What happens now. the New World Order....

[reddogs]

I was reading the news when the hair in the back of my neck started to tingle. I looked twice to see if I was reading it right. ...November 8, 2024-Putin says 'new world order' is taking shape in speech after Trump win.

The Russian president called NATO out of date, praised President-elect Donald Trump for acting courageously after the assassination attempt and said he hopes U.S.-Russia relations will be restored.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/worl...before-our-eyes/vi-AA1tHwTj?ocid=BingNewsSerp

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...01D4695AD48DECC6DFFA01D4695AD48DECC&FORM=VIRE

Putin congratulated Trump on winning the US election and said he was "ready" to talk to the US president-elect, adding: "I was impressed by Trump's behaviour during the assassination attempt.

Putin said Russia and Europe must return to a state of mutual trust. Russia, Putin said, did not consider Western civilisation to be the enemy despite attempts by the United States and its allies to isolate Moscow.

"The former structure of the world is irrevocably disappearing, we can say it has already gone, and a serious, irreconcilable struggle is unfolding for the formation of a new one," Putin said.

Now this has been championed by Catholic Church for some time as one can see..

"...Pope Proposes New Financial Order...
"...Pope Benedict XVI called for a new financial order with �real teeth� as Group of Eight leaders prepare to discuss ways out of the worst recession since World War II. �Profit is useful if it serves as a ...From profits to ethics: pope calls for a new political and financial world order...
"...This must be tackled, he said, by the creation of a global political authority and financial order based not just on the search for ever greater profits, but on ethics and a sense of the common good.The pontiff made the appeal in a 144-page encyclical � a reflection on doctrine that is the highest form of papal writing � three days before he was due to discuss the global downturn with Barack Obama.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/07/pope-new-political-financial-order

"...Pope Benedict today pinned responsibility for the worldwide recession squarely on greed and an amoral fascination with technological progress for its own sake. This must be tackled, he said, by the creation of a global political authority and financial
Georgetown/On Faith: Pope Benedict on Economic Justice - Thomas J. Reesehttp://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfai...l?hpid=talkbox1

"...Pope: encyclical, even globalization in need of a soul..Globalisation, which marks society today, is in need of a reaffirmation of ethical values, as well as �a personal and communal cultural orientation, open to transcendence" that is capable of "correcting its malfunctions." Moreover, in our age, �the State finds itself having to address the limitations to its sovereignty imposed by the new context of international trade and finance�. �This new context has altered the political power of States� (n. 24). But �as we take to heart the lessons of the current economic crisis, it seems more realistic to re-evaluate their role and their powers, which need to be prudently reviewed and remodelled�
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=15716&size=A


"...Pope Benedict's long awaited encyclical calls for a radical rethinking of economics so that it is guided not simply by profits but by "an ethics which is people-centered."
...days before he is to meet with Pope Benedict XVI on his first trip to Italy, President Obama told FOX News that the Catholic Church's long tradition of social justice has had a "profound influence" on him. Obama told FOX News that he looks forward to reading the encyclical, a "circular letter" titled "Charity in Truth," published by the Vatican.

Pope Francis Calls For 'New World Order' After The Pandemic

Vatican News — Pope Francis insists in a new book things will never be the same in a post-pandemic world, calling instead for the establishment of a "new world order."

In a book-length interview with journalist Domenico Agasso titled God and the World to Come, scheduled for release in Italian on Tuesday, the pontiff reiterates his case for the Great Reset with a shift away from financial speculation, fossil fuels, and military build-up toward a green economy based on inclusiveness.

https://www.stvincenttimes.com/pope-francis-calls-for-new-world-order-after-the-pandemic/

And Putin has picked up the Popes line..

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/04/world/europe/pope-francis-putin.html

We are seeing the Image of the Beast being formed..

 

[Hopeful 2]

I am sure glad I am not "of this world" ! (Rom 12:2)

 

[JLB]

I was reading the news when the hair in the back of my neck started to tingle. I looked twice to see if I was reading it right. ...November 8, 2024-Putin says 'new world order' is taking shape in speech after Trump win.

The Russian president called NATO out of date, praised President-elect Donald Trump for acting courageously after the assassination attempt and said he hopes U.S.-Russia relations will be restored.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/worl...before-our-eyes/vi-AA1tHwTj?ocid=BingNewsSerp

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...01D4695AD48DECC6DFFA01D4695AD48DECC&FORM=VIRE

Putin congratulated Trump on winning the US election and said he was "ready" to talk to the US president-elect, adding: "I was impressed by Trump's behaviour during the assassination attempt.

Putin said Russia and Europe must return to a state of mutual trust. Russia, Putin said, did not consider Western civilisation to be the enemy despite attempts by the United States and its allies to isolate Moscow.

