What is the Strong Delusion? Extraterrestrial Designers seeded belief in God

[Alfred Persson]

[FONT=&quot]What is the Strong Delusion? Extraterrestrial Designers seeded belief in God [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2Th 2:11-12 NKJ)[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]What precisely will the strong delusion lie propose? That Extraterrestrial scientists intelligently designed life on this planet and seeded belief in God. They will cite the explosion of life in the Cambrian fossils as their doing. Ancient history and holy books which record their visitations and technology are cited to "prove" they gave us God and belief in the human soul. Archaeological sites like Puma Punku seem to confirm past visitations. Added to this a verifiable UFO landing and universal "contactee phenomena" breaking out among even the most skeptical and you have the makings of a Great Falling Away from belief in God.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The extraterrestrial argument is a false dilemma, Although God's angels use technology ( "The Spaceships of the Prophet Ezekiel",J.F. Blumrich), it does not follow their message was not from God precisely as the Bible says it is.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]For more on angels, their technology and the nature of reality itself, their Teleios and our Meros:[/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]The following summarizes the rapid fire events that will rapidly come to pass once the final eschatological week has begun. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]A worldwide falling away from traditional beliefs in Deity must come first, so the "man of sin" can rise up in the Temple of God, which is the Church. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. (2Th 2:3-4 NKJ)[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The arrival of the "Designers" will be according to energy of Satan, with all power, signs and wonders that are "lying" because they powerfully convince all to believe the lie, not because they aren't real.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2Th 2:10-12 NKJ)[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Because men chose not to believe God's Word of Truth the Bible, He stops restraining the fallen angels from appearing once again in our sphere of existence, thus "sending" us Satan's hybrid human/angel seed who would rise and strike Christ in the heel (Gen 3:15). This is that Antichrist scripture predicted would come (1 Jn 2:18ff; 4:3ff; 2 Jo 1:7), an apostate Christian who betrays Christ like Judas, hence is called the "son of destruction" (2 Th 2:3; Jo 17:12).[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]He will ride like God upon the wing of an abomination, a Satanically energized craft desolating all who would oppose him (Da 9:27) by fire from heaven (Re 13:13), and men will say "who can make war against him" (Re 13:4).[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate." (Dan 9:27 NKJ) (see Keil, C. F., & Delitzsch, F. (2002). Commentary on the Old Testament. (Da 9:27). Peabody, MA: Hendrickson. [/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]The hybid seed rose up as a Saviour the first part of the week, and makes a covenant with the world's religions, to bring about paradise on earth together with them. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. (Dan 9:27 NKJ)[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]All the world's religions agree to follow him, they are called here "Mystery Babylon" or "Babylon the Great" because similar world wide rebellion first appeared in ancient Babylon (Gen 11:9), This is what is meant by "Babylon is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons." All the worlds religions forsake their former beliefs, and practice spiritism, behaving as contactees in communion with demons.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Then the True God takes vengeance, putting it into the heart of world's rulers to destroy the now obsolete religions: [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]16 "And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 17 "For God has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled. (Rev 17:16-17 NKJ)[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]All are ordered to accept the Mark of the beast. Hence the wilderness of Babylon no longer shields the Daughter of Zion, the Elect of God from harm (Re 12:1-6) so she is ordered to come out:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. (Rev 13:16-17 NKJ)[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 5 "For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] (Rev 18:4-5 NKJ)[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]For a time it is granted the power of God's people be smashed to bits, but then the end shall come:[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished. (Dan 12:7 NKJ)[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, "Write:`Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them."[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 14 Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe."[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 16 So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] (Rev 14:11-16 NKJ)[/FONT]


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[Scotth1960]

Hey buddy! Like, weird, man! Really weird!

Scott Harrington a human not an extraterrestrial or an angel

 

[reba]

Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


The strong delusion was that Jesus was not the Messiah.

He performed miracles before their eyes, He talked face to face with them and they still chose Caesar. Ceasar the pagan caesar the man. We have no king but ceasar! Ceasar was said to be GOD.

 

[Pizzaguy]

Hey buddy! Like, weird, man! Really weird!

