Philip preached the gospel to the lost (Acts 8:5), moved in miracles (8:6), delivered people from demons (8:7), received instructions from an angel (8:26), had revelation knowledge (8:29), and was supernaturally translated from Gaza to Azotus (8:26,40). We are looking forward to the restoration of this type of Prophetic Evangelist to the Body of Christ.
PROPHETESS
GREEK: “prophetis" -- the feminine of prophet (Gr: prophetess). A woman of God whom the Holy Spirit has given the divine prophetic ability to perceive and speak the mind of Christ on specific matters to particular people.
STRONG'S: a “female foreteller or an inspired woman." She is a specially called woman who functions like the New Testament prophet to minister to the Body of Christ with inspired speaking and prophetic Utterance (Acts 2:17; 21:9; Luke 2:36; Isa.8:3; 2 Chron. 34:22; Jude 4; Ex. 15:20). Prophetess is the proper title for a woman with this ascension gift and calling. Prophet is the proper title for a man with this ascension gift and calling.
PROPHECY
GREEK: 'propheteia," a noun that "signifies the speaking forth of the mind and counsel of God. It is the declaration of that which cannot be known by natural means. It is the forth-telling of the will of God, whether with reference to the past, the present, or the future " (VINE'S, p. 893).
New Testament prophecy functions in three realms :
• 1) Jesus giving inspired testimony and praise through one of His saints by prophetic utterance or song of the Lord (Heb. 2:12; Rev. 19:10).
• 2) One of the manifestations of the Holy Spirit called the gift of prophecy, which brings edification, exhortation and comfort to the Body of Christ ( 1 Cor. 12:10; Rom. 12:6).
• 3) The prophet speaking by divine utterance the mind and counsels of God and giving a rhema word for edification, direction, correction, confirmation and instruction in righteousness ( 1 Cor.: 14:29; 2 nm. 3:16-17).
A truly, divinely inspired prophecy is the Holy Spirit expressing the thoughts and desires of Christ through a human voice.
Some Bible definitions
http://www.allforhisglory.net/ofhoc/terms.htm
APOSTLE
One of the fivefold ministries of Ephesians 4:11. The Apostle is a foundation-laying ministry (Eph. 2:20) that we see in the New Testament establishing new churches (Paul’s missionary journeys), correcting error by establishing proper order and structure (First Epistle to the Corinthians), and acting as an oversight ministry that fathers other ministries (1 Cor. 4:15; 2 Cor: 11 :28). The New Testament Apostle has a revelatory anointing (Eph. 3:5). Some major characteristics are great patience and manifestations of signs, wonders and miracles. We will know more and see greater manifestations concerning the apostle during the peak of the Apostolic Movement.
Example of a woman apostle is Junias whom Paul called outstanding in Romans 16:7.
EVANGELIST
The traditional view of the evangelist is a bearer of the "Good News," proclaiming the gospel to the unbelieving world. This is exemplified by modern day evangelists who preach the message of salvation in crusades and the like. However; Philip, the New Testament Evangelist mentioned in Acts 21 :8, demonstrated a strong supernatural dimension to the Evangelistic ministry. Philip preached the gospel to the lost (Acts 8:5), moved in miracles (8:6), delivered people from demons (8:7), received instructions from an angel (8:26), had revelation knowledge (8:29), and was supernaturally translated from Gaza to Azotus (8:26,40). We are looking forward to the restoration of this type of Prophetic Evangelist to the Body of Christ.
PROPHETESS
GREEK: “prophetis" -- the feminine of prophet (Gr: prophetess). A woman of God whom the Holy Spirit has given the divine prophetic ability to perceive and speak the mind of Christ on specific matters to particular people.
STRONG'S: a “female foreteller or an inspired woman." She is a specially called woman who functions like the New Testament prophet to minister to the Body of Christ with inspired speaking and prophetic Utterance (Acts 2:17; 21:9; Luke 2:36; Isa.8:3; 2 Chron. 34:22; Jude 4; Ex. 15:20). Prophetess is the proper title for a woman with this ascension gift and calling. Prophet is the proper title for a man with this ascension gift and calling.
PROPHECY
GREEK: 'propheteia," a noun that "signifies the speaking forth of the mind and counsel of God. It is the declaration of that which cannot be known by natural means. It is the forth-telling of the will of God, whether with reference to the past, the present, or the future " (VINE'S, p. 893).
New Testament prophecy functions in three realms :
• 1) Jesus giving inspired testimony and praise through one of His saints by prophetic utterance or song of the Lord (Heb. 2:12; Rev. 19:10).
• 2) One of the manifestations of the Holy Spirit called the gift of prophecy, which brings edification, exhortation and comfort to the Body of Christ ( 1 Cor. 12:10; Rom. 12:6).