"The former structure of the world is irrevocably disappearing, we can say it has already gone, and a serious, irreconcilable struggle is unfolding for the formation of a new one," Putin said.

Now this has been championed by Catholic Church for some time as one can see..

"...Pope Proposes New Financial Order...
"...Pope Benedict XVI called for a new financial order with �real teeth� as Group of Eight leaders prepare to discuss ways out of the worst recession since World War II. �Profit is useful if it serves as a ...From profits to ethics: pope calls for a new political and financial world order...
"...This must be tackled, he said, by the creation of a global political authority and financial order based not just on the search for ever greater profits, but on ethics and a sense of the common good.The pontiff made the appeal in a 144-page encyclical � a reflection on doctrine that is the highest form of papal writing � three days before he was due to discuss the global downturn with Barack Obama.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/07/pope-new-political-financial-order

"...Pope Benedict today pinned responsibility for the worldwide recession squarely on greed and an amoral fascination with technological progress for its own sake. This must be tackled, he said, by the creation of a global political authority and financial
Georgetown/On Faith: Pope Benedict on Economic Justice - Thomas J. Reesehttp://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfai...l?hpid=talkbox1

"...Pope: encyclical, even globalization in need of a soul..Globalisation, which marks society today, is in need of a reaffirmation of ethical values, as well as �a personal and communal cultural orientation, open to transcendence" that is capable of "correcting its malfunctions." Moreover, in our age, �the State finds itself having to address the limitations to its sovereignty imposed by the new context of international trade and finance�. �This new context has altered the political power of States� (n. 24). But �as we take to heart the lessons of the current economic crisis, it seems more realistic to re-evaluate their role and their powers, which need to be prudently reviewed and remodelled�
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=15716&size=A


"...Pope Benedict's long awaited encyclical calls for a radical rethinking of economics so that it is guided not simply by profits but by "an ethics which is people-centered."
...days before he is to meet with Pope Benedict XVI on his first trip to Italy, President Obama told FOX News that the Catholic Church's long tradition of social justice has had a "profound influence" on him. Obama told FOX News that he looks forward to reading the encyclical, a "circular letter" titled "Charity in Truth," published by the Vatican.

Pope Francis Calls For 'New World Order' After The Pandemic

Vatican News — Pope Francis insists in a new book things will never be the same in a post-pandemic world, calling instead for the establishment of a "new world order."

In a book-length interview with journalist Domenico Agasso titled God and the World to Come, scheduled for release in Italian on Tuesday, the pontiff reiterates his case for the Great Reset with a shift away from financial speculation, fossil fuels, and military build-up toward a green economy based on inclusiveness.

https://www.stvincenttimes.com/pope-francis-calls-for-new-world-order-after-the-pandemic/

And Putin has picked up the Popes line..

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/04/world/europe/pope-francis-putin.html

We are seeing the Image of the Beast being formed..

Putin made this statement to the US years ago…

America, don’t give up your guns, I am fighting the New World Order.

Putin Tells U.S. Citizens “Do Not Give Up Your Guns”

The right to bare arms to defend one’s self and possessions against a deadly force has been entrenched in American culture and protected by the U.S. Constitution since it’s creation in 1791. Howeve…

theblogginghounds.com

 

[Who Me]

The Russian president called NATO out of date, praised President-elect Donald Trump for acting courageously after the assassination attempt and said he hopes U.S.-Russia relations will be restored

New world order, what rubbish. This is old fashioned power politics.

Trump has also called national out of date and wants out. He also wants tariffs on imported goods from the rest of the world.

What does these and renewed friendship mean for the world.

Well with Europe going into an economic crisis due to Trump banning imports, Europe won't be able to support Ukraine, so Russia will walk into it.
As America let's put in get away with this, he'll walk into the Latvian countries to restore the old user.
Europe won't be able to stop him.
With America going into an isolationist stance China will invade Taiwan.


So yes there will be a new world order, o e dominated by two hostile powers Russia an chi a.

 

[follower]

Putin made this statement to the US years ago…

Before Putin , Jesus Is. Jesus noted it is today as in the days of Noah - wild rampant increasing wickednesses daily.

 

[Blade]

"Putin says 'new world order' is taking shape in speech after Trump win."
I can still see Bush senior standing up there saying "What is at stake is more than one small country; it is a big idea: a new world order, where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind -- peace and security, freedom, and the rule of law. Such is a world worthy of our struggle and worthy of our children's future." 1991.

Its at the door but I don't see it as .. its not time yet. Well one where still here. We the Church have all power all authority over the enemy and nothing shall by any means hurt us. Satan cannot come out in the open yet because we have all power all authority over him. Greater is He that is in us then he that's in the world. We have Christ aka GOD we have the sweet holy Spirit in us for ever and HE said I will never leave you never for sake you. The lawless one can not come out until He that is holding him back is taken out of the way first.

