What is a Saint?

[donadams]

There are many kinds of saints!

Saints in general: living people who are in Christ by faith and baptism, are called saints, and called to be saints! Rom 1:7 1 cor 1:2 Dan 7:18 Jude 1:3

 

[donadams]

Canonized Saint: a special class of saints that are approved by the church!

Martyrs are also saints!

Doctors of the church is a special honor for a saint who excelled at a study, or teaching such as saint Jerome for His work on sacred scripture!

Fathers of the church: bishops in the early church, the witnesses of Christ along with confessors who public confess and proclaim the truths revealed by Christ!

 

[Vinny37]

There are many kinds of saints!

Saints in general: living people who are in Christ by faith and baptism, are called saints, and called to be saints! Rom 1:7 1 cor 1:2 Dan 7:18 Jude 1:3

The term priest has often been mistreated. In tracing the modern word priest back to its roots, Hans Küng noted that the Greek term presbuteros meant elder: “the term priest as used today is not identical in meaning with the word presbyter as it was originally used” (Küng’s The Church, 1986:364‑5). Welcome back Erasmus!

As regards Sinai, Hebrews “made it unmistakeably clear to any who…hankered after the ritual of the past, that Christ has…fulfilled, superseded, and abandoned…the priesthood of the OT” (Küng 364‑5). As for the church, the real word for priest, hiereus, “is not used…anywhere in the NT for someone who holds office in the church” (Küng 364).

Küng didn’t mean that only office holders aren’t priests, but simply that since all Christians are priests, it is biblically misleading to use that tag for any specialism. That said, the word deacon simply means servant, and though all Christians are to be servants, some specialise as ecclesiastical deacons, ministers.

Sadly not all ecclesiastical office holders are Christians even if called priests/‌bishops—plenty of wolves cross-dress as sheep and some sheep transition outside the flock! Shamefully, not all Christians, though saints (noun), live saintly/holy lives (adjective). Saints ought to become holy.

But Christians should often be more active as Christians. “It is important that the positive significance of the priesthood of all believers be realized…. [Every Christian is able to have] direct access to God, [make] spiritual sacrifices…in a spirit of love and self-giving…preach the word and administer baptism, the Lord’s Supper and the forgiveness of sins [having come into] the mediating work of the one and only mediator” (Küng 372,381). Küng rebuked Protestants who failed to practice what they preached.

 

[donadams]

The term priest has often been mistreated. In tracing the modern word priest back to its roots, Hans Küng noted that the Greek term presbuteros meant elder: “the term priest as used today is not identical in meaning with the word presbyter as it was originally used” (Küng’s The Church, 1986:364‑5). Welcome back Erasmus!

As regards Sinai, Hebrews “made it unmistakeably clear to any who…hankered after the ritual of the past, that Christ has…fulfilled, superseded, and abandoned…the priesthood of the OT” (Küng 364‑5). As for the church, the real word for priest, hiereus, “is not used…anywhere in the NT for someone who holds office in the church” (Küng 364).

Küng didn’t mean that only office holders aren’t priests, but simply that since all Christians are priests, it is biblically misleading to use that tag for any specialism. That said, the word deacon simply means servant, and though all Christians are to be servants, some specialise as ecclesiastical deacons, ministers.

Sadly not all ecclesiastical office holders are Christians even if called priests/‌bishops—plenty of wolves cross-dress as sheep and some sheep transition outside the flock! Shamefully, not all Christians, though saints (noun), live saintly/holy lives (adjective). Saints ought to become holy.

But Christians should often be more active as Christians. “It is important that the positive significance of the priesthood of all believers be realized…. [Every Christian is able to have] direct access to God, [make] spiritual sacrifices…in a spirit of love and self-giving…preach the word and administer baptism, the Lord’s Supper and the forgiveness of sins [having come into] the mediating work of the one and only mediator” (Küng 372,381). Küng rebuked Protestants who failed to practice what they preached.

You really want to quote these modernist apostates?