Scott Harrington a human not an extraterrestrial or an angel

Ok, now HERE we agree, Scott.

To be fair, he posts that is it a "false dilemma":
[FONT=&quot]The extraterrestrial argument is a false dilemma, Although God's angels use technology [/FONT]

But this "God's angels use technology"???? Ok, that's a new one on me.
Spirit beings using "technology"?

Ok, this confirms it ... time for bed.

 

[Cornelius]

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The delusion has to do with what is written in the Bible. It comes to those who do not love the truth of the Word. The delusion comes when people only read the words (letter) and do not go to God for their understanding. Only He knows the whole truth.

I will try and say it like this : The Word (in total) is the Prophecy and the "testimony" of Jesus. That testimony of Jesus is written down in a book we call the Bible (Prophecy). But that testimony has a spirit that goes beyond the mere letters written. (The Bible calls it "hidden manna" in Rev 2:17. People who do not truth, only study the letters written (the letter of the Word , which Paul tells us "kills")2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Now jump to Revelation and see that the true testimony of Jesus is indeed the "spirit" of the Word (Prophecy) : Rev 19:10 ....for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

So the delusion God sent to those who do not love the truth, is that they can only see the letter of the Word. They will believe the false signs and wonders, because they do not know the Word. They believe any doctrine that they are given by their leaders, because they love not the Word and the truth.

The believe the letter, and it will kill them.

 

[Strangelove]

Alfred,

If you are saying that a possible fake UFO invasion/contact could be in the pipeline as part of the myriad of deceit that satan will use in the endtimes to take peoples attention away from God then, yes, I agree with you this will be one part of it...or one link in the overall plan. Technology will be used to deceive.

[video=youtube;yvOIJRUtzWg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvOIJRUtzWg[/video]

The strong delusion that God sends will be to allow people who are not strong in the word to believe these lies.

Doc.

 

[Sam21]

Humm...Duplantis said that his angel took him to Heaven in some kind of vehicle while Pittman said that the angels just took him from the hospital room directly into the spirit realm without a vehicle. I don't see why the angels of God would need any kind of technology...maybe the otherside would need it.

 

[reba]

.......

So the delusion God sent to those who do not love the truth, is that they can only see the letter of the Word. They will believe the false signs and wonders, because they do not know the Word. They believe any doctrine that they are given by their leaders, because they love not the Word and the truth.

The believe the letter, and it will kill them.

reba

Re: What is the Strong Delusion? Extraterrestrial Designers seeded belief in God
Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


The strong delusion was that Jesus was not the Messiah.

He performed miracles before their eyes, He talked face to face with them and they still chose Caesar. Ceasar the pagan caesar the man. We have no king but ceasar! Ceasar was said to be GOD.​

The Bible is about Christ. Not about this generation

 

[whitney]

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

The delusion has to do with what is written in the Bible. It comes to those who do not love the truth of the Word. The delusion comes when people only read the words (letter) and do not go to God for their understanding. Only He knows the whole truth.

I will try and say it like this : The Word (in total) is the Prophecy and the "testimony" of Jesus. That testimony of Jesus is written down in a book we call the Bible (Prophecy). But that testimony has a spirit that goes beyond the mere letters written. (The Bible calls it "hidden manna" in Rev 2:17. People who do not truth, only study the letters written (the letter of the Word , which Paul tells us "kills")2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Now jump to Revelation and see that the true testimony of Jesus is indeed the "spirit" of the Word (Prophecy) : Rev 19:10 ....for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

So the delusion God sent to those who do not love the truth, is that they can only see the letter of the Word. They will believe the false signs and wonders, because they do not know the Word. They believe any doctrine that they are given by their leaders, because they love not the Word and the truth.

The believe the letter, and it will kill them.

1 Corinthians 2:6-16 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ

 

[Cornelius]

1 Corinthians 2:6-16 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ

Amen

 

[Alfred Persson]

Alfred,

If you are saying that a possible fake UFO invasion/contact could be in the pipeline as part of the myriad of deceit that satan will use in the endtimes to take peoples attention away from God then, yes, I agree with you this will be one part of it...or one link in the overall plan. Technology will be used to deceive.

