What is Hell?

[JCMystic]

That is kind of you. If God reveals Himself to me one day, I will be a believer. Until then, I remain skeptical.


Quath

If you're such a NON-BELIEVER, why are you here?

why not do us all a favor and show yourself to the door? cause obvoiusly, you and us have nothing in common. :smt091

Idiot fool.


-BibleJunky :smt092

:-?
You don't speak for me. I'll be praying for him.

 

[<3Jesus<3]

i just think this way: think of the worst thing you can think of, and hell is 100 times worse than that, forever and ever

 

[Vic C.]

That is kind of you. If God reveals Himself to me one day, I will be a believer. Until then, I remain skeptical.

Quath

If you're such a NON-BELIEVER, why are you here?

why not do us all a favor and show yourself to the door? cause obvoiusly, you and us have nothing in common. :smt091

Idiot fool.

-BibleJunky :smt092

TWO things ... one, No calling anyone derogatory names. Scott has already addressed this issue with you in another post.

two... Quath is not breaking any rules with that statement. Please let the Moderators handle him if and when there is an infraction of our TOS.

Thanks,
Vic

Oh, there's a third thing... telling a nonbeliever you have nothing in common with them is a bad witness and is something Jesus would have never said. Lets leave uneven yokes to personal relationships. We can still fellowship with Quath and the other unbelievers here. It's all about planting seeds now, right? :wink:

 

[BibleJunky]

That is kind of you. If God reveals Himself to me one day, I will be a believer. Until then, I remain skeptical.

Quath

If you're such a NON-BELIEVER, why are you here?

why not do us all a favor and show yourself to the door? cause obvoiusly, you and us have nothing in common. :smt091

Idiot fool.

-BibleJunky :smt092

TWO things ... one, No calling anyone derogatory names. Scott has already addressed this issue with you in another post.

two... Quath is not breaking any rules with that statement. Please let the Moderators handle him if and when there is an infraction of our TOS.

Thanks,
Vic

Oh, there's a third thing... telling a nonbeliever you have nothing in common with them is a bad witness and is something Jesus would have never said. Lets leave uneven yokes to personal relationships. We can still fellowship with Quath and the other unbelievers here. It's all about planting seeds now, right? :wink:

You sir obviously don't know your BIBLE:

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
(2 Corinthians 6:14-18 KJV)

So, it stands to reason that we should NEVER fellowship with those who live in darkness, such as this unbeliever here, this is called Bibical seperation! It's totally Bibical! I will not answer this unbelieving person again.

But being you are the moderator of the forum. I wil abide by your so called "rules". But I will NOT break the commandments of the Word of God and fellowship with this unbelieving infidel.

In Christ,

BibleJunky

 

[Free]

So, it stands to reason that we should NEVER fellowship with those who live in darkness, such as this unbeliever here, this is called Bibical seperation! It's totally Bibical! I will not answer this unbelieving person again.

So much for the Great Commission.

But I will NOT break the commandments of the Word of God and fellowship with this unbelieving infidel.

In Christ,

Perhaps you can show where it is commanded that we call unbelievers names and think ourselves superior to them.

Speaking of Christ, in the context of what you stated, I am reminded of this passage:

Mat 9:10 And as Jesus reclined at table in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and were reclining with Jesus and his disciples.
Mat 9:11 And when the Pharisees saw this, they said to his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?"
Mat 9:12 But when he heard it, he said, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.
Mat 9:13 Go and learn what this means, 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.' For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners."

 

[Scott]

Huh? what are you talking about? What's UR? Was your post addressed to me?

I was wondering what the relationship between purification and the lake of fire is. I haven't gotten into the hell subject before so was just throwing some ideas out there.

Purification means that something is salvaged from the end result, that is where your idea collides with UR doctrine whether you realize it or not. Hell, as the Bible tells us, does not have a beneficial result for those who go there.

 

[Orthodoxy]

A scene that the Church teaches is this:

A bitter person ends up in the depths of hell. His Guardian Angel pleads before the throne of God to find one thing this bitter, wreatched old person has done. The angel tells the story that the person once threw an onion at a man to get rid of him because he was a begger. Surely God in His infinite mercy would save this person for this act, kindness without.