• 3) The prophet speaking by divine utterance the mind and counsels of God and giving a rhema word for edification, direction, correction, confirmation and instruction in righteousness ( 1 Cor.: 14:29; 2 nm. 3:16-17).
A truly, divinely inspired prophecy is the Holy Spirit expressing the thoughts and desires of Christ through a human voice.
Mysteryman
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All the definitions that Tina gave are not biblical, even though scripture was used as reference.
Making a worldly definition and using scripture as reference is not going to bring one to the truth. You must delve into the scriptures and show time and time again, that God uses women in this manner of preaching and teaching with reference of being over a congregation.
There are some great women in the OT, and when I say great, I mean just that, great women of God.
Not one woman was ever given a prophetic word by God that God himself had not already given to a man of God first.
Miriam suggested just that very thing, and look what happened to her.
Everyone in life is suppose to play the role in which God made and formed and created us.
God told Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God left it up to the man to tell his woman this.
Adam named all the animals.
Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
God made David King over Israel.
This does not take away nor does it diminish the calling of women by God and the role they play in staying within the will and purpose of God.
Have we come to that point within the church that anything goes ? If I look out into the world, I am very saddened. I am saddened to see that christians are now following by example, homosexual men and women leading christian churches. These homosexual men call themselves bishops. The Word of God states, that a bishop is to be the husband of one wife. There is no mention within the Word of God that allows a bishop to have a partner of the same sex and call one's self a bishop.
The reason God uses words such as Prophet and Prophetess is for a good reason. Yes, gender does play a role here. But it is not a sexist thing ! A Prophet is a man of God that brings a message from and for God. A Prophetess does not ! A prophetess repeats what a Prophet has already said. The consistency of the Word of God will prove this , time and time again.
Is a prophetess inspired by God ? Of course she is, but inspiration and revelation are two totally different things.
Wisdom within scripture is called a "she" ( Proverbs 1:20 - 9:1 - 31:26 ), and for very good reason. Wisdom is understanding, and wisdom is and brings about a peace in knowing and understanding. Wisdom is not verbal ! One can speak from wisdom and knowledge and understanding. But wisdom itself is the gaining and retaining of knowledge and understanding. When you do speak the wisdom of God, it is not spoken with authority.
Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom - Psalm 111:10
Proverbs 15:33 - "The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility"
Making a worldly definition and using scripture as reference is not going to bring one to the truth. You must delve into the scriptures and show time and time again, that God uses women in this manner of preaching and teaching with reference of being over a congregation.
There are some great women in the OT, and when I say great, I mean just that, great women of God.
Not one woman was ever given a prophetic word by God that God himself had not already given to a man of God first.
Miriam suggested just that very thing, and look what happened to her.
Everyone in life is suppose to play the role in which God made and formed and created us.
God told Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God left it up to the man to tell his woman this.
Adam named all the animals.
Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
God made David King over Israel.
This does not take away nor does it diminish the calling of women by God and the role they play in staying within the will and purpose of God.
Have we come to that point within the church that anything goes ? If I look out into the world, I am very saddened. I am saddened to see that christians are now following by example, homosexual men and women leading christian churches. These homosexual men call themselves bishops. The Word of God states, that a bishop is to be the husband of one wife. There is no mention within the Word of God that allows a bishop to have a partner of the same sex and call one's self a bishop.
The reason God uses words such as Prophet and Prophetess is for a good reason. Yes, gender does play a role here. But it is not a sexist thing ! A Prophet is a man of God that brings a message from and for God. A Prophetess does not ! A prophetess repeats what a Prophet has already said. The consistency of the Word of God will prove this , time and time again.
Is a prophetess inspired by God ? Of course she is, but inspiration and revelation are two totally different things.
Wisdom within scripture is called a "she" ( Proverbs 1:20 - 9:1 - 31:26 ), and for very good reason. Wisdom is understanding, and wisdom is and brings about a peace in knowing and understanding. Wisdom is not verbal ! One can speak from wisdom and knowledge and understanding. But wisdom itself is the gaining and retaining of knowledge and understanding. When you do speak the wisdom of God, it is not spoken with authority.
Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom - Psalm 111:10
Proverbs 15:33 - "The fear of the Lord is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility"
Tina
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Personal opinions and theories are not going to bring one to the truth either.
That's a Christian website, and I don't see you giving any better definitions from more reliable sources.
Female prophets are not any less sinless than male prophets. Even then, Miriam was not regarded as a false prophet despite what she did. And I'm not aware of any other female prophets in the Bible being struck down with leprosy by God.
Mysteryman said:
Personal opinions and theories are not going to bring one to the truth either.
That's a Christian website, and I don't see you giving any better definitions from more reliable sources.
Mysteryman said:
Female prophets are not any less sinless than male prophets. Even then, Miriam was not regarded as a false prophet despite what she did. And I'm not aware of any other female prophets in the Bible being struck down with leprosy by God.
