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what is unhealthy and a sin.

jasoncran

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I guarantee you are mistaken about the 4 % figure - there is no way that 4 % of participants in a marathon die of tachycardia - which is exactly what is implied by your claim.

They would not hold these races if that were true.

In any event, sure there is a risk in everything, but in smoking its all risk. When you train for a marathon, or anything else athletic, you are more than likely improving your health, even though there is some downside risk.

Smoking is entirely different -there is no upside to it at all.

So these things are not analogous.



first off you place words in my mouth, i never said the heart attacks kill, they are the hearts way of saying i cant handle the stress so i will stop for a second and restart. the attack causes no damage.

second where do you stop? in fact i will do a thread on that style of legalism and i will add sun bathing is a sin as well per my wife own expercience we had to pay 2g for surgery as she had lumps from sun bathing that she did in the 70's . one tan did that to her., and yet i doubt you would come to florida and where clothes over all your skin when you fish, swim etc.

you dont need to sunbathe either theres no up side to that.


BELMONT, Mass., Oct. 17 (AScribe News) Marathon running may trigger a cascade of potentially heart-damaging events, as reported by McLean Hospital researchers in back-to-back papers in the Oct. 17 American Journal of Cardiology.

Dr. Arthur Siegel, director of Internal Medicine at McLean, and his collaborators analyzed the blood of marathoners less than 24 hours after finishing a race and found abnormally high levels of inflammatory and clotting factors of the kind that are known to set the stage for heart attack.
"My concern is for people who exercise thinking 'more is better,' and that marathon running will provide ultimate protection against heart disease," Siegel said. "In fact, it can set off a cascade of events that may transiently increase the risk for acute cardiac events."
Does that mean you should hang up your running shoes?
"No, not at all," said Dr. Charles Schulman, president of the American Running Association. "But it does mean we need to understand more about marathon training and how the human body reacts to stress. "I'm concerned that running a marathon has come to be viewed as a modern rite of passage," Schulman said. "Dr. Siegel's research may lead us to conclude that running a marathon is not a panacea. In fact, coupled with poor or improper training, it could lead to consequences much more serious than just the usual running injury."

Few studies have defined the cardiovascular risks imposed by a 26-mile run on a person with a presumably healthy heart. However, it is known that there are diminishing returns from the benefits of exercise as intensity and duration are increased. What's more, other studies indicate that overtraining leads to decreases in immune function and increases your risk of disease.
Also troubling, Siegel and his colleagues found that early stage markers used to detect heart attack in the emergency room (creatine kinase-MB, considered the gold standard) produced positive results on the runners, none of whom displayed any cardiac symptoms, suggesting that the test is misleading for this group. Runners and their doctors need to be aware of this discrepancy.
"On the basis of early stage markers, runners can be overdiagnosed with heart attack," Siegel said. He believes the high levels of creatine kinase-MB and hence the false-positive result are released by injured skeletal muscle, rather than heart muscle in the runners. In contrast, cardiac troponins, as late-stage markers for heart attack, remained normal the day after the race.
To explore the cardiac risk of long-distance running, Siegel followed a group of 80 physicians who are members of the American Medical Athletic Association. The subjects, entrants in the 100th to 105th Boston Marathons, were on average 47 years old, had no reported history of smoking or coronary disease, and had run several prior marathons.
At each of the five races, researchers drew blood three times the day before the race, within a few hours of finishing and the morning after the marathon.
Normally, blood maintains a balance of blood-thickening factors inflammatory and clotting factors and blood-thinning, or fibrinolytic, activity. Exercise is known to raise the levels of both types of factors. Siegel found that while the balance between thinners and thickeners was maintained in the blood of the marathoners before and just after the race, it was disrupted the morning after: fibrinolytic activity returned to normal, but clotting and inflammatory factors were elevated.
Despite the high levels, none of the subjects in the study collapsed or experience an acute cardiac event during or after their races. Siegel believes that in addition to an increase in inflammatory and clotting factors, a second event such as a disrupted atherosclerotic plaque or a cardiac arrhythmia is needed to trigger a heart attack.
"The rise in inflammatory and clotting factors loads and cocks the gun, but another complication needs to occur to pull the trigger during a marathon," he said.
"Sudden death during strenuous exercise is uncommon," Schulman added. "Most of those who die during exercise had pre-existing conditions that were augmented by the strenuous exercise."
"The benefits of an active lifestyle are tremendous," said Susan Kalish, executive director of the American Medical Athletic Association. "But Dr. Siegel's work shows that marathoning may have its risks. If your goal is to improve your health, go for a run ... but perhaps don't train for a marathon."
Investigators from the Massachusetts General Hospital (MGH) and Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston collaborated on this research. McLean Hospital is the largest psychiatric teaching affiliate of Harvard Medical School, an affiliate of MGH and a member of Partners HealthCare System. The American Medical Athletic Association is an association of running doctors and sports medicine professionals dedicated to promoting public health through physical fitness


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i will recheck my post elsewhere to be sure but any sport has that chance drew. ever do one and not see the realease that you must sign.

that said i will add these as a risk are theses sinful too? competitive body building where one gets in shape and then must show off the physique but this risk isnt necessary as one doesnt have to do that to be in shape. i personally wouldnt ever do that for several reasons the women must loose such much fat that they loose their menstrual cycles and grow manly features as they take hormone pills or such like

with men they try to build more muscle and also take supplements which can cause health issues. i know christians that compete and dont to that extreme.
 