[video=youtube;yvOIJRUtzWg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvOIJRUtzWg[/video]

The strong delusion that God sends will be to allow people who are not strong in the word to believe these lies.

Doc.

Precisely:

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(Rev 12:7-9 KJV)

After God casts these angels out, they land on earth pretending to be ufo aliens, claiming they seeded the Cambrian strata with life...and mankind with belief in God and the human soul...

The falling away is the entire earth believing the lie, it comes first so that the Antichrist can rise, and he won't be representing former religions, such as Christianity, he is the Christ of a new god, a god of forces, a new god unknown to mankind, and he will claim its power makes him God:

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. (2Th 2:3-4 NKJ)

36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain. (Dan 11:36-39 KJV)

This is where alien ufos back the new world religion with their technology, they are the "god of forces".

At the beginning of the final eschatological week, there is war in heaven and Satan and crew are cast out. Then the Antichrist rises and for the first part of the week he makes a covenant with all the religions of the world, Babylon the Great, who agree to follow him because he is doing miracles, and apparently the alien ufos are with him.

That is when Babylon falls into total apostasy from God, to profess faith in the Antichrist as God, and they all become "contactees," having familiar spirits, communing with demons, the false prophets of the antichrist spirits

KJV 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; (1Ti 4:1 KJV)

KJV 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (1Jo 4:1 KJV)

It is because Babylon has fallen and become the house of demons:

2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. (Rev 18:2 KJV)


So the great delusion is the message the "god of forces" will bring with him, when Satan's stars (fallen angels) are cast out of heaven, and land on earth---as ufo aliens claiming to be a race of scientists who seeded life on earth and gave it its belief in God and the human soul.

THAT is the falling away that affects Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism etc...they all see the aliens, and believe the earths religions are all obsolete...all sacrifice and offering to God ceases...the entire earth promises to follow the new gods whom their fathers did not know, the god of forces...the ufo aliens and their representative, the Antichrist, a human/angel hybrid possessed by the Devil.

They seek to change "times and laws", everything:

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (Dan 7:25 KJV)

But then the True God, jealous for His Name, will take them down:

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. (Dan 7:26-27 KJV)

 

[Strangelove]

It seems you have it all figured out Alfred. Just a few things.

Precisely:

After God casts these angels out, they land on earth pretending to be ufo aliens, claiming they seeded the Cambrian strata with life...and mankind with belief in God and the human soul...

So, your saying God will send out angels disguised as aliens in UFO's? It seems your stating this as fact Alfred, when actually you have no sound basis for assuming this. Mankind has the technology to produce this kind of deception without God's intervention so, why the need for angels? Why not simply let satan continue to use the evil men on earth to to the deceiving?

The falling away is the entire earth believing the lie, it comes first so that the Antichrist can rise, and he won't be representing former religions, such as Christianity, he is the Christ of a new god, a god of forces, a new god unknown to mankind, and he will claim its power makes him God:

Apostacy menas a falling away from the true faith. That counts out most of the people of the Earth, so it cant be the whole Earth believing the lie. Thats not apostacy.

This is where alien ufos back the new world religion with their technology, they are the "god of forces".

I agree there may be a deception involving 'aliens' backing the one world religion

At the beginning of the final eschatological week, there is war in heaven and Satan and crew are cast out. Then the Antichrist rises and for the first part of the week he makes a covenant with all the religions of the world, Babylon the Great, who agree to follow him because he is doing miracles, and apparently the alien ufos are with him.

Ok maybe you dont have it all figured out. If ytour talking about the 70th week of Daniel, I see that as fulfilled already, in the Messianic era.

Babylon the great is a specific City. It doesnt represent ALL religions of the world, especially not true Christianity. Although all false religion stems from it's teachings..its still a City.

Mystery, Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots

Man of Sin, Son of Perdition is the end time baddie. Not THE Antichrist. Antichrist is a verb.

I can definatley see the U.N. making a pact with fake aliens though. They have a 'alien ambassader' already.

