Bible Study what is your angel theory ?

[thesaintman]

- we become exactly angels when we die and angels are spirit beings as us the same ?
"also known as burpo heaven testiomoney everyone in heaven have wings mine were little smaller"

or do you believe that angels are special ? 2 wings 4 wings 6 wings .......... they are specially created? diffrent from other spiritual beings aka normal spirits ?

i think the bible talks about them seraphim churbim ?

but maybe we like colton burpo promotes ... we all get wings when we get to heaven ?

well i believe god created everyone equal in spirit realm

maybe im wrong`?

 

[Free]

Humans are humans and angels are angels. We will not be like them and they will not be like us. And that boy's story has been shown to be a hoax.

 

[Edward]

- we become exactly angels when we die and angels are spirit beings as us the same ?
"also known as burpo heaven testiomoney everyone in heaven have wings mine were little smaller"

or do you believe that angels are special ? 2 wings 4 wings 6 wings .......... they are specially created? diffrent from other spiritual beings aka normal spirits ?

i think the bible talks about them seraphim churbim ?

but maybe we like colton burpo promotes ... we all get wings when we get to heaven ?

well i believe god created everyone equal in spirit realm

maybe im wrong`?

I do believe that you're wrong about everyone being equal in the spiritual realm. There's scriptures which would indicate that there is rank in heaven, or in other words, there is not equality across the board there. That not to say that God doesn't love everyone, just that not everyone gets to know everything and so forth.

The Seraphim are a type of Angel, as are cherubim. These are not cuddly little Angels who look like babies with wings and play a harp all day. These are powerful Angels and not to be trifled with. I *think* most or all Angels are specialized in one way or another. So as according to their duties will the power of God and the related knowledge or secrets of heaven be revealed to them.

So there's different types of Angels for different purposes. There's healing Angels, messenger Angels, Guardian Angels (like were set in place to guard the tree of Life), scribe Angels (which are assigned to us to record our words, behavior, prayers and so on), Fighting Angels (like Michael), and perhaps other types.I do not think that they all have wings, or that we will all have wings. Maybe we will? I just don't think so.

I am unaware that young mister Burpo lied or has been shown to be a hoax. I've read and watched probably every interview that's been done with him and never seen anything to the contrary.

Humans are humans and angels are angels.

Are we really? Perhaps not brother. Consider this; When we were created, we were created in the image of God. Well uh, God is a spiritual being, so we had to be created...a spiritual being, and not human. We were made human at/after the fall. There's more to this than the outward appearance. We were created spiritual beings with a soul...that lives in a flesh body. Now that we have fell, we were made into human beings, with a soul and a spirit. Our flesh being is the dominant within us, since our spiritual state has fallen. We're instructed to live for the spirit. Our spirit is supposed to be dominant and we are to pursue making our spirit dominant...to learn how to live as a or for the spirit. We lost that intimate relationship with our Lord, the unity of our spirit with the Lords. In regaining this relationship (our identity) with the Lord, we are indeed re-newed as promised.
The identity of being a spiritual being and not of this world, though we be in the world.
Does that make sense to you brother?

 

[Deborah13]

When we were created, we were created in the image of God. Well uh, God is a spiritual being, so we had to be created...a spiritual being, and not human. We were made human at/after the fall.

Now that we have fell, we were made into human beings, with a soul and a spirit.

That is not what Genesis says. If Adam and Eve were souless creatures they wouldn't have been able to even think. Human being means man kind. God created mankind before the fall, living souls.

 

[gr8grace3]

That is not what Genesis says. If Adam and Eve were souless creatures they wouldn't have been able to even think. Human being means man kind. God created mankind before the fall, living souls.

And Jesus Christ, being the last Adam, was not a "spiritual being", He was fully human and never fell.

 

[Edward]

That is not what Genesis says. If Adam and Eve were souless creatures they wouldn't have been able to even think. Human being means man kind. God created mankind before the fall, living souls.

