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What is Grace?

ozell

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What is Grace?

what is your understanding of grace?

why do the scriptures say grace was found in Noah? when did or did Noah ever lose grace? what did it have to be found?

Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

what is the significance of this verse?

Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
 
The Greek word for "grace" is "charis," and it refers to "kindness," "graciousness," and even gratitude.

The grace of god is His kindness towards us.
 
Vince said:
The Greek word for "grace" is "charis," and it refers to "kindness," "graciousness," and even gratitude.

The grace of god is His kindness towards us.

what is the bible definition of grace?

you are saying the Lord found kindness in Noah?

if I take the greek meaning I have to read this verse by Paul below as

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
for we are not under the law, but under kindness?
 
is the free gift Paul speak of grace?

Rom 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Rom 5:16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

Rom 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
 
ozell said:
What is Grace?

what is your understanding of grace?

why do the scriptures say grace was found in Noah? when did or did Noah ever lose grace? what did it have to be found?

Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

what is the significance of this verse?

Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;


Grace is a share of the divine life; God's intervention in our lives.
 
ozell said:
What is Grace?

what is your understanding of grace?

why do the scriptures say grace was found in Noah? when did or did Noah ever lose grace? what did it have to be found?

Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

what is the significance of this verse?

Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

I think two good word definitions for grace as we might understand it would be "understanding" and "forgiveness". Both acts are of love. Grace is a lot of things within that line of understanding. Love, forgiveness, mercy....ect.

As for Gen 6:8, the bible is describing Noah as a man who loved God, who walked with God meaning he wanted to be a righteous man of God. Further the bible is sort of separating Noah from other men of that time. So, it is trying to speak of Noah in stark contrast to men of that time. So grace was not something that Noah had and God found it in his possession, rather Noah is the subject, or Object of God's Grace.

Eph 1:7 speaks of a payment Jesus made for our redemption; a payment given for us by, or though, God's Grace...IE Love, Mercy ect....a payment we can not afford and so he makes it for us. That is Grace.

Let's say you go to a grocery store and you see a woman and her kids trying to buy food but they have no money, and the store owner says; "it's Ok. Take the food". That is offering Grace. Weak analogy, but along those same lines.
 
In regards to Noah, Genesis 6:8 doesn't say that grace was found in Noah, but rather that Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. In other words, God extended Noah grace.

"Unmerited favor" is how the Calvinists describe grace, and I think that is a very good description.

From Strongs:
charis

2) good will, loving-kindness, favour
a) of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues

The loving-kindness of God is not something that we, rebellious sinners, all of us, up to and including Noah, deserve. All of us are sinners and all of us rightfully deserve judgment. That, "while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" is the clearest example of God's grace, the fact that even though we deserved punishment, He extended forgiveness and loving-kindness to us.
 
handy said:
In regards to Noah, Genesis 6:8 doesn't say that grace was found in Noah, but rather that Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. In other words, God extended Noah grace.
"Unmerited favor" is how the Calvinists describe grace, and I think that is a very good description.
From Strongs:
charis
2) good will, loving-kindness, favour
a) of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues

The loving-kindness of God is not something that we, rebellious sinners, all of us, up to and including Noah, deserve. All of us are sinners and all of us rightfully deserve judgment. That, "while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" is the clearest example of God's grace, the fact that even though we deserved punishment, He extended forgiveness and loving-kindness to us.

so what exactly is this unmerited favor? and what did you do to obtain it even today.
however you want to read Genesis about Noah he was under Grace as all the creation was.
Jesus died for our past sins.

lets read

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
 
Danus said:
ozell said:
What is Grace?

what is your understanding of grace?

why do the scriptures say grace was found in Noah? when did or did Noah ever lose grace? what did it have to be found?

Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

what is the significance of this verse?

Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

I think two good word definitions for grace as we might understand it would be "understanding" and "forgiveness". Both acts are of love. Grace is a lot of things within that line of understanding. Love, forgiveness, mercy....ect.

As for Gen 6:8, the bible is describing Noah as a man who loved God, who walked with God meaning he wanted to be a righteous man of God. Further the bible is sort of separating Noah from other men of that time. So, it is trying to speak of Noah in stark contrast to men of that time. So grace was not something that Noah had and God found it in his possession, rather Noah is the subject, or Object of God's Grace.

Eph 1:7 speaks of a payment Jesus made for our redemption; a payment given for us by, or though, God's Grace...IE Love, Mercy ect....a payment we can not afford and so he makes it for us. That is Grace.

Let's say you go to a grocery store and you see a woman and her kids trying to buy food but they have no money, and the store owner says; "it's Ok. Take the food". That is offering Grace. Weak analogy, but along those same lines.
a free gift :yes

what is grace? what is the free gist or unmerited favor Jesus has given us?

The Father explains it here and we all know this verse yet we have not understood the magnitude

Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

when did this plan originate

Rv 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


1Pt 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
 
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