UN 'to appoint space ambassador to greet alien visitors'

That is when Babylon falls into total apostasy from God, to profess faith in the Antichrist as God, and they all become "contactees," having familiar spirits, communing with demons, the false prophets of the antichrist spirits

KJV 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; (1Ti 4:1 KJV)

KJV 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. (1Jo 4:1 KJV)

Yeah I dont think those verses are talking about aliens buddy. I think all this stuff is gonna be brought on by mankind, self inflicted..ministers of satan, all overlooked by God who allows it to happen.

It is because Babylon has fallen and become the house of demons:

So the great delusion is the message the "god of forces" will bring with him, when Satan's stars (fallen angels) are cast out of heaven, and land on earth---as ufo aliens claiming to be a race of scientists who seeded life on earth and gave it its belief in God and the human soul.

Thats far out man. I think the strong delusion is a heart condition that will effect those who dont love the truth. Not a message 'aliens' will bring. What makes you so sure about all this? None of us really know how all this is gonna pan out.

THAT is the falling away that affects Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism etc...they all see the aliens, and believe the earths religions are all obsolete...all sacrifice and offering to God ceases...the entire earth promises to follow the new gods whom their fathers did not know, the god of forces...the ufo aliens and their representative, the Antichrist, a human/angel hybrid possessed by the Devil.

Again, apostacy cannot effect those in false religions. You have to know the true faith in order to apostacize from it. You have to be 'Christian' even if your not a true Christian in order to become apostate.

They seek to change "times and laws", everything:

But then the True God, jealous for His Name, will take them down:

Hmmm....I think your in the right area Alfred, keeping a look out for deception, but you've gone a bit over the top with your imagination fella.

Lets keep talking about it though with an open mind. Either of us could be wrong.

Ok?

 

[Sam21]

I think the strong delusion is already here, it is the heart and mind condition of many christians that believe that one can interpret the bible with truth and integrity and then resort to denial and manipulation(for a reason)and THEN jump RIGHT BACK into truth and integrity...WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCES FOR THAT ACTION. This practice of jumping from TRUTH to a LIE and then back to TRUTH is a definite picture of someone who does not respect or love truth. The reason the pre-trib rapture is firmly in place in much of the church leadership today is because of this practice.

 

[tim-from-pa]

After God casts these angels out, they land on earth pretending to be ufo aliens, claiming they seeded the Cambrian strata with life...and mankind with belief in God and the human soul...

The falling away is the entire earth believing the lie, it comes first so that the Antichrist can rise, and he won't be representing former religions, such as Christianity, he is the Christ of a new god, a god of forces, a new god unknown to mankind, and he will claim its power makes him God:

I like this odd kind of stuff. This is what I call the repetition of the Genesis 6 incident with angelic-human hybrids. I have a similar view on this, that perhaps Antichrist will even be physically the seed of one of these angelic beings, and much like the days of old (i.e. "as in the days of Noah"), the result will be so impressive that people think this is an incarnation, like a Christ.

On a more humorous note, there is a theory out there (and it's just a theory) that the fallen angels that married the women, or I should say some that came later to produce giants, had to give up some of their powers to form themselves from a spirit to a body in order to marry the women. They kept their vast intelligence, but they sacrificed mobility and instead designed marvelous crafts to take them from place to place--- thus the explanation of some UFO's. If I were an angel, I'd doubt I'd give all that up for any woman.

 

[Sam21]

You know folks, the more I look at it the more I am beginning to think that the popular idea that the Jews will build a temple for the antichrist to profane,might not be true. There are some serious problems with the idea, one is, it is not biblical for Christ rejecting Jews to be able to build a temple that God would dwell in(that is a big one). Also, Paul did not use the common word for the temple building but Paul used the word that actually designated where God was. The word Paul used was also used in the NT to mean the church. Paul did not say that the antichrist would enter a building called the temple of God and proclaim himself to be god, Paul said the antichrist would go into the actually dwelling place of God and proclaim that he was god. Because this is mixed with the great forsaking of the faith it seems to imply much more than the profaning of a building called the temple of God. Any ideas on this one?

