What happens during the rapture, that is, when "caught up to

[shad]

"Christians who have learned the rules of faith and are now using the promises of God to place food and water on their tables.

What do you mean by this RND? thank you

I just mean that exactly.

At this moment , the economic meltdown has started (as prophesied) and at this moment, Christians and non-Christians alike are in the same "boat" .With one difference: Some Christians are not in a panic, because they have been practicing HOW to trust God when He says: God shall supply all your needs......... They have been doing it for years and now they are confidant that He does indeed honor His promises.

Some however have not been interested in learning this, and are now facing a problem. How, do we trust God to place food on a table, when we have no money to buy it ?

Oh, ok, I thought you were against that.

You are right, we cannot survive if we have not been faithful to Jesus. Being materialisic like the rest of the world is no way to survive harsh condition. Materialistic christinas cannot survive any kind of predicaments that this world gives.

 

[shad]

Just imagine this :

(although he has seen the church-method never brought results, he has never bothered to as WHY)

Do you know why he has never bothered to see? Because he is not interested in the Truth. It is not so hard to find out the truth. All we have to do is to open our eyes and look around.

 

[Cornelius]

Just imagine this :

(although he has seen the church-method never brought results, he has never bothered to as WHY)

Do you know why he has never bothered to see? Because he is not interested in the Truth. It is not so hard to find out the truth. All we have to do is to open our eyes and look around.

I would say that about 90% of todays Christians , do not know the difference between
1) Believing in God
2)Believing God.

Most think "believing in God" is enough, that, that = faith. Well that is not true. If that was true, then Israel (who also only believed IN God in the wilderness) would have entered into the promised land. But they did not, most died in the desert through UNBELIEF (Not believing God)

When we read Hebrews, we see that God accuses them of UNBELIEF although they very much believed IN HIM .

Believing IN Him is not enough.

We have also got to BELIEVE HIM ( Do we all believe the promises ?..........I would say no we do not )

C

 

[RND]

So, you are saying that we will be able to live without faith during the tribulation?

Nope. I'm saying God doesn't kill. The word and spirit are sure regardless of being alive or dead.

 

[Cornelius]

So, you are saying that we will be able to live without faith during the tribulation?

Nope. I'm saying God doesn't kill. The word and spirit are sure regardless of being alive or dead.

Do you have scripture to back this statement? I can give you some scriptures that indeed says that God kills.

C

 

[RND]

Do you have scripture to back this statement? I can give you some scriptures that indeed says that God kills.

Yeah, ever read the Gospels? Jesus was the express image of God. Never killed. Only healed. Never condemned. Prayed for His enemies and those that put Him on the cross.

Is God a "Do as I say, not as I do" kinda God? "Thou shalt not murder" except me?

 

[RND]

Just imagine this :

Tribulation is in full swing. You do not have any money to buy anything. Your appendix is about to burst and all the doctors have closed down , because of the war. There is absolute chaos.Nobody can help you. Now it just happens to be, that you run into another Christian with the same thing happening to him.

Here is how it goes:

One Christians have never stood on "Through His stripes ye were healed" (This Christian have never really questioned why it says "were" in this promise and have mainly lived without ever really standing the test of faith of this promise) He has no clue how to trust God really, because he is trying to do it the way that the church has taught him all these years (although he has seen the church-method never brought results, he has never bothered to as WHY)

His appendix burst and he dies

No 2 Christian has been through this many times before. He has learned not to trust the arm of the flesh and have made a decision many years ago to learn HOW to trust the promises. He speaks the promise in the face of the situation and stands on the Word with no fear. The pain gets worse and he still does not become double minded, because he has practiced this many times before.He still only believe God and His Word. The pain gets less and less. There is a miracle .

He lives because he had faith .

C

Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

Phl 1:21 For to me to live [is] Christ, and to die [is] gain.

 

[shad]

I would say that about 90% of todays Christians , do not know the difference between
1) Believing in God
2)Believing God.

I don't know about the % but Jesus says only a few will find narrow road.

We have also got to BELIEVE HIM ( Do we all believe the promises ?..........I would say no we do not )

C

Would you explain what you are saying?

thank you

 

[Cornelius]

Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

Phl 1:21 For to me to live [is] Christ, and to die [is] gain.

These scriptures do not address the issue "Does God kill"

This is one, where God comes for a man, who is unprepared to meet God.

Luk 12:20 But God said unto him, Thou foolish one, this night is thy soul required of thee;(meaning : now you die ! ) and the things which thou hast prepared, whose shall they be?



C

 

[Cornelius]

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him(BY GOD) to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and there was given to him authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.
................
Rev 13:10 If any man is for captivity, into captivity he goeth: if any man shall kill with the sword, with the sword must he be killed. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Rev 20:4 .............I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus,

LOTS of killed people to be seen just in these scriptures and all WITH God's permission.

 

[Cornelius]

See now that I, even I, am he, And there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal; And there is none that can deliver out of my hand (Dt.32:39).

 

[Cornelius]

(Lk.12:4) And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body (Satan and demons through men), and after that have no more that they can do. (5) But I will warn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, who after he hath killed, hath power (Greek: “authorityâ€Â) to cast into hell.

 

[Cornelius]

Anyway, we are off topic, if you want to discuss this further, we could open up a thread for it in Bible study.

C

 

[RND]

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him(BY GOD) to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and there was given to him authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.

Rome was given up to it's deceit. God never killed anyone here.

Rev 13:10 If any man is for captivity, into captivity he goeth: if any man shall kill with the sword, with the sword must he be killed. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Sword = word of God. Symbolic language.

Eze 6:3 And say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord GOD; Thus saith the Lord GOD to the mountains, and to the hills, to the rivers, and to the valleys; Behold, I, [even] I, will bring a sword upon you, and I will destroy your high places.

Rev 20:4 .............I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus,

Beheaded, i.e. killed by others, not God.

LOTS of killed people to be seen just in these scriptures and all WITH God's permission.

Cornelius, nothing in these verses suggest God kills.

 

[Vic C.]

totopic

Thank you.

 

[RND]

See now that I, even I, am he, And there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal; And there is none that can deliver out of my hand (Dt.32:39).

"'See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand."

God allows death. Satan has the power of death.

Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

 

[RND]

(Lk.12:4) And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body (Satan and demons through men), and after that have no more that they can do. (5) But I will warn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, who after he hath killed, hath power (Greek: “authorityâ€Â) to cast into hell.

"...who after he (not God) hath killed..." The person that kills, verse 4.

"I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him."

Hell - sheol - grave.

 

[Vic C.]

totopic

Thank you.

:bigfrown