I'm on the Winston Churchill diet plan and I use the George Burns work out routine myself. These guys lived well into their late 90's. :lol
 
Well, everyone here knows my stance on runners by now. Their health woes must be due to that low sodium and low fat diets being pushed these days. Whenever vital nutrients are limited or avoided, the body starves of those things and exercise, being a stress on the body, makes it worse if the adequate nutrients are not there to repair the body which is why I always comment on a "proliferation of joggers dropping dead these days".

I'm on the Winston Churchill diet plan and I use the George Burns work out routine myself. These guys lived well into their late 90's.

:thumbsup Nothing wrong with a good cigar now and then, and I'm serious about health. All I say is not to puff like a chimney. The native Americans did not run around with lung cancer, but then they weren't smoking a peace pipe every 5 minutes at break time, either. The idea is to get stress-free and enjoy that smoke on occasion. Natural tobacco and good cigars are better for your health if you can afford them.
 
Well, everyone here knows my stance on runners by now. Their health woes must be due to that low sodium and low fat diets being pushed these days. Whenever vital nutrients are limited or avoided, the body starves of those things and exercise, being a stress on the body, makes it worse if the adequate nutrients are not there to repair the body which is why I always comment on a "proliferation of joggers dropping dead these days".



:thumbsup Nothing wrong with a good cigar now and then, and I'm serious about health. All I say is not to puff like a chimney. The native Americans did not run around with lung cancer, but then they weren't smoking a peace pipe every 5 minutes at break time, either. The idea is to get stress-free and enjoy that smoke on occasion. Natural tobacco and good cigars are better for your health if you can afford them.


yes, i have read a few articles on runners dropping dead when i googled this article theres a lot. the guy who ran the first marathon in greece died. i am not saying that they are all bad but you do have to do it wisely. overexercise is worse then we think. i may not do the boxing tommorow as its been a week since the first class and the things are still sore as i have rested them.

no comments on that suntan thing? one tan and yes you can get skin cancer.
 
yes, i have read a few articles on runners dropping dead when i googled this article theres a lot. the guy who ran the first marathon in greece died. i am not saying that they are all bad but you do have to do it wisely. overexercise is worse then we think. i may not do the boxing tommorow as its been a week since the first class and the things are still sore as i have rested them.

no comments on that suntan thing? one tan and yes you can get skin cancer.

Well, I never advocate someone burning in the sun. When one gets a little red, then it's time to seek shade. Beforehand, the sun is a good source of converting vitamin D.

If a person gets skin cancer on one bad burn, then I would opt to say there's something in that chemistry that they would have had it sooner or later anyway, even from a tan getting too close to the toaster oven. In other words, it's not the fault of the sun, per se, but in the make-up of that person. This has been a driving force to put on "one size fits all" recommendation to avoid the sun for everyone altogether.

If a person is that prone to skin cancer, and can't stand the sun, fine, I say stay out. But I get offended when I with my dark skin have been working outside all my life and never had a problem, but those who do (or because of those who do) I am warned of the dangers and placed on the same plane. The sun is my friend, it always has been, and just because there's a few "vampires" (I say that humorously, not maliciously) out there who can't stand it does not give the medical establishment the license to tell me to do the same as if I am the same way. It's just ludicrous.

What's one man's poison is another's food, and there's no reason to deprive that food to another just because one can't have it.
 
of course, i dont think sunbathing is a sin. i merely did this thread in response to anothers post of smoking is a sin.

well if that is true, and i lean that way if one has that addiction but i also know of pipe smokers that dont get the high but love the smell, then also we should teach sunbathing and boating is a sin too.

i fall into the category of at risk for skin cancer. i work outdoors and i am fine but if i tan or stay out too long i burn then dont tan.
 
of course, i dont think sunbathing is a sin. i merely did this thread in response to anothers post of smoking is a sin.

well if that is true, and i lean that way if one has that addiction but i also know of pipe smokers that dont get the high but love the smell, then also we should teach sunbathing and boating is a sin too.

i fall into the category of at risk for skin cancer. i work outdoors and i am fine but if i tan or stay out too long i burn then dont tan.

Why do take simple concepts and stretch them to such outlandish conclusions?

Conversion works best when we discuss rationally.
 
Why do take simple concepts and stretch them to such outlandish conclusions?

Conversion works best when we discuss rationally.
because the bible says this. he that destroys the temple he himself shall the lord destroy.


does tanning benefits ones health? no, its a reaction to the damaged incurred earlier, black and other dark skinned persons do get skin cancer.

personally i wouldnt tan and neither do i see it as a sin per se, some do but that is one of the grey areas.
 
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