 

[zone]

[FONT=&quot]27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.[/FONT]

only problem is, this passage is ABOUT JESUS.

DAN 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Six things will come to pass and be fulfilled to usher in the Messianic hope in the 70 weeks as revealed to Daniel:​

#1) To finish the transgression;
#2) To make an end of sins;
#3) To make reconciliation for iniquity;
#4) To bring in everlasting righteousness;
#5) To seal the vision and the prophecy;
#6) To anoint the Most Holy.​

Any attempt to sever the 70th week from the previous 69 and say there is a gap in between, is for the purpose of denying that Jesus is the Messiah that fulfilled all of the six events to take place as predicted in the prophecy. There is no gap, the Kingdom was not postponed.​

None of the six events can be fulfilled without the purpose being focused upon Jesus. All six are fulfilled in Him. If fulfilled in Him, then they must all come to pass during the first advent, not delayed or postponed to a future date when the Church is alleged not to be here having been secretly snatched away.​

These six events prove the validity of the New Testament and the Church and that not one of the six has been delayed or postponed.​

The 70th week was half fulfilled during the life-time of Messiah and the other half or three and one half years in the Church, ending when the times of the Gentiles was fully come in. The 69th week ended and the 70th week began when Jesus walked down the banks of the Jordan to be baptized of John. When John said: behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world, he was for the first time identifying Jesus as the Messiah. There would be 69 weeks UNTIL Messiah.

When Jesus came he said these words: THE TIME IS FULFILLED (Mark 1:15, Matt.26:54 he spoke of the 69 weeks past and the 70th week in progress). Messiah was to be cut off after 69 weeks and in the midst of the next (Dan 9:27). In the 70th he would cause all animal sacrifices to cease for remission of sin forever. He was cut off during a week and since the 69 were past, there remains only the 70th to be cut off in. If Jesus was not cut off in the 70th week, then the entire 70 weeks have no relationship to Jesus at all, and that is simply not true.

DAN 9:27 And he (Jesus) shall confirm the covenant ( Rom 15:8) with many for one week (70th): and in the midst of the week he (Jesus) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (by the Cross), and for the overspreading of abominations (of the antichrist Pharisees and Sadducees) he shall make it (the old Temple) desolate, even until the consummation (70AD destruction), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate (the Temple torn down not one stone remaining upon another).

To anoint the Most Holy was fulfilled when Jesus was baptized in the Jordan River as a signal the Messianic 70th week had begun, see Luke 4:18. The body of Jesus was the temple of God replacing the temple on Mount Moriah. The fulness of the Godhead now dwelt in Messiah, whereas before the Babylonian Captivity it dwelt behind the vail in the holy of holies. We (our bodies) are now the Temple of God, not a cursed and rejected old Temple site (1Cor. 3:16-17). That site was left eternally desolate (Mat. 23:38). The 70th Week was fulfilled three and one half years into the Church when the Gentiles were grafted in to bring the 70th week's completion and the Messianic hope to its full reality.

from: Jesus Messieh church
*i do not agree with some doctrine at this source*z

 

[Alfred Persson]

only problem is, this passage is ABOUT JESUS.

DAN 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Six things will come to pass and be fulfilled to usher in the Messianic hope in the 70 weeks as revealed to Daniel:​

#1) To finish the transgression;
#2) To make an end of sins;
#3) To make reconciliation for iniquity;
#4) To bring in everlasting righteousness;
#5) To seal the vision and the prophecy;
#6) To anoint the Most Holy.​

The Messiah is cut off in the Seventieth week ("after" 7+62) and His Death ushered in the New Covenant which fulfilled all the goals listed in v. 24, "To finish the transgression (Rom 4:15), To make an end of sins (Rom 6:22; Heb 9:26)), To make reconciliation for iniquity (2 Cor 5:18), To bring in everlasting righteousness (Rom 3:21f), To seal up vision and prophecy (Luk 16:16; Mat. 5:17; Acts 10:43), And to anoint the Most Holy (Luk 4:18 cp Joh. 2:18ff)."