How would you know that? Spiritual beings can think. Ok so they don't use their brain. They probably use their heart. And I think somehow you may have misunderstood me because I never said (or meant to imply) that Adam & Eve were soulless creatures. Of course they had souls. And I hope this isn't taking it too far off topic.

 

[Free]

Are we really? Perhaps not brother. Consider this; When we were created, we were created in the image of God. Well uh, God is a spiritual being, so we had to be created...a spiritual being, and not human. We were made human at/after the fall. There's more to this than the outward appearance. We were created spiritual beings with a soul...that lives in a flesh body. Now that we have fell, we were made into human beings, with a soul and a spirit. Our flesh being is the dominant within us, since our spiritual state has fallen. We're instructed to live for the spirit. Our spirit is supposed to be dominant and we are to pursue making our spirit dominant...to learn how to live as a or for the spirit. We lost that intimate relationship with our Lord, the unity of our spirit with the Lords. In regaining this relationship (our identity) with the Lord, we are indeed re-newed as promised.
The identity of being a spiritual being and not of this world, though we be in the world.
Does that make sense to you brother?

Being created in the image of God has nothing to do with whether or not we were created a spiritual being. In the very verse that says we were created in the image of God, it also says God created us male and female. But God is neither, so there simply is no way we can say that being made in the image of God means we were spiritual beings. We were created as physical humans and remained humans after the fall; that didn't change, and won't change. We were created, breathed into by God, and then called a living being, a soul.

Interestingly, Mormons go the opposite way of you and say that God is a man because we are created in his image.

 

[th1b.taylor]

My goodness! First of all, we did not fall from Grace. (Genesis 1-3) Man was Created to fit into the Creation God made for him. In the matter of sex all of man, male and female will be like the Angels that are not sexual beings. If you believe you are following Jesus to appreciate the sexual experience forever, you are on a direct path into hell for worshiping a god instead of God. (Luke 20:35-37)

Will we have wings? The angels that ate with Abraham are not credited as having wings and yet God has it recorded that some types of Angels have two wings to cover their faces, two wings to cover their feet and two wings to fly with. (Isaiah 6:2)

AS for the book, I read it and I found one point! If you do not place complete, unrestricted, belief in the Bible, you ain't never gonna believe any of the book about this youngster. I will never preach from this book but knowing God, on a personal level, I will never doubt that this is possibly true.

The central question the book brings to the surface is the very item that draws responses from people, denoting me as one religious wacko! Funny, that! I tell lots of folks that being a Baptist will send you to Hell just as fast as being a Catholic, an Atheist or any other religion. I'm not religious, I'm a Christ follower doing the best I can.

 

[Deborah13]

How would you know that?

I know that spirit beings are also soul because scripture tells me so. God is spirit correct? This is God speaking....
Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

 

[Edward]

Being created in the image of God has nothing to do with whether or not we were created a spiritual being. In the very verse that says we were created in the image of God, it also says God created us male and female. But God is neither, so there simply is no way we can say that being made in the image of God means we were spiritual beings. We were created as physical humans and remained humans after the fall; that didn't change, and won't change. We were created, breathed into by God, and then called a living being, a soul.

Interestingly, Mormons go the opposite way of you and say that God is a man because we are created in his image.

It doesn't? Ok, then we are obviously coming to different presumptions and will not be able to agree on much about this. To me, it seems obvious that to be created in the image of God has a lot to do with being a spiritual being. One wouldn't say hey lets make a vehicle in the image of a Ford SuperDuty pickup truck...and then make a Ford Pinto and say hey this is it based on it moves as a vehicle or has the Ford logo on it.

If we was created in the image of God, then what's so hard to fathom in that, God is a spiritual being, so His creation (man) was also spiritual beings. As far as Jesus being fully man...That does not matter. He was still not of this world and neither are we.

