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What Is Wrong With The NIV Bible ?

ronniechoate34 said:
Free said:
ronniechoate34 said:
Take a look at history. People used the Tyndale and Geneva Bibles prior to the 1611 AV. When the AV was published it was not overwhelmingly received right away, but a short time changed that fact. There was such a low demand for the other bibles in print that they simply went out of print. The AV set the world on fire. It sparked the inquisition and saved many many people. The AV was preached throughout the world. It's safe to say that God used and blessed this Bible. It's also apparent that the translators were raised up by God to fulfill this very purpose.


And now for the contrast. The 1881 revised bible was created by men who had leanings that were obviously not of the true faith. The revision was kept a secret and forged in darkness so that the leading Bible Scholars and Theologians of the day would not get to speak out until after it had been thrust upon the unsuspecting public, and immediately they did sound the alarm. The revisionist have ties by association to theosophical ideas and harebrained thoughts concerning worship and the true nature of Jesus Christ. These "new age" bibles divided the church and have brought in heretical doctrines.


Do you see the contrast? It's like light and darkness, black and white.
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But you are just doing what I said--making accusations without any proof.
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Where is your proof that it's wrong?
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If you are going to make a positive truth claim, then the burden of proof is on you. So far, in 9 pages, I have yet to see any substantial proof for any claim made against the NIV.
 
Find Yourself a Deep, Dark, Cave, and Never Come Out!

If you want to withdraw yourself from any contact with stuff that has been produced by sinners, then you'd better find yourself a deep, dark, cave, and never come out ... !!!
 
KJVOs Misrepresenting the Facts ....

The KJVOs seem to have a habit of misrepresenting the facts ... Wonder why ....

Free said:
Lewis W said:
Well Free, like I said, I am just a reporter, but I must say a lot of it is true. Like for instance.
So what's wrong with the NIV? In a word... EVERYTHING! Do you have any idea how many things were eviscerated (disemboweled) from the Bible by the NIV authors? Hundreds of words, phrases, and even entire Bible verses were removed from the Word of God by the NIV butchers. Whereas the King James Bible mentions the "Godhead" three times, the NIV has completely removed the word. You won't find the word "propitiation" in the NIV either. In fact, all of the following words have been removed from the Bible by the NIV butchers: regeneration, mercyseat, Calvary, remission, Jehovah, immutable, omnipotent, Comforter, Holy Ghost, Messiah, quickened, infallible, et cetera. One of the most blasphemous omissions in the NIV is in John 3:16 where Jesus is no longer proclaimed as the "only BEGOTTEN Son of God." Yes, that's right, the NIV butchers removed the word "begotten" from John 3:16. How in the name of truth and justice could any professed Christian use the New International Version? Yet, it's the most popular bible version sold on the market today.
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That is fallacious and isn't at all necessarily true. I'll use the same argument to show that the KJV tries to remove a reference to the deity of Jesus:

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (KJV)

Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known. (NIV)

You'll notice how the NIV states unequivocally that Jesus is God whereas the KJV refers to him only as the Son.

The fallacy is that KJVOists assume that the NIV (and others) have removed references but ignore the fact that they may not have been there to begin with--the KJV could just as easily have added references.

Lewis said:
The mere fact that the same people who publish the Satanic Bible is the same people who publish the NIV Bible, ought to send up red flags.

According to Wikipedia.org, the New International Bible (NIV) is the most popular Bible version today. What Zondervan Publishers won't DARE tell you is that they are OWNED by Harper Collins, who also publishes The Satanic Bible and The Joy of Gay Sex. Doesn't it seem odd to anyone with a brain and a love for Christ that the world's largest Bible publisher (Zondervan) is owned by the same company, HarperCollins, that publishes The Satanic Bible and The Joy of Gay Sex." Every pastor and Christian using the NIV are supporting these demonic publications. Furthermore, the Jehovah's Witnesses' New World Translation comes from same Greek manuscripts as does the NIV! The Jehovah's Witnesses' Interlinear Greek New Testament is based upon the corrupt Greek of Westcott and Hort, openly admitted in front of the publication. By the way, the owner of the exclusive printing rights to the NIV, Rupert Murdoch, was just made a Knight by the Pope. Murdoch had put the NIV under the same umbrella as the TV Guide, which he also owned.
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Does Zondervan itself publish the Satanic Bible? Didn't think so. End of fallacious argument. Two additional things worth noting: 1) Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism, had his own KJ translation. So the argument that the NWT comes from the the same manuscripts as the NIV is also fallacious (it is anyway); 2) Zondervan also publishes the KJV:

http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/e...KING+JAMES+VERSION"&QueryStringSite=Zondervan
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Re: Find Yourself a Deep, Dark, Cave, and Never Come Out!

vja4Him said:
If you want to withdraw yourself from any contact with stuff that has been produced by sinners, then you'd better find yourself a deep, dark, cave, and never come out ... !!!
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I know where some of those are. I've heard tell that satanists sacrifice kidnapped victims, usually Christians, inside of them. They are on UN property.
 