I think.. just thinking Satan keeps trying to rush it but its not time yet. The USA is still here and in the way if you ask me.

 

[RandyK]

"Putin says 'new world order' is taking shape in speech after Trump win."
I can still see Bush senior standing up there saying "What is at stake is more than one small country; it is a big idea: a new world order, where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind -- peace and security, freedom, and the rule of law. Such is a world worthy of our struggle and worthy of our children's future." 1991.

Its at the door but I don't see it as .. its not time yet. Well one where still here. We the Church have all power all authority over the enemy and nothing shall by any means hurt us. Satan cannot come out in the open yet because we have all power all authority over him. Greater is He that is in us then he that's in the world. We have Christ aka GOD we have the sweet holy Spirit in us for ever and HE said I will never leave you never for sake you. The lawless one can not come out until He that is holding him back is taken out of the way first.

I think.. just thinking Satan keeps trying to rush it but its not time yet. The USA is still here and in the way if you ask me.

Well, you may not be here for "it," but not because of a Pretrib Rapture. You may simply die before that day comes. But I think you're right--it is indeed coming.

This is just how I look at it. 2 very big players in the modern Roman "Empire" are the U.S. and Russia. Russia is still trying to become a modern empire once again, after the fall of the Soviet Union. But it is written in prophecy that the once-mighty Roman Empire would dissolve into 10 states.

But once this dissolution is complete, this "Empire" will be restored. And the uniting of Russia and the U.S. may be a precursor of that--not becoming one state, of course, but joining together in a single alliance.

It would be strange indeed if Russia joined NATO, an organization whose mission is to resist Russia! But Europe, East and West, does have a common heritage, and I would not be surprised to see Putin and Trump come to some kind of agreement over Ukraine.

I see the world divided up into 3 major powers, China, India, and Roman Civilization/Europe. If Europe is to compete with China and India, it will have to unify, I think? The Islamic countries may form of "4th power," but I'm not sure where they fit in?

But we'll see. I'm not a prophet--just a student of the book of Daniel. Pre/Post Trib aside, we should be prepared for the worst, but hope for the best. Right? ;)

 

[JLB]

Before Putin , Jesus Is. Jesus noted it is today as in the days of Noah - wild rampant increasing wickednesses daily.

Was Noah raptured to heaven during a time of great upheaval or was he protected while remaining on earth?

 

[RandyK]

Was Noah raptured to heaven during a time of great upheaval or was he protected while remaining on earth?

Enoch was not "raptured" to heaven in order to escape problems on earth. Elijah was not "raptured" to heaven to escape Ahab and Jezebel--he was told, when running from Jezebel, that all he had to do was to listen to and obey God's still small voice--His word.

We are protected from the eternal wrath of God in the judgment, but we are not given to escape tribulations on this earth. We may suffer calamities that are poured out on this earth due to the sins of Man in general, or we may suffer in our guilty nation when we ourselves are innocent. That's what Jesus did.

The idea of Noah "escaping" the judgment of mankind during the Flood was not the idea. The idea was preserving the human race when civilization was unspeakably corrupt, in order to perpetuate God's plan.

The "Rapture to heaven" at the end of the age is a reward for those who have persevered under all this without "escaping." We will escape judgment by throwing ourselves upon the grace of God, proven by our adherence to God's word, obeying Him and following after His image and likeness.

We are going to be caught up to heaven in order to receive from God in heaven the reward of immortality, because we have chosen His Son as our eternal standard. We are then preserved in God's Kingdom for all time, and have indeed "escaped" the judgment that befalls those who reject Jesus, God's only way, truth, and life.

 

[JLB]

We are going to be caught up to heaven

In the rapture, which comes after the resurrection, the raptured ones will be caught together with the resurrected ones, in the air, high above the earth in the clouds, to be assembled with the Lord as He returns to earth to put an end to all rule and power… so that the kingdoms of this are become the kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ.

IOW’s the rapture is not being raptured to heaven, but being changed; receiving our new bodies along with the dead in Christ.

From there we are with Christ as He returns to Jerusalem to take His place as King over the earth.

• For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

The resurrection and rapture is at the coming of the Lord; the second coming of Christ.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

• Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

The resurrected ones and the raptured ones are caught up together in which they are gathered together.





JLB

 

[RandyK]

In the rapture, which comes after the resurrection, the raptured ones will be caught together with the resurrected ones, in the air, high above the earth in the clouds, to be assembled with the Lord as He returns to earth to put an end to all rule and power… so that the kingdoms of this are become the kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ.

IOW’s the rapture is not being raptured to heaven, but being changed; receiving our new bodies along with the dead in Christ.

In my view the "Rapture" of the Church is, in fact, a rapture to heaven. That is precisely what we are told, that we will be caught up to Christ who is coming with the clouds of heaven.

