What is 'faith alone'?

[Free]

Here is what I understand about this discussion topic.

Faith by itself which is faith alone is dead.

The only reason I believe this is because I understand the principle of faith; how faith works.

This is called the obedience of faith.

Furthermore faith by itself, faith alone, is incomplete.

Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:22-26

• Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

If Rahab would have hid the spy’s, then went and told the people of Jericho where they were hiding, would she have been justified?

No.

Her obedience to do what God inspired her to do, caused her faith she received from Him, to be complete and therefore became activated to produce the intended divine result of justification.

• For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

With the woman of the issue of blood, she obeyed and went and touched the hem of His garment.


Come on Free, I know you see what I’m saying.

I see what you’re saying and it’s clear you don’t know what this discussion is about. Perhaps it’s best to leave this thread to those who do know what they’re talking about and those who want to. This endless going in circles because of your straw man and willfull ignorance is not edifying or productive for anyone.

 

[Corinth77777]

yes. if we are born again, we have Gods promise we will never perish, and our life will be forever 9eternal life)

what could you possibly do to keep yourself saved. since salvation is by grace?

Yes..

agree

legalism is a means of earning Gods favor by adding works to grace as a means of earning salvation.

earning salvation can be seen a few ways

I must do a work to get salvation (examples are circumcision in pauls day, or water baptism today)

I must work to maintain salvation (Obey Gods commands, do religious works such as going to church, tithing, taking communion. serving etc etc)

I must work to keep from losing salvation (how good is good enough is all i can think of.. I see no other explaination for this)



He did, its in his word

Thats how we have the peace that surpasses understanding, It is not we who keep ourselves (by works) it is him who keeps us.

I feel the same way. Amen

That would be in my view a fatal error. a different gospel.

Abraham believed God and before abraham did one work, God credit to him righteousness (justification)

Abraham spent his life with his faith growing, But also showing laps in his faith (Adulatory, Saying his wife was his sister etc etc) but we know decades after he was saved, his faith grew so deep. he was willing to offer his son, KNOWING or ASSURED God would raise him from the dead (he trust in Gods promise his son would be the heir)

Amen, Me also@!!!

Yes. But he was only saved once, In gen 15. when he believed God and it was credited to him as righteouusness (he was seen as righteous, or another term, justified)

the faith of Jesus did not save me, this would be a poor translation.

Granted, His faith led him to endure the cross.. and through this offered me salvation. But I must recieve his gift (john 1) he will not force it on me

was the prodigal son still the son, or did his fathers DNA leave him?

So God controls who is saved and who is not? this is damaging to his reputation

Yes, Gods love works through us in faith in him

I see that you misunderstood somethings..

 

[Free]

I see that you misunderstood somethings..

How about making your post more productive than a general statement. Quote each instance where you think the other has misunderstood and then provide clarification. That way the discussion can progress.

 

[JLB]

I see what you’re saying and it’s clear you don’t know what this discussion is about. Perhaps it’s best to leave this thread to those who do know what they’re talking about and those who want to. This endless going in circles because of your straw man and willfull ignorance is not edifying or productive for anyone.

So instead of addressing what I said with the scriptures, or answering any of the questions I asked, you just attack me, and label my post a strawman, and tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about?

That’s evil sir. Very evil.

 

[Free]

So instead of addressing what I said with the scriptures, or answering any of the questions I asked, you just attack me, and label my post a strawman, and tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about?

That’s evil sir. Very evil.

No, it isn’t. As I’ve already stated, I given you what you ask for numerous times. I’m done going in circles, repeating things ad nauseam. If you’re not going to read and understand what I’ve posted many times, you’re not going to read or understand if I post it again.

 

[Corinth77777]

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How about making your post more productive than a general statement. Quote each instance where you think the other has misunderstood and then provide clarification. That way the discussion can progress.

That wasn't for you. And I was going to respond.

You need to take a break and stop yelling at people. This is suppose to be a hobbie foŕ stress relief not drama.....

 

[Free]

That wasn't for you.

Doesn’t matter; it’s a public post.

And I was going to respond.

Why not do it in one post?

You need to take a break and stop yelling at people.

I haven’t yelled at anyone.

This is suppose to be a hobbie foŕ stress relief not drama.....

Theology is “supposed to be a hobbie for stress relief”? Theology is very serious business, but perhaps your sentiments explain why there is so much error on basic things in these forums.

 

[Corinth77777]

Doesn’t matter; it’s a public post.


Why not do it in one post?


I haven’t yelled at anyone.


Theology is “supposed to be a hobbie for stress relief”? Theology is very serious business, but perhaps your sentiments explain why there is so much error on basic things in these forums.

There you go..If they had an ignore button for you...Lord knows I would use it. Pursuing peace with you is IMPOSSIBLE.

 

[Corinth77777]

Doesn’t matter; it’s a public post.


Why not do it in one post?


I haven’t yelled at anyone.


Theology is “supposed to be a hobbie for stress relief”? Theology is very serious business, but perhaps your sentiments explain why there is so much error on basic things in these forums.

You are the stress not the Theology forum.

 

[JLB]

What "principle of faith"?

It’s called the obedience of faith.

Here is the scripture I get that language from.

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
Romans 16:26

The principle (law) of faith is this -

God speaks (inspires, moves upon) to a person in which they receive faith (and grace).

When the person obeys what they hear, their faith is activated (made alive) and completed to produce the intended divine result; the result God intended.

If it’s hearing the Gospel then if the Gospel is obeyed the person is saved.

If it’s healing such as the woman with the issue of blood, then it means obeying the instruction to touch the hem of His garment.

If it’s preserving mankind from the intended flood then that means obeying the word to build the Ark.

If it’s preserving the spy’s then it means Rahab hides the spy’s and send’s out another way.

If it’s bringing down the walls of Jericho, then that means Joshua and the children of Israel obey the word of faith to march around the city for 7 days then shout.

By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days. Hebrews 11:30


By faith means; God spoke to a person and that person did what God spoke to them to do.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Not a single person on these forums is saying that Christians don't need to do works. The entire point is that our works do not save us.

Moderator's Note: The above statement is true, and yet debates concerning salvation VS. works tend to go round and round and lead to needless argumentation sometimes. It is why debates on this subject were forbidden at CFN for several years.

This thread is under review. In the meantime, we will shut things down to take a look at it. Debate with a purpose is certainly welcome here, but debate simply for debate's sake is not, so the old rule may have to come under discussion again.

Blessings In Christ,
Hidden In Him