I can't agree with the commentaries on the seventy weeks, the plain reading is these are 70 contiguous weeks segments of which are characterized by unique events.

24 Seventy weeks are determined ([FONT=&quot]נֶחְתַּךְ 2852[/FONT]) upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. (Dan 9:24 KJV)


The 70 weeks are contiguous as these were "cut out" as a specific length of time, that is how they were "determined." They weren't "cut out" separately or in separate pieces.


26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: (Dan 9:26 KJV)

AFTER the 62 weeks, which is after the 7 = 70 weeks.

"And After", conjunctive preposition, its a segment AFTER those just listed.

Therefore its fitting Christ have the entire 70th week all to Himself.


Verse division is not inspired, verse 26 should have ended with the advent of the New Covenant in Christ's blood.

So Dan 9:26a has the Messiah fulfilling all the goals of Dan 9:24 with His death. 26b refers to the Titus destroying the Temple in AD 70, and 26c the continuing desolation that culminated in the Jews being driven out of Palestine by Hadrian about AD 132.

While Dan 9:27 can be rendered with the personal pronoun "he" making it refer to the "prince who is to come," it is NOT required:

LXT Daniel 9:27 κα[FONT=&quot]ὶ[/FONT] δυναστε[FONT=&quot]ύ[/FONT]σει [FONT=&quot]ἡ[/FONT] διαθ[FONT=&quot]ή[/FONT]κη ε[FONT=&quot]ἰ[/FONT]ς πολλο[FONT=&quot]ύ[/FONT]ς (Dan 9:27 LXT)
LXE Daniel 9:27 And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation. (Dan 9:27 LXE)


BBE Daniel 9:27 And a strong order will be sent out against the great number for one week; and so for half of the week the offering and the meal offering will come to an end; and in its place will be an unclean thing causing fear; till the destruction which has been fixed is let loose on him who has made waste. (Dan 9:27 BBE)

Grammatically the pronoun could be left out.

The "prophetic telescoping" is NOT with the Temple in Jerusalem and a rebuilt Temple in the end time, because Gabriel separates 70 AD and the end time, inserting the "times of the Gentiles":

"And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. (Luk 21:24 NKJ)

So we must look for a time period that contains the identifying 3 1/2 years, and that occurs after the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled:

NKJ Daniel 12:7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.

NKJ Revelation 12:6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days (Rev 12:6 NKJ)


Critically speaking, this view is parsimonous, conforming to the details of the text, while the commentaries, by separating the weeks, make it impossible the destruction of the temple, and Christ's advent, be in the same week.

Therefore I might characterize the "accepted views" on this, BIZARRE.



Gabriel keeps talking however, he continues prophesying about what happens after the 70 weeks, that the Temple will be destroyed, and later, the Jews led captive into all the nations.

Therefore the week in the book of Revelation, is NOT part of the 70 weeks, and it can be separated from them by thousands of years.

But do the commentaries exegete this critically...no, they all put the 70th week in the end time.

AND THAT IS BIZARRE, as Daniel's usage of weeks doesn't allow it:

If we study Daniel's use of "weeks" (7620 [FONT=&quot]שָׁבוּעַ[/FONT], lit., "sevens"), he clearly means contiguous weeks.

"Seven weeks" and "threescore and two weeks" are misleading if they don't refer to two units of time, one totaling 7 adjoining weeks, the other also 62 contiguous weeks.


Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks(7620), and threescore and two weeks(7620): the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. (KJV)


Here we see one week divided into segments where different events occur, but not implying these are separate in a group of more than one literal week:

Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week(7620): and in the midst of the week(7620) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (KJV)


Daniels' mourning occurs in three weeks total, not three divided weeks in a longer period of time.

Dan 10:2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks(7620). (KJV)

Dan 10:3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks(7620) were fulfilled. (KJV)


Its impossible we divide these "weeks", they are contiguous as seen by Daniels' usage of "weeks."

 

[Alfred Persson]

Someone will say "this is Bizarre."

It should be recalled how inconsistent it is to label this bizarre when you fully accept angels are a race of beings who are not "terrestrial."