But I don't believe we are caught up to heaven to simply remain in heaven. The purpose of our going to heaven is to join Christ in his descent to earth. We are changed into his glory so that we may participate in his glorious return.

How can we return with him if we are unfit to do so? We must be changed into immortal beings so that we can return with the glorious Christ!

That being said, I don't know that we disagree in anything you're saying? My belief is that we are caught up *in an instant* in such a way that the moment we are changed in heaven we are here being revealed to the world as the new age, the new path, the new Kingdom of Christ on earth.

What form the immortal Church takes when we are thus being revealed I don't claim to know. Perhaps we will assume angelic forms? Perhaps like the angels we will be invisible to earth's inhabitants, only revealing our existence in a new earth, in a changed earth.

I think the world will suddenly lose any desire for international conflict, whether or not it recognizes there has been a change in leadership over the earth. What I do know is that *somehow* it will be revealed to the earth that Christianity is sovereign on earth and in history. Peace, at least for a thousand years, will result.

I'm blessed by your aggressive statement that it is at the *eschatological Coming of Christ* that the "Rapture of the Church" will take place. It will be more of a "coming to earth" than a "going to heaven," therefore. We may agree much more than disagree on any of this?

 

[JLB]

In my view the "Rapture" of the Church is, in fact, a rapture to heaven.

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-15

When you understand this is the Second Coming of Christ, which is also called the Day of the LORD, then you will understand those who are resurrected and raptured are caught up in the air, not caught up to heaven.

All will hoping Christ and the angels as a great army that will overwhelm the wicked and remove them from earth, THEN the King will take His rightful throne in Jerusalem.


Read Zechariah 14.

 

[RandyK]

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-15

When you understand this is the Second Coming of Christ, which is also called the Day of the LORD, then you will understand those who are resurrected and raptured are caught up in the air, not caught up to heaven.

All will hoping Christ and the angels as a great army that will overwhelm the wicked and remove them from earth, THEN the King will take His rightful throne in Jerusalem.


Read Zechariah 14.

My view is that being caught up in the "air" is the same as being caught up to *heaven.*

 

[JLB]

My view is that being caught up in the "air" is the same as being caught up to *heaven.*

Here are the three main things that occur at His coming.

1. The Resurrection of the dead in Christ.
2. The Rapture
3. The destruction of the Antichrist and all wicked.

1 and 2 are found in this verse.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15

3 is found in this verse.

And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8

 

[RandyK]

Here are the three main things that occur at His coming.

1. The Resurrection of the dead in Christ.
2. The Rapture
3. The destruction of the Antichrist and all wicked.

1 and 2 are found in this verse.

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15

3 is found in this verse.

And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8

The fact #3 (the destruction of Antichrist) is expounded upon in another letter in no way implies that it doesn't happen in the 1st letter! That would be an argument from silence.

On the other hand, my claim is that *all* NT references to Christ's 2nd Coming originates from Dan 7, where the Son of Man comes from heaven, defeats the Man of Sin, and delivers the saints. All 3 things (Resurrection, Rapture, and defeat of Antichrist) happen in one single context. Thus, all NT references to Christ's Coming also involve all 3 elements, whether they are all mentioned or not.

Each element is mentioned only if the author is interested in dealing with that element at the time. But the single event of Christ's 2nd Coming necessariliy involves all 3 elements because they all originate from a single event of Christ's Coming mentioned in Dan 7.

One letter may want to address only the matter of resurrection at Christ's Coming. Another letter may want to address both resurrection and rapture at Christ's Coming. But inasmuch as they all refer to the 2nd Coming, they all necessarily infer the destruction of Antichrist as well.

My opinion....

 

[follower]

Was Noah raptured to heaven during a time of great upheaval or was he protected while remaining on earth?

The fairytales about 'raprute' far outnumber the truth about what is to happen. Lies are accepted as truth and taught as if true; the truth is called a lie, and the truth-tellers are greatly persecuted and even martyred today.

 

[reddogs]

I think we are seeing this...

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[Consecrated Life]

The one constant according to God that the carnal men like Putin are afraid to mention is the world's hate for the Jews.
Putin and anybody else who speaks about a New World cannot speak to, and don't dare to mention the Burden of this world as declared by God, the world's hate for the Jew & Israel.

Luke 1:70
As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

Luke 1:71
That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

 

[reddogs]

The one constant according to God that the carnal men like Putin are afraid to mention is the world's hate for the Jews.
Putin and anybody else who speaks about a New World cannot speak to, and don't dare to mention the Burden of this world as declared by God, the world's hate for the Jew & Israel.

Luke 1:70
As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

Luke 1:71
That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

Its growing as you see from the ruling against the leaders for 'genocide'....