The angel then sees an onion being floated down to the depth of this persons hell. As it floats down the person grabs a hold of the Onion. Immediately the Onion begins to lift the person from his hell to a heavenly reward. Gently at first to the point all his friends in hell wonder where he is going and grab a hold of the Onion also as it drifts up towards Heaven and It's Glory. As more and more souls began to cling to the Onion and almost reach Heaven for nothing would stop it the person who's Onion it meant for yells out selfishly "let go! This is MY ONION!" Poof the Onion disappeared.

Hell.

Orthodoxy

 

[SputnikBoy]

I hate to rain on your parade, but I just want to let you know that UR is a banned topic on these forums. This (Apologetics) forum has an announcement explaining why.

Huh? what are you talking about? What's UR? Was your post addressed to me?

I was wondering what the relationship between purification and the lake of fire is. I haven't gotten into the hell subject before so was just throwing some ideas out there.

Sputnik: Until recently I shared your ignorance in regard to 'UR', Merry Menag. That was one of the terms that I'd never heard of until coming to this forum. If I'd been guilty of violating the TOS by virtue of this, I would never have known until someone pointed it out. This is somewhat like psychology and sociology ...who comes up with all of this high fallutin' terminology?

 

[Orthodoxy]

No way I hit send that many times where is delete on this thing!

 

[Orthodoxy]

Another vision of hell from the Church:

On the next post!

 

[Orthodoxy]

no wait it is the NEXT POST. Sorry for this major malfuntion.

 

[Orthodoxy]

Another vision of hell from the Church:

One day a bus pulls up in hell. The drive says "all aboard last stop Heaven!" Everyone in hell figures what the heck, big bus, lots of nice people, party time! So everyone piles on board. When the bus arrives in hell they all jump out. Suddenly the parties over. The sun is to bright to the point of blindness. The air is much to pure to breath, it is painful. The grass is green as green can be and hurts! The food and wine is so sweet their tongues burn. The birds sing much to loud there heads pound. Everything is just to "real" they mutter. There is nothing good in Heaven they think out loud as they murmer and complain. They hate this place and get back on the bus telling the driver to "hit the road".

Orthodoxy

 

[Vic C.]

Sputnik: Until recently I shared your ignorance in regard to 'UR', Merry Menag. That was one of the terms that I'd never heard of until coming to this forum. If I'd been guilty of violating the TOS by virtue of this, I would never have known until someone pointed it out. This is somewhat like psychology and sociology ...who comes up with all of this high fallutin' terminology?

It is simply an acronym for "Universal Reconcilation". There's about 3 or 4 threads and over 200 pages of posts in the Apologetics Forum. Find them, read through them and you will get a good idea why it has been banned from discussion. 8-)

 

[Merry Menagerie]

Weird! So those who don't have much knowledge of 'hell' and all it entails and who kinda wants to get into the discussion...have to be careful we don't go into discussion of a religion we know nothing about. If that's the case...then are we destined never to talk or learn about hell and discuss it? Just in case?

I'm not even a part of that religion - in fact Im not part of ANY religion. But I still want to learn though. Kinda makes it hard when certian things are banned which would help me to come to an understanding of a particular subject.

Are there any other subjects I must be careful of?

 

[Scott]

I'm sorry that it has to be that way. And yes, I realize many of you have no clue what UR is. I didn't either until about a year ago. If it was up to me personally, I'd allow it to be argued out because I know they never present any Biblical support. However the negative affect it had on the climate in this forum was a fair reason for it to be banned and I respect those who felt that things needed to change. It was done in the best interest of the forum. Don't feel singled out because I had to remind everyone of its banning, I realize you weren't intentionally trying to bring up the topic. But if I don't say anything usually one of the lingering UR's or those who come back under different usernames will jump right on it and try to get things going again.

My suggestion would be to address the issue when you come to it. If there is somewhere in God's Word that clearly supports that thinking in context with its passage, then by all means discuss the verse with others.

