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Bible Study what is your angel theory ?

Heb 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

It may be we were created in the image of God with a soul and spirit then put into a human body.
is it possible that when one dies the body returns to earth and if not saved God separates soul from spirit and the soul goes to hell and the spirit God reclaims and if one dies and is a Christian then the body goes back to earth and the soul and spirit goes to heaven as spirit/soul one being.
 
Roro1972 said:
Heb 4:12
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
John 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

It may be we were created in the image of God with a soul and spirit then put into a human body.
is it possible that when one dies the body returns to earth and if not saved God separates soul from spirit and the soul goes to hell and the spirit God reclaims and if one dies and is a Christian then the body goes back to earth and the soul and spirit goes to heaven as spirit/soul one being.
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I'm not sure but that is along the lines of my thinking too.
 
Romans 8
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together
1 Corin 6
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Angels are no heirs nor coheirs of anything. So we are above angels if we make the grade of acceptable by Christ.
 
thesaintman said:
- we become exactly angels when we die and angels are spirit beings as us the same ?
"also known as burpo heaven testiomoney everyone in heaven have wings mine were little smaller"

or do you believe that angels are special ? 2 wings 4 wings 6 wings .......... they are specially created? diffrent from other spiritual beings aka normal spirits ?

i think the bible talks about them seraphim churbim ?

but maybe we like colton burpo promotes ... we all get wings when we get to heaven ?

well i believe god created everyone equal in spirit realm

maybe im wrong`?
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according to what is given to me to say in this regard as a follower of God and Jesus, there are Their Heavenly Angels, such as Archangel Michael, who have been created in the very beginning, besouled beings with special heavenly bodies and abilities similar to the omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent abilities of God Himself, because each of Them has some part of His omnipresence, omniscience and omnipotence (that is why the name "Michael" means "who is like God") - every one of them is more powerful than all humans at once, and no one of Them was born in this world/on this earth as from the beginning of the eternity, but They all have been born in the "Heaven" as its integral parts and as system servants/moderators of the life for the whole universe according to His Will, therefore it is not possible that any (one) of Them fall or (in other words) become a fallen angel within the eternity

there are also inanimate spirits of God, (at least some of them) also known as Angels or "stars" or "stones of fire", having special system functions, such as to cause happiness, to make someone full of grace/be graceful, etc.

furthermore, there are also humans who had resurrected in God and Jesus becoming like Angels, and especially Their true Saints such as St. Peter the Apostle, St. John the Apostle, St. Paul the Apostle, etc.

till now there were also angels of satan who were initially human beings born in this world/on this earth as all other humans ever born here, but had/has afterwards become angels of satan by exercising/practicing deep occultism/idolatry such as yoga/transcendental meditation and resurrecting in the "darkness" in a way similar to the way Jesus Christ and the true Saints have been resurrected in the "Light"

all in all, every besouled(human) spiritual worker/servant is also called "angel" according to the biblical terminology, because the biblical word "angel" also means spiritual worker/servant in its broadest sense

Blessings
 
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The way I figure it, all Angels are created beings, each and every one of them. I personally think that they are not a "race" of beings so they do not procreate. I do think they have the plumbing for it, but it is not a sanctioned activity for them. They might not even have female Angels, I don't really know. I've never really heard of any.

I think that in the flesh, the Angels are above us, but after the day of the Lord and we all go to heaven (are transformed into our new spiritual bodies) that we will be above them. It is written (somewhere, lol) that we shall judge Angels.
 
Questions?
In Job 40:15
Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee, he eateth grass as an ox.
17, He moveth his tail like a cedar.
23, Behold he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not,.

Does this sound like a dinosaur?
What do you think it means when God said He made Job with them?
Does that mean that Job was created before he was born?
 
dianegcook said:
Questions?
In Job 40:15
Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee, he eateth grass as an ox.
17, He moveth his tail like a cedar.
23, Behold he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not,.

Does this sound like a dinosaur?
What do you think it means when God said He made Job with them?
Does that mean that Job was created before he was born?
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both were created on the sixth day = the original behemoth and original man - btw notice that behemoth was a herbivore and did not eat Job - twinc
 
twinc said:
both were created on the sixth day = the original behemoth and original man - btw notice that behemoth was a herbivore and did not eat Job - twinc
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Yes, that kind was, but there were T rexes, wasn't there?
So Adam / Job was a caveman, no ice age, no mention of the dinosaurs being destroyed?
So that makes the dinosaur fossils, what 6 thousand years old?
I don't think science would agree with that.
I can't see, 2 of each dinosaurs upon the ark.
There are fossils that were in the Tundra, discovered, with buttercups or daisies still in their mouth, when it perished.
Thus sudden destruction.
Must have been a lot of them, since we get our fossil fuel from them, lol.

Everyone has their Own opinions, thanks for giving me yours.
I believe they were created in the first earth and heaven age.
Then destroyed, now this earth and heaven age.
 
I am late to this discussion, but what a discussion.

Imagery is ok, but always look to the solid reality that cast the image. Looking at shadows should be brief and use the intellect, but truth should send you looking for the body that cast the shadow.