John 18:36
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence./

Actually I may be getting ahead of myself lol. In John 17 we get the meat of it and see that...well, a question first brother. Do you agree that God is a spiritual being? Presumably so. Just want to make sure that we're on the same page there.
Flesh beings (humankind) are of the world. Spiritual beings are of the spiritual realm (kingdom realm i.e. "Heaven") Once we willingly receive the Lord's wonderful gift to us, we are reborn, we are in Christ and Christ is in us, and we are not of the world. No one ever sees an outward appearance change when one becomes a Christian. That's because it all happens to our spirit man. We're not made into a spiritual being at that point, nor will it happen when Jesus returns. We always have been spiritual beings. We just don't know it and have been deceived. Live for the spirit! Learn to live as a spiritual being.

John 17: 14-21
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me./

This isn't something that happens after we die in the flesh. The Lord wants us to live in heaven on the earth. He said that the kingdom of heaven is at hand, meaning as close as the air you breath. He's torn down the veil. We have access to the spiritual realm. ...Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven... sound familiar?! As mature Christians, He wants and needs us to understand our identity and to receive it. Seek Him out and go to Him, in His spiritual realm

We've been waiting for God for thousands of years. Sometimes He does come and make an appearance. Well, guess what? God is waiting on us too! What's that scripture about boldly approaching the throne? What's that mean? Is that after all is said and done and we go to heaven that we do this? I don't think so brother. I think it's now. I believe that we are able to do this because we are spiritual beings. Faith enough to cross the barrier, approach the throne, and fall in a quivering heap and say, reporting for duty sir, what would you have me to do?

We are spiritual beings on a human mission. Not human beings on a spiritual mission.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Being created in the image of God has nothing to do with whether or not we were created a spiritual being

Free,
Can you support this with scripture and logic?

 

[Edward]

I know that spirit beings are also soul because scripture tells me so. God is spirit correct? This is God speaking....
Mat 12:18 Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.

Hmm. Apparently while the soul and spirit is connected within us, that perhaps they are not supposed to be? Look at this:

Hebrews 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart./

This seems to be telling us that the spirit and soul can be separated, and done with the Word of God. Would you think that it may be necessary, based on the wording? Perhaps.

I've always thought that in Eden, we were spirit-soul-body, with the spirit on the outside and flesh body on the inside. After the fall we became body-soul-spirit, with the spirit on the inside. In an unfallen state, our spirit would be on the outside, visible to others (glowing perhaps?) and our spirit was dominant. After the fall, our spirit went inside and our soul became dominant. By drawing closer to our Lord, and believing Him, at some point, our spirit can break free from our soul and no longer be in subjection to our soul. Perhaps it is after this that our spirit would once again become dominant (and let our light shine unto the world) and the Lord would then take up residence within and we would then be 'In Christ, and Christ in us'.

I think. I feel the truth of some of it but may have details wrong as happens sometimes.

 

[gr8grace3]

I believe that we are able to do this because we are spiritual beings.

Heb 4:6~~English Standard Version
Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

We can boldly go because of ONE thing. Because of what Jesus Christ did. Not because of who and what we are, but because of who and what He is.
Ephesians 3:12
In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence.

and fall in a quivering heap

This is not boldly or confidently.

We are spiritual beings on a human mission. Not human beings on a spiritual mission........This is new age stuff.

I always appreciate your spunk and how you question things, but the stuff you are saying is sounding new age to me.

 

[Deborah13]

In an unfallen state, our spirit would be on the outside, visible to others (glowing perhaps?) and our spirit was dominant.

I think I know what you are trying to convey. But if spirit was one with God and in control why did Adam and Eve respond in the fleshy lead soul rather than spirit lead soul.

Hebrews 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart./

What happens to a joint without marrow? The joint would die.

 

[Free]

Free,
Can you support this with scripture and logic?

I already have. There simply is nothing to suggest we were created spirit beings and then became human after the fall, and everything to suggest otherwise. This comes from a plain reading of Scripture.

 

[jasonc]

the image of god is who we act towards the creation and other humans. ie love, anger,(yes god has anger and its not always a sin), mercy, forgiveness.