There are two priesthood’s in the new covenant!

One: ministerial
Two: the royal priesthood of those who are in Christ. (The people)

Christ is high priest and head of the universal church that requires a hierarchy, and low priests under his authority in the same ministerial priesthood!

Thanks

 

[donadams]

The term priest has often been mistreated. In tracing the modern word priest back to its roots, Hans Küng noted that the Greek term presbuteros meant elder: “the term priest as used today is not identical in meaning with the word presbyter as it was originally used” (Küng’s The Church, 1986:364‑5). Welcome back Erasmus!

As regards Sinai, Hebrews “made it unmistakeably clear to any who…hankered after the ritual of the past, that Christ has…fulfilled, superseded, and abandoned…the priesthood of the OT” (Küng 364‑5). As for the church, the real word for priest, hiereus, “is not used…anywhere in the NT for someone who holds office in the church” (Küng 364).

Küng didn’t mean that only office holders aren’t priests, but simply that since all Christians are priests, it is biblically misleading to use that tag for any specialism. That said, the word deacon simply means servant, and though all Christians are to be servants, some specialise as ecclesiastical deacons, ministers.

Sadly not all ecclesiastical office holders are Christians even if called priests/‌bishops—plenty of wolves cross-dress as sheep and some sheep transition outside the flock! Shamefully, not all Christians, though saints (noun), live saintly/holy lives (adjective). Saints ought to become holy.

But Christians should often be more active as Christians. “It is important that the positive significance of the priesthood of all believers be realized…. [Every Christian is able to have] direct access to God, [make] spiritual sacrifices…in a spirit of love and self-giving…preach the word and administer baptism, the Lord’s Supper and the forgiveness of sins [having come into] the mediating work of the one and only mediator” (Küng 372,381). Küng rebuked Protestants who failed to practice what they preached.

Thanks Vinny but it’s off topic, please reply in the thread “new covenant priesthood” in the same forum. Thanks Don

 

[GodsGrace]

There are many kinds of saints!

Saints in general: living people who are in Christ by faith and baptism, are called saints, and called to be saints! Rom 1:7 1 cor 1:2 Dan 7:18 Jude 1:3

What is a saint?

 

[donadams]

What is a saint?

One set apart and consecrated unto God!

 

[donadams]

Filled with God’s grace merited by Christ in His passion and death on the cross!

 

[donadams]

Patron saint: special intention
Special circumstance
Special way to imitate the life, & virtues of a particular saint.

Examples

Saint Joseph: patron saint of workers cos he was a carpenter.

Saint Joseph patron saint of fathers cos he was the father of Christ and the savior of the savior, fathers can imitate His virture’s
Obedience, faithfulness, patience.

Saint Joseph special patron of the dying cos He died in the arms of Jesus our savior and Mary the mother of our salvation!

The holy family is the patron of all families, fathers St. Joseph, mother, Mary most holy, and children unto the holy child Jesus!
Acts 4:30 refers to miracles in the name of the Holy Child!

We need more grace everyday to persevere to the end, prayer and the virtuous actions of the saints are a great help!

 

[Vinny37]

Thanks Vinny but it’s off topic, please reply in the thread “new covenant priesthood” in the same forum. Thanks Don

All priests are saints. All Christians are saints.

 

[GodsGrace]

All priests are saints. All Christians are saints.

Hi Vinny
I agree that all Christians are saints, or at least, they should be saints.

I'm using the definition given by Donadams...
A saint is someone set aside for service to God.

OK. Now how do we distinguish between that, and those that gave their life for God?
Joan of Arc comes to mind. The Apostles, the early persecuted Christians, the patron saint of my hometown, San Lorenzo. He was 19. In the first or very early second century. He was BBQd to death. And so many others.

I think they deserve a special designation.
Am I wrong?

 

[donadams]

Saints alive!

Matthew 22:32
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Jn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

 

[GodsGrace]

I think Vinny is gone.
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[donadams]

I think Vinny is gone.
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Thanks I was just adding not replying