 

[Vic C.]

At this point I would like to suggest members read the TOS of this site here... http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=9219
and also read the sticky posts Scott posted at the top of this Apologetics Forum. 8-)

...If it was up to me personally, I'd allow it to be argued out because I know they never present any Biblical support. However the negative affect it had on the climate in this forum was a fair reason for it to be banned and I respect those who felt that things needed to change....

Agreed. It was not the subject matter that was intimidating, it was the manner in which this subject was debated, agrued actually. It just could not be discussed in a civlilzed fashon, no matter how many times people were warned.

I do encourage anyone who is interested in spending a night or two reading, to dig up these UR threads and read them for yourself. You will see how and why we came to the conclusion we did.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Orthodoxy:
Perhaps we should recommend the Brothers Karamazov and The Great Divorce, respectively? :wink:

 

[Vic C.]

Orthodoxy:
Perhaps we should recommend the Brothers Karamazov and The Great Divorce, respectively? :wink:

Why? Were Dostoevsky and Lewis UR's?


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[Orthodox Christian]

Orthodoxy:
Perhaps we should recommend the Brothers Karamazov and The Great Divorce, respectively? :wink:

Why? Were Dostoevsky and Lewis UR's?


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Actually, Dostoevsky and Lewis were the authors whose images Orthodoxy mentioned above.

Once upon a time there was a peasant woman and a very wicked woman she was. And she died and did not leave a single good deed behind. The devils caught her and plunged her into the lake of fire. So her guardian angel stood and wondered what good deed of hers he could remember to tell to God; ‘She once pulled up an onion in her garden,’ said he, ‘and gave it to a beggar woman.’ And God answered: ‘You take that onion then, hold it out to her in the lake, and let her take hold and be pulled out. And if you can pull her out of the lake, let her come to Paradise, but if the onion breaks, then the woman must stay where she is.’ The angel ran to the woman and held out the onion to her. ‘Come,’ said he, ‘catch hold and I’ll pull you out.’ he began cautiously pulling her out. He had just pulled her right out, when the other sinners in the lake, seeing how she was being drawn out, began catching hold of her so as to be pulled out with her. But she was a very wicked woman and she began kicking them. ‘I’m to be pulled out, not you. It’s my onion, not yours.’ As soon as she said that, the onion broke. And the woman fell into the lake and she is burning there to this day. So the angel wept and went away.

Brothers Kazamarov, Ch 3

Doesn't read very UR, does it?

Preface to The Great Divorce

I do not think that all who choose wrong roads perish; but their rescue consists in being put back on the right road. A wrong sum can be put right: but only by going back till you find the error and working it afresh from that point, never by simply going on.

Evil can be undone, but it cannot "develop: into good. Time does not heal it. The spell must be unwound, bit by bit, "with backward mutters of dissevering power"  or else not. It is still "either-or." If we insist on keeping Hell (or even earth) we shall not see Heaven: if we accept Heaven we shall not be able to retain even the smallest and most intimate souvenirs of Hell. I believe, to be sure, that any man who reaches Heaven will find that what he abandoned was precisely nothing": that the kernel of what he was really seeking even in his most depraved wishes will be there, beyond expectation, waiting for him in "the High Countries." In that sense it will be true for those who have completed the journey (and for no others) to say that good is everything and Heaven everywhere. But we, at this end of the road, must not try to anticipate that retrospective vision. If we do, we are likely to embrace the false and disastrous converse and fancy that everything is good and everywhere is Heaven.

Also not UR.

And,as the title of the book implies, heaven and hell are not one and the same.

 

[Quath]

If you're such a NON-BELIEVER, why are you here?

why not do us all a favor and show yourself to the door? cause obvoiusly, you and us have nothing in common.

The second question is a large part of why I am here. I think Christians and nonbelievers have a whole lot in common. For one they both think Muslims got it wrong. But they may also agree on politics, sports and music. There is just one issue in which they really disagree.

If I am so offensive to you, then I would suggest putting me on your ignore list.

Quath