I guess being like the Son whom is the image of the godhead in bodily form isn't the point that supports Free's position. neither has Free denied the spirit natural of us. just stating we cant assume god is like us because we have male and female and arms and legs.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I already have. There simply is nothing to suggest we were created spirit beings and then became human after the fall, and everything to suggest otherwise. This comes from a plain reading of Scripture.

Okay, I misunderstood the context, you are right.

 

[Edward]

Heb 4:6~~English Standard Version
Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

We can boldly go because of ONE thing. Because of what Jesus Christ did. Not because of who and what we are, but because of who and what He is.
Ephesians 3:12
In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence.

This is not boldly or confidently.

We are spiritual beings on a human mission. Not human beings on a spiritual mission........This is new age stuff.

I always appreciate your spunk and how you question things, but the stuff you are saying is sounding new age to me.

Falling into a quivering heap is not boldly or confidently. Just being honest lol. I dunno if I could stand before God, probably not. I don't know about new age stuff. This is me reading scriptures and pondering it. It probably does sound a little out there, but so does a lot of the bible. Ezekiel's chariot vision, Genesis 6 Nephilim, Revelations monsters? Yes sir brother, the best sci-fi book I ever read, lol. Except that it's not fiction. There's a real spiritual realm/dimension that is said to be more real than our natural dimension, and it affects us. We sit around and talk about it and do much speculating. Some is right, some is wrong, and all of it is 'out there' lol.

But we know two things, lol. One is that the enemy's primary tool is deception (we've all been lied to our whole life. About how to live as a spirit.) And the second, is that, biblical conceptions that are even in the least bit out there are denounced very quickly. That's witchcraft. that's just your imagination, that's new age, and so forth. It's like an automatic reaction of sorts. Because man's traditions teach so. God just isn't like that, and I know this because I paid attention in Sunday School. (lol). See what I mean brother? We can't declare what God is and isn't because of tradition. We have to remain open-minded (open-hearted) and go see who He really is and not what someone said.

Most Christians do not like the idea or believe in the idea of say, Hybrids having existed or existing (Genesis 6)
Ok that's fine, we receive what we choose to receive as truth/belief. But if one doesn't like the idea of hybrids, what will they do when they get to see the throne of God some day?

Revelation 4:
6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle./

Sounds like hybrids to me. God's hybrids. In Ezekiel 10 it depicts Cherub Angels as hybrid type beings also. What are we Christians supposed to do with this type of stuff? We either toss it because they say it sounds weird, or we question it because we know the deception agenda is real. Personally, I like questioning it myself.

Brother, do you not believe in the existence of a spiritual realm/dimension? Evil spirits, good Spirits?

Jesus spoke of/to and casted out demons and spirits. Scripture talks all over the place about man having a spirit, and about how we are to "live for the Spirit". Forgive me if I am wrong, but it sort've sounds like you don't believe in the spiritual realm?...having likened it to 'new age' stuff.

Are we spiritual beings?

 

[Edward]

I think I know what you are trying to convey. But if spirit was one with God and in control why did Adam and Eve respond in the fleshy lead soul rather than spirit lead soul.

What happens to a joint without marrow? The joint would die.

Uhhh. Whoa, you ask good questions Deb.

First off, remember that I'm just'a trying to piece this together also, lol. Hmmm, was man's spirit in control? Maybe. probably. But what if their understanding hadn't yet developed to the point of being able to key in to a con man? We don't know how much time was between man's creation and the fall, scripture leaves that little detail out. Man had free will though.

Let's see here, mans spirit is the life force, from God and belongs to God, right? Mans soul is comprised of, the thinking/reasoning part which houses the emotions, thoughts, and reason, right? (which perhaps had not been 'turned on' yet because they hadn't fell yet?) So...whether the spirit or soul was in control, apparently, they were still dumb enough to be able to make that dumb decision. If, on their own so to speak.