Armor of God said:
JoJo said:
There is one thing I don't like: Zondervan's copyright policies on the NIV. I think they should waive their copyrights when it comes to the Bible which is God's Word.
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I don't agree at all. There are many (dozens) of public domain versions of the bible available that are not copyrighted or have expired copyrights. A copyrighted version such as the NIV isn't the only game in town and nobody is forcing you to buy it.

Hundreds of thousands of man hours are spent making a translation by scholars (many of which spent a lot of money to earn a PhD) and deserve to be compensated for their long hours work. Unless a work is copyrighted, there is no way to recoup that investment.

Plus, servants of God, which I certainly consider bible scholars to be part of, should be paid as mandated in scripture (1 Corinthians 9:14, 1 Timothy 5:17).
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I would agree. I've seen a similar argument against Christian musicans. Some people claim that if they really loved the Lord, or something like that, then they would not charge for their music! That is absurd ....
 
And now for the contrast. The 1881 revised bible was created by men who had leanings that were obviously not of the true faith. The revision was kept a secret and forged in darkness so that the leading Bible Scholars and Theologians of the day would not get to speak out until after it had been thrust upon the unsuspecting public, and immediately they did sound the alarm. The revisionist have ties by association to theosophical ideas and harebrained thoughts concerning worship and the true nature of Jesus Christ. These "new age" bibles divided the church and have brought in heretical doctrines.
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Proof please.
 
kiwimac said:
And now for the contrast. The 1881 revised bible was created by men who had leanings that were obviously not of the true faith. The revision was kept a secret and forged in darkness so that the leading Bible Scholars and Theologians of the day would not get to speak out until after it had been thrust upon the unsuspecting public, and immediately they did sound the alarm. The revisionist have ties by association to theosophical ideas and harebrained thoughts concerning worship and the true nature of Jesus Christ. These "new age" bibles divided the church and have brought in heretical doctrines.
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Proof please.
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These two videos from Professor Walter Veith do a wonderful job in documenting the problem of the NIV and other translations. I would certainly encourage you to watch these videos because they do shed important light on this subject. Enjoy!

Battle of the Bibles

Changing the Word pt. 1 & 2
 
something that i find funny is when people do not look into the word of god to study the proof that has been given. just like i wrote earlier the niv states that jesus and satan are both the morning star. how can jesus being righteous be called the same as satan who is wicked and evil?
 
chris overy said:
something that i find funny is when people do not look into the word of god to study the proof that has been given. just like i wrote earlier the niv states that jesus and satan are both the morning star. how can jesus being righteous be called the same as satan who is wicked and evil?
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Lucifer is not Satan. The OT passage refers to the Dawn star not Satan.
 
chris overy said:
something that i find funny is when people do not look into the word of god to study the proof that has been given. just like i wrote earlier the niv states that jesus and satan are both the morning star. how can jesus being righteous be called the same as satan who is wicked and evil?
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With all of the warnings that men received from their AV Bibles they knew better than to trust the revised bible. They had been given discernment and they were able to see that the revised bible was not the Word of God. They had a bible that they did refer to for that wisdom.


Nowadays people don't know what the truth is. They go into a church and repent,,,, and immediately the pastor shoves a niv at them. What a loss. Woe to those men who mislead the flock.


God does lead people through this walk only to call them out so that they will have a testimony that will glorify Him. So I am not putting anyone who reads a "new age" bible down. I am simply telling you the truth.
 
kiwimac said:
And now for the contrast. The 1881 revised bible was created by men who had leanings that were obviously not of the true faith. The revision was kept a secret and forged in darkness so that the leading Bible Scholars and Theologians of the day would not get to speak out until after it had been thrust upon the unsuspecting public, and immediately they did sound the alarm. The revisionist have ties by association to theosophical ideas and harebrained thoughts concerning worship and the true nature of Jesus Christ. These "new age" bibles divided the church and have brought in heretical doctrines.
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Proof please.
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Start here.


http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/
 
The better Question is; what is right about the NIV. Also its not up to me to prove the KJV is the correct Bible, its up to those who disagree to prove that it is not!. :)
 
samuel said:
The better Question is; what is right about the NIV. Also its not up to me to prove the KJV is the correct Bible, its up to those who disagree to prove that it is not!. :)
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Yes, that is indeed the better question.
 
chris overy said:
something that i find funny is when people do not look into the word of god to study the proof that has been given. just like i wrote earlier the niv states that jesus and satan are both the morning star. how can jesus being righteous be called the same as satan who is wicked and evil?
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As I stated, this has been dealt with. Please respond to my post on page 7 or quit using this false argument.


samuel said:
The better Question is; what is right about the NIV. Also its not up to me to prove the KJV is the correct Bible, its up to those who disagree to prove that it is not!. :)
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In this thread, several claims were made about the NIV. It is up to those who have made those claims to provide proof. There is plenty that is right about the NIV, maybe even as much as is right about the KJV.
 
There is plenty that is right about the NIV, maybe even as much as is right about the KJV.
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WHAT !!.
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hmm :confused

wouldnt it best that we all just learn greek and hebrew then? and aramaic.

after we could go back all look at the intent. But i think we still would find differing interpretations of the intent in some areas. Thus in a sense bringing us back to the same old arguement which one is best and the closest interpration.
 
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