I argue the church has misunderstood the scriptures about angels, she has accepted incorrect Greek philosophical views about reality, that prevent her from seeing this correctly.

Scripture says there are two realms of existence, one is the MEROS (partial), the other the TELEIOS (complete) 1 Cor 13:10. These are alternate realities....and the inhabitants of both are physical...otherwise how could Jesus sit on His throne, physically, or Moses and Elijah and Enoch, be there also?

Consider the resurrection appearances of Christ, He enters and leaves our MEROS, at will:

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
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this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. (Act 1:9-11 KJV)

Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
(Joh 20:19 KJV)

Christ didn't ooze through the locked door or walls like a spirit, He "stood in the midst", that is, appeared in our MEROS, physically.

The transfiguration wasn't a dream, it was a coming of the TELEIOS with power, intersecting our MEROS:

And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus. (Mar 9:1-4 KJV)


Clearly the idea angels are spirits (sometimes) in our realm, does not prevent they are physical in their realm and can be so in ours (Gen c. 18-19)...to say otherwise is to deny the teaching of scripture.

Therefore, that fallen angels might pretend to be ufo aliens, and proclaim God doesn't exist, is not a bizarre concept...in fact, given the data, it would be bizarre he not do it, given how well that would work for his Antichrist and his new religion...make all previous religions, obsolete as it were, in the minds of the unsaved.

But the elect won't be deceived.

KJV Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
(Mat 24:24 KJV)

 

[Alfred Persson]

You know folks, the more I look at it the more I am beginning to think that the popular idea that the Jews will build a temple for the antichrist to profane,might not be true. There are some serious problems with the idea, one is, it is not biblical for Christ rejecting Jews to be able to build a temple that God would dwell in(that is a big one). Also, Paul did not use the common word for the temple building but Paul used the word that actually designated where God was. The word Paul used was also used in the NT to mean the church. Paul did not say that the antichrist would enter a building called the temple of God and proclaim himself to be god, Paul said the antichrist would go into the actually dwelling place of God and proclaim that he was god. Because this is mixed with the great forsaking of the faith it seems to imply much more than the profaning of a building called the temple of God. Any ideas on this one?

I agree, the falling away is a Christian falling away, not a Jewish one. What does a Christian falling away have to do with the Jewish Temple...nothing, therefore "temple of God" is the church.

Moreover, note the association is the same, Temple of God, and a defiler who then is himself destroyed:


16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are. (1Co 3:16-17 NKJ)

Compare:

4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things?
6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time.
7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
(2Th 2:4-7 NKJ)

And:

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate." (Dan 9:27 NKJ)


Another error folks make when connecting this to the literal Temple, is misunderstanding "wing of abominations" as though its a part of the Temple...that makes no sense because its "riding winged abomination" that makes other desolate:
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[FONT=&quot]The Desolator will ride on a "chariot of God" (cp Ps 18:10 cherub), a ufo[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]"And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate." (Dan 9:27 NKJ)[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]“on the wings of abomination he comes desolating.†עַל כָּנָף can, without ingenuity, be rendered in no other way than on wings. שִׁקּוּצִים signifies not acts of abomination, but objects of abomination, things causing abomination, and is constantly used of the heathen gods, idol-images, sacrifices to the gods, and other heathen abominations. The connection of שִׁקּוּצִים permits us, however, with Reichel, Ebrard, Kliefoth, and Kranichfeld, to think on nothing else than that wings (כָּנָף) are attributed to the שִׁקּוּצִים. The sing. כְּנַף does not oppose this, since it is often used collectively in a peculiar and figurative meaning; cf. e.g., בַּעַל כָּנָף, Prov. 1:17, with בַּעַל כְּנָפַיִם, Eccles. 10:20, the winged, the bird; and כְּנַף הָאָרֶץ (from the uttermost part of the earth), Isa. 24:16, is not different from כַּנְפֹות הָאָרֶץ, Job 37:3; 38:13, just as אֶבְרָה, wing, plumage, Ps. 91:4, Deut. 32:11, is found for אֶבְרֹות (wings), Ps. 68:14. But from such passages as Deut. 32:11, Ex. 19:4, and Ps. 18:11, we perceive the sense in which wings are attributed to the שִׁקּוּצִים, the idolatrous objects.82 In the first of these passages (Deut. 32:11), wings, the wings of an eagle, are attributed to God, because He is the power which raises up Israel, and lifting it up, and carrying it throughout its history, guides it over the earth. In P. 18 wings are attributed to the wind, because the wind is contemplated as the power which carries out the will of God throughout the kingdom of nature. “Thus in this passage wings are attributed to the שִׁקּוּצִים, idol-objects, and to idolatry with its abominations, because that shall be the power which lifts upwards the destroyer and desolater, carries him, and moves with him over the earth to lay waste†(Klief.).83[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Keil, C. F., & Delitzsch, F. (2002). Commentary on the Old Testament. (Da 9:27). Peabody, MA: Hendrickson.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot](Klief.).83[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Similarly, and independently of Kliefoth, Kranichfeld also explains the words: “The powerful heathen enemy of God is here conceived of as carried on (עַל) these wings of the idol-abomination, like as the God of the theocracy is borne on the wings of the clouds, and on cherubim, who are His servants; cf. Ps. 18:11; 104:3.â€[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Keil, C. F., & Delitzsch, F. (2002). Commentary on the Old Testament. Peabody, MA: Hendrickson.[/FONT]
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[Alfred Persson]