But if mans spirit was one with God and God in control, why did they respond in the flesh lead soul etc.,?
Well, because that's how God rolls. (that's the short answer, lol)

God wants man to love and worship Him of their own volition. For man to seek Him out and say Who art thou? Here am I and here is my life. I believe in you and receive you. If God were have to been in such an amount of control over Adam & Eve and deny the serpent that fateful day...God's glory and honor would not be coming through man's own volition. So He had to 'let the leash out a little' and allow man to make the decision. It had to be mans choice. Man made the wrong decision.

A joint without marrow? Die? One might think so but perhaps not when God is involved. Hebrews 4:12 doesn't speak of death. What's your take on it?

Hebrews 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart./

That's a pretty powerful verse right there. I don't know for sure what it means, but suspect something along the lines of, study to show thyself approved, and, But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:/ (John 1:12)

Perhaps it's talking about growing up in the Lord. There's a renewing process going on and maybe this is part of it? It does sound as if this division is necessary, or at least, something to be desired? What do you think?

 

[Deborah13]

Uhhh. Whoa, you ask good questions Deb.

First off, remember that I'm just'a trying to piece this together also, lol. Hmmm, was man's spirit in control? Maybe. probably. But what if their understanding hadn't yet developed to the point of being able to key in to a con man? We don't know how much time was between man's creation and the fall, scripture leaves that little detail out. Man had free will though.

Let's see here, mans spirit is the life force, from God and belongs to God, right? Mans soul is comprised of, the thinking/reasoning part which houses the emotions, thoughts, and reason, right? (which perhaps had not been 'turned on' yet because they hadn't fell yet?) So...whether the spirit or soul was in control, apparently, they were still dumb enough to be able to make that dumb decision. If, on their own so to speak.

But if mans spirit was one with God and God in control, why did they respond in the flesh lead soul etc.,?
Well, because that's how God rolls. (that's the short answer, lol)

God wants man to love and worship Him of their own volition. For man to seek Him out and say Who art thou? Here am I and here is my life. I believe in you and receive you. If God were have to been in such an amount of control over Adam & Eve and deny the serpent that fateful day...God's glory and honor would not be coming through man's own volition. So He had to 'let the leash out a little' and allow man to make the decision. It had to be mans choice. Man made the wrong decision.

A joint without marrow? Die? One might think so but perhaps not when God is involved. Hebrews 4:12 doesn't speak of death. What's your take on it?

Hebrews 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart./

That's a pretty powerful verse right there. I don't know for sure what it means, but suspect something along the lines of, study to show thyself approved, and, But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:/ (John 1:12)

Perhaps it's talking about growing up in the Lord. There's a renewing process going on and maybe this is part of it? It does sound as if this division is necessary, or at least, something to be desired? What do you think?

I really don't know. I see spiritual then I see physical. The marrow is the living part of the bone. By that I mean it carries nutrients to the bone. It has red and white blood cells, both necessary for life. And some flat bones even have stem cells so that the bone can regenerate itself. Man doesn't have one less rib than woman. :wink
By the same token I don't think man can live with God without spirit. His soul would be like a dead bone that needs to be regenerated by the Spirit of God. Like the dead bones in the valley or like these.
Mat_23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
As far as in the garden goes I think they were complete with everything they needed to live with God in perfect peace. But Eve gave in to temptation being deceived and Adam willingly followed her not into the deception because he was not deceived.
1Ti_2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
But keeping this more to the OP, I do believe that it was satan himself that was in the garden with them. I believe God put him there to be a blessing to them and a guide.
Heb 1:13 And unto which of the messengers said He ever, `Sit at My right hand, till I may make thine enemies thy footstool?'
Heb 1:14 are they not all spirits of service--for ministration being sent forth because of those about to inherit salvation?
He was there in all his angel regalia and very beautiful, Eze 28:13-14. That is how he deceived Eve. Her eyes betrayed her and she reasoned herself right out from under her husband's protection. Angel worship?
Col 2:18 let no one beguile you of your prize, delighting in humble-mindedness and in worship of the messengers, intruding into the things he hath not seen, being vainly puffed up by the mind of his flesh,
I believe this is when sin was found in satan.

I don't know, it's a just my thoughts.