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What exactly do you believe?

Yes
I believe life on earth is young. I ponder if God terraformed the earth and filled it with life in six days.
I believe Gods hand was in every aspect of creation (The importance in Genesis to me, not the timeline)

Like others I noted in scripture a planet in the beginning with water (not ice). That implies our Sun was in place as thats the heat source for our planet. I do believe God created the stars and planets as well.
 
Khristeeanos said:
By that I mean:

1. Are you a Christian?
2. Do you believe in a young or old earth?



*NOTE* I don't mean for this to become a discussion for the above topics, but merely as a reference for those who discuss topics in this forum.

It really helps me and others to understand what a person means when they post something if you know the answer to the above questions.

Thank you and please keep your posts in this thread to a simple:
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1. Yes, I am a Christian
2. I believe the earth is in reality quite young (about 6000 years old) but that it was created with the appearance of great age.
The TOG
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1) Yes
2) I believe that God created the World and Universe in 6-literal 24-hour days around 6,000 years ago (Give or take). So I am a Young Earth Creationist.
 
questdriven said:
1. Yes
2. Young. I take Genesis literally (why would there be dimensions for the ark if the story of the global flood was only meant to be figurative?), and from that view you simply cannot fit the it and evolution together. I also believe it's scientifically accurate.
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1. Yes
2. Apathetic YEC (YEC because I still see no reason not to be, but not terribly concerned with it and don't think it matters much.)
 
questdriven said:
1. Yes
2. Apathetic YEC (YEC because I still see no reason not to be, but not terribly concerned with it and don't think it matters much.)
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Agree. In the BIG picture it's minor. But, for some, its a hurtle. For those it's impotant; been there done that.
 
1. Yes Christian
2. Not sure. It could be young with regard to the onset of mankind and onward, yet old with everything else. Because a day was only described as the light and darkness cycles. Or the evidance for the age of the earth and the age of the sun can make it much more older regardless of interpretation of the Genesis. Just over all not sure.
 
Randy said:
Like others I noted in scripture a planet in the beginning with water
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Gen 1:2 (RSV) The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.

In ancient middle eastern literature, "waters" is often used as a sign of chaos.
The word, "void" can be understood as barrenness; the inability to bear or support life.

The part that says; "Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters" has a parallel at Luk 1:35 (RSV) And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God."

And God's commands in Genesis 1 to "Let there be" is paralleled by Mary's declaration, "...let it be to me according to your word." (Luke 1:38b RSV)

Just strikes me as interesting......

iakov the fool
 
Jim Parker said:
Gen 1:2 (RSV) The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters.

In ancient middle eastern literature, "waters" is often used as a sign of chaos.
The word, "void" can be understood as barrenness; the inability to bear or support life.

The part that says; "Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters" has a parallel at Luk 1:35 (RSV) And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God."

And God's commands in Genesis 1 to "Let there be" is paralleled by Mary's declaration, "...let it be to me according to your word." (Luke 1:38b RSV)

Just strikes me as interesting......

iakov the fool
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I believe Genesis takes pain to state Gods hand was in every aspect of creation. I also don't hold to evolution. However the importance to me is in "God created" and not the timeline. I note water and that speaks to me of a heat source for our planet as in our sun "was" at that point. No real importance though.

"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible."

Randy
 
Randy said:
"By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible."
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Given that matter "what we see" and energy (not something that is visible) are interchangeable, that is, one leads to the other, that verse is upheld by physics, IMO.
 
Not_Now.Soon said:
1. Yes Christian
2. Not sure. It could be young with regard to the onset of mankind and onward, yet old with everything else. Because a day was only described as the light and darkness cycles. Or the evidance for the age of the earth and the age of the sun can make it much more older regardless of interpretation of the Genesis. Just over all not sure.
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I think the truth is contained in point 2 above. I get the STRONG idea that we are not perceiving the timeline and physics properly or completely. Given how we now know that speed has a strong effect on the passage of time, and given that the universe 'exploded' outward at the instant of the big bang (at inconceivable speed) the speed itself would pose a tremendous problem in measuring time.

IN THIS WAY, I am convinced that, to a great degree, YEC's and old-earthers are BOTH correct. As I observe the arguments, I note that the two sides "talk past one another". Most of the time, this "talking past one another" is unintentional - as both sides are not understanding even their own position completely.
 
Pizza said:
I think the truth is contained in point 2 above. I get the STRONG idea that we are not perceiving the timeline and physics properly or completely. Given how we now know that speed has a strong effect on the passage of time, and given that the universe 'exploded' outward at the instant of the big bang (at inconceivable speed) the speed itself would pose a tremendous problem in measuring time.

IN THIS WAY, I am convinced that, to a great degree, YEC's and old-earthers are BOTH correct. As I observe the arguments, I note that the two sides "talk past one another". Most of the time, this "talking past one another" is unintentional - as both sides are not understanding even their own position completely.
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Intresting thoughts. I believe the bible's account. Which unfortunately doesn't jive as well with our current understanding of the age of mankind, or with our theories of how the earth was formed. But with the actual age of the earth, I could see God making the earth in 6 days, because with God all things are possible. And I can see the earth being formed over a much longer period because a day to God could be like a thousand years to us. But to the things we do know from the bible, I trust. The age of mankind, and the order of earth's creation events, I trust Genesis. God doesn't lie, but our understandings can be flawed.
 
See, that's just it. I can easily believe the Bible's account because it reads somewhat vague. That is, if you take into account the effect of great speed on matter, energy and the passage of time, you learn just how much you (we) do not know.

Vague? Is God vague? Sure He is - He can't explain it all in a book. For most of us, He can't explain it at all because we simply do not KNOW enough to understand. This is how I can "leave it with God" and just go explore science, with no issues at all with a 4 billion year old earth. If God lives outside of space and time (and I am SURE He does) then our stupid calendar and our counting of years and our perceptions of time are all 'child's toys' that God gave us.

Where were ANY of us when He formed the earth? Where were we when He populated the planet with life? Who are we to think he OWES us an explanation of ANYTHING?
 
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