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I like how DW puts it in so many words..grace is God doing what we cannot do on our own.Amen. As long as our understanding of grace is correct, then our understanding of works can be properly understood. Grace just means an undeserved gift. If grace cost anything it would no longer be grace.
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Real grace that cost God his only legitimate son, not "hyper grace" as a therapy session that absolves your guilt, and certainly not lawlessness.It's impossible to separate faith from grace, because faith is part of grace.
Is your Hope in God. his work. Or in your own works..
Obey what?The way we become born again is we obey the truth (gospel) through the Spirit.
Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart, having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever, 1 Peter 1:22-23
It is us who does the work of obeying the truth, by God’s grace, His Spirit; the Spirit of grace.
That’s what grace is, the Holy Spirit, that enables us to obey.
the gospel? (believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved)
The tax collector did this.. he went home justified.Yes obey the Gospel; the gospel command repent.
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:9-10
- and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Confessing Jesus as Lord is the confession of faith by which we are saved.
Confessing Jesus as LORD is how we obey the Gospel command to repent.
You have to be careful. 90% of people here the word obey and they assume a law or legalistic gospel of works..
This is one of the biggest misconceptions. The word "torah" priminarily means teaching or instruction, not law or regulation, it was the Pharisees and Sadduccees that turned those into laws and regulations. For example, Sabbath was originally a blessing, a day of rest for recuperation, reflection and preparation, Pharisees and Sadduccees turned it into a curse. In this sense, obedience means discipline, doing things by the book. If you're a trained expert of any skill, you do things by the book, you operate according to the instuctions, not on your own whims; if you're a master, you'd have these rules internalized in your muscle memory, you don't need to be told what to do or how to do, you automatically does it, and you're able to instruct others. By no means is that "legalism".The tax collector did this.. he went home justified.
You have to be careful. 90% of people here the word obey and they assume a law or legalistic gospel of works.. ie. if you do not work hard enough you will lose salvation
By grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone everything else is false teaching from the pit of Hell.Looks like faith must also have grace.
Faith alone is a myth.
Beware, best liars always tell the truth, that means they lie by omission and/or dilute with irrelevant contents. I think "in faith alone" is an example, as the full doctrine is "salvation by GRACE (undeserved favor from God) through faith (in Christ) alone", and that faith is tested through work. Without work, faith either withers away in the sun or gets choked up by the thorns, as illustrated in the parable of the sower. That's NOT "adding" work on top of faith.By grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone everything else is false teaching from the pit of Hell.
That parable is about real faith vs various types of false faith.Beware, best liars always tell the truth, that means they lie by omission and/or dilute with irrelevant contents. I think "in faith alone" is an example, as the full doctrine is "salvation by GRACE (undeserved favor from God) through faith (in Christ) alone", and that faith is tested through work. Without work, faith either withers away in the sun or gets choked up by the thorns, as illustrated in the parable of the sower. That's NOT "adding" work on top of faith.
We're talking about the parable of the Sower, not the parable of wheats and tares. The faith is true in all four scenarios, the difference is the reception and outcome.That parable is about real faith vs various types of false faith.
As I've stated before the word believe as used in the new Testament means to start believing and to keep on believing. And that believing is not intellectual accent to facts but it is a matter of trusting.
Works aren't required for salvation they are fruit of salvation.
Nope... only the good ground was analogous to a believer..We're talking about the parable of the Sower, not the parable of wheats and tares. The faith is true in all four scenarios, the difference is the reception and outcome.
I don't think so. I believe only the first type is a lost cause, the shallow ground and the thorny ground can be converted. In fact, those are the vast majority of the mission field. When Jesus was arrested, all disciples "forsook him and fled away," weren't they shallow/stony soils?Nope... only the good ground was analogous to a believer..