[FONT=&quot]The locusts of Rev 9[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]As it is impossible humans see the "seal of God" on the foreheads of His people, the following cannot refer to human armament. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]1 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 3 Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 5 And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 6 In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 7 The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle. On their heads were crowns of something like gold, and their faces were like the faces of men.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 8 They had hair like women's hair, and their teeth were like lions' teeth.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 9 And they had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the sound of chariots with many horses running into battle.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 10 They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. Their power was to hurt men five months.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 11 And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon. (Rev 9:1-11 NKJ)[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]These fallen angels released from the Abyss ([/FONT][FONT=&quot]ἄ[/FONT][FONT=&quot]βυσσος) of Torment (Luk 8:31) are still bound (Jude 1:6) by God's will, that is the meaning of Locusts prohibited from eating the vegetation they voraciously crave (9:4), they are compelled to torment their own followers rather than the children of God they despise (cp 1 Sa 16:14; Acts 5:16; Isa 50:11).[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The crowns indicate these fallen angels "Nephilim; fallen ones" (Gen 6:4) once reigned as kings in the antediluvian world and were contemporaries of the "sons of God" who were seduced by the women of men, effectively joining the satanic plot to produce a hybrid human-angel seed to war against the seed of the woman (Gen 3:15).. The long hair and lions teeth indicate they are extremely vicious and blood thirsty warriors who once feasted on human and animal blood (cp Gen 9:4-6). Their breastplates of iron symbolizes imperviousness, the sound of chariots and many horses their power to rip into and shred infantry. They stung their victims like scorpions, who hold their prey while their tail administers the tormenting poison.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Their ruler is the Devil "who would be The King"---incarnate in the hybrid human "son of perdition" (John 13:27; 17:12l 2 Th 2:3), that is the meaning of the Hebrew "Abaddon"---Destruction, the angel who Destroyed many only to be destroyed himself (Dan 9:27; Rev 20:10),. The symbolic name Apollyon confirms, it being a cryptic reference to emperors who claimed to be the Greek god Apollos incarnate.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]These locust demons are bound to do God's will, while their king Satan helplessly watches, for five months. The limit implies these return to their torments in the Abyss after they have accomplished all God has commanded they do. No doubt this entire experience was additional torment to what they already suffer.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]To sum up, this is not a reference to angelic or human technology, nor ufo aliens as their existence is only a strong delusion.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The horrible punishment of these spiritists should have compelled others to repentance, but it did not:[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]20 But the rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, that they should not worship demons, and idols of gold, silver, brass, stone, and wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 21 And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries1 or their sexual immorality or their thefts. (Rev 9:20-21 NKJ)[/FONT]