Lewis
Member
Now how about that, in Jason's case, God used a woman. You cats have really got to stop this, because God can use who ever He wants, and He does, you can't confine God to a box. God has even used animals on occasion to get things done, He does and uses who ever He wants, and some of you just don't seem to get that. I have some stomp down Holy Sanctified women preachers in my church, and I will continue to listen to them, preach the word of God. Are these women going to hell, am I going to hell for listening to them, and them for preaching to me ? You cats need to stop this. When the Holy ghost comes upon these women and speaks through them, you better take heed yourselves.jasoncran said:
destiny
Member
Yes, Jason... the word of God is our authority when the Holy Spirit speaks through us women. We don't speak in an authority of our own, if we do then we are out of order. I guess it comes back to Spirit and Truth working together. One without the other is outside of Gods will. You cannot make a person understand this.
Mysteryman
Member
Tina said:
Hi Tina
I want you to know that I am only sharing with you, and that you need to make up your own mind.
So with that said --- I just want you to know that there are no female Prophets in the Word of God. In worldly definitions you will find worldly understanding.
A Prophet is a man
A Prophetess is a woman
Each has a significant purpose of how God uses a Prophet and a prophetess. Never, ever has a prophetess received a prophetic word from the Lord God, that she is to expound with authority, the message that God has given her. I would be glad to go over with you every woman in the bible that you think might go against what I just shared with you.
Would you be interested in doing this ?
Bless
Mysteryman
Member
jasoncran said:
Hi Jason:
One thing that seems to elude many, is that the body of Christ is the wife to Christ (female). As such, she must submit unto her head Christ. All those in Christ can operate the nine manifestations of the Spirit listed in I Corinth. chapter 12. The prophecy from those who are IN Christ, will bring forth prophecy of a prophetess. Words that edify, comfort, and exhort. All prophetesses throughout scripture OT and NT bring about words of prophecy that edify, comfort and exhort.
Like I said, there are nine manifestations of the Spirit. Which of the nine manifestations do you believe this woman used in your case ? And remember , that IN Christ there is neither male nor female. But all those IN Christ can operate all nine manifestations. So, no matter whether or not it was a man or a woman who ministered to you, he or she would not be a prophetess in ministering to you.
jasoncran
Member
i understand that mm. take note that i dont believe in woman pastors but the lord does use prophets directly. i have been used like this.
that was my point , her son told her that i was in love with a man,(he ,the son, was a muslim), she being a christian prayed to the lord and rebuked me.
that h.s so powerful that i felt like i was slapped for my sin as just gotten saved(i think ), but made sure of my salvation when i repented.
that was my point , her son told her that i was in love with a man,(he ,the son, was a muslim), she being a christian prayed to the lord and rebuked me.
that h.s so powerful that i felt like i was slapped for my sin as just gotten saved(i think ), but made sure of my salvation when i repented.
Mysteryman
Member
Tina said:
Hi Tina
I am also curious if you actually know the story behind, as to why God punished Miriam ?
Mysteryman
Member
Tina said:.
She lied about God telling her something which God didn't ..
I am beginning to wonder why God doesn't strike down false prophets today with leprosy ! ...
Maybe they're not so false after all ...
Hi Tina:
No, she didn't lie about God telling her something !
She tried to bring about an authority that God didn't give her ! She talked with her brother Aaron, and spoke against her brother Moses. < Numbers 12:2. Then God called immediately a meeting between all three of them. < verse 4.
This is what God told all three of them < Numbers 12:6 - 8 - "With him will I speak mouth to mouth < direct revelation = mouth to mouth.
Aaron was a prophet unto Moses, and Moses was - The Prophet of God. Miraim was a prophetess, not a Prophet !
She became leprous < verse 10
Moses cried out in prayer < verse 12 & 13
God speaks to Moses < verse 14 - "If her father had but spit in her face, should she not be ashamed seven days ? < What this means, is that if her father had taught her humility and put her in her place when she tried to exert herself, this would not have happened. So the Lord God did what her father should have done . This punishment was to show her. that she needed to learn humility and her place , which was not one of authority.
There is a remembrance of Miriam in Deut. 24:9 , which pertained to leprosy. < This was a part of the curse of the law.
There is no more curse of the law, as Christ fulfilled the curse of the law.
Paul spoke and wrote, that everything aforetime is for our learning. We should learn by the OT, and how God looked upon certain things and circumstances.
God speaks to a Prophet , mouth to mouth. He does not speak to a prophetess mouth to mouth ! Prophetesses are inspired by God, to speak the things that a Prophet has already said.
The consistency of the Word of God never changes. There was a prophetess in the gospels , her name was Anna, and she only repeated what the Prophet Simeon had already spoken. < Luke 2:36 - 38. She was inspired, but Simeon received from the Lord God, revelation , mouth to mouth. Which then he spoke, as the spokesman for God . < Luke 2:26 & 27 & especially verses 34 & 35.