Romans 1:19-20
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


Made in the image of God. Ok where are the angels? Angels are messengers they carry information from God to man and carry information back to God. These angels seem to travel spiritually from heaven to man / earth(?). There do seem to be rank and file order in the angelic hosts.

Imagery:
Nerves.
Central nervous system (heaven our spirit). What is good (not to be under control of satan)

Peripheral nervous network (carnal man - lower function). Sympathetic and parasymphetic).

If we do not include our higher order thoughts, we live as brute beasts. Our beastly nature must be born again.

Nerve messages go across synapses (nothing areas similar to angels).

So we could get all bound up in nerves, but the reality is metaphysical (greater than the physical). We can learn from nerves, but we worship the creator.

Speak Lord for thy servant is able to hear. Show us dreams and visions. Give us the mind of Christ.

eddif
 
Free said:
Humans are humans and angels are angels. We will not be like them and they will not be like us. And that boy's story has been shown to be a hoax.
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Colton Burpo's story has been refuted? A similar boy, Alex Malarkey, has been discredited. I don't think Burpo has been as of yet.
 
I will see if I can help on the angel stuff. I have a glimmer.
Humans are usually in a hurry to see the complete manifestation.
This next verse tells what we are not now. When it says we are not; that is not to say an instant manifestation might not manifest before the day of complete continual manifestation. Jesus walked on water, but he did not continually walk on water.
I John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Now let us consider how we are sown and what we shall be continually.

I Corinthians 15:37
And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
What are we like now and what wil we be like then.
John 20:19
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

A seed must first die before it comes forth in its glory.
After the death and resurrection (first born of the dead). Jesus appeared in a locked room. He carried the marks of his suffering etc.

IMHO We will be continually like him after the resurrection. At a point we may manifest an example of what we will be.

Our natural nerve networks are different than muscles. In one sense they are more toward the spiritual (if we train our senses to discern the will of God).

I think Adam at creation was there complete (body with nervous system). Holy Spirit activated all systems, but on a natural level (verse 45 above). When Adam is seen in heaven, IMHO, we will see the spiritual changed Adam (again above scriptures).

Now our nerves are a type of what will be. The ultimate continual application awaits resurrection. Might I have a preliminary moment? Yes. Might I see problems with the flesh? Regretfully yes. Oh how we long for that day, but we have work to do now. The gifts do manifest today (just not without the reality of who we are now).

eddif
 
The Bible is our source for truth and information including all other-worldliness. Period.

The Bible never links mankind with angels whatsoever. There is a passage that says we will be "like" the angels in that they do not marry in heaven and thus neither will we (Matthew 22:30). Jesus did not say "as" angels we will never marry in heaven. Huge difference.

Jesus (God the Word John 1:1,1:14) in becoming a human being was made a little lower than the angels (Psalm 8:5, Hebrews 2:7). That is the human condition. Yet in our resurrected state we will judge angels (1 Corinthians 6:3). Above the angels will be the resurrected human condition.

So men and angels not the same. Never have been. Never will be.
 
Now, this is JohnD's opinion. And that's all it is. I can imply supportive scriptures but cite none as definitive. Job chapters 1 & 2 for example surprises most in that God and the devil discuss matters about situations here on earth. The two even strike bargains about the outcomes. We should all study this the oldest book of the Bible. So what I am about to say is not as outlandish as it may appear at first blush...

For whatever reason, God created something to exist besides himself... which is when all the trouble began.

An aside, many say they are going to ask God or the apostles or whomever in the afterlife what was the purpose for this or that... My only question is why God (who existed in perfect harmony with the three individuals who are the one God when all that existed was God)... would make so much trouble for [himself] by creating anything beside [him] to exist??? :shrug

God created the spirit realm. In doing so, God was no longer the only thing / one in existence. Thus ended universalism (God is all / all is God). Then God created spirit beings (which we call angels which is only the word "messengers" to the Hebrews they were called "seers" or "watchers"). The three that are described are the cherubim, seraphim, and teraphim.

The architect of the rebellion against God was "Light Bearer" (Lucifer) who held the office of Star of the Morning: the first and greatest spirit being creation of God. This office btw was later assigned to the greatest creation of God bar none the body of Jesus Christ who would become God the Word incarnate.

Here's where JohnD's opinioin begins...

As God was about to pronounce judgment on the condemned Lucifer and the third of the angels that followed him in his rebellion, the devil raised an accusative finger to God "You are not fair! You are not just! That eternal damnation is the fate of all who sin even once!"

Under no obligation whatsoever to justify himself, God the Word (the lone Creator see Isaiah 44:24) took that to heart and accepted the challenge to prove that God is more than fair, more than just, righteous and glorious. And he continued creation from that point:

Genesis 1:3–5 (NASB95)
3Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.
4God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
5God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

etc.

IMHO

That this realm was created to correct / prove what happened in the spirit realm. Such a high price for the created realm but the highest price was paid by the Creator himself... which is why the stakes are so high... eternal life or eternal damnation.
 
This brings up an interesting point.

Angels who sin do so in their eternal state. No redemption is possible.

Men who sin can be redeemed because we are not in our eternal state but can die and be resurrected.

We should therefore be grateful that we can die. It affords us the opportunity to be redeemed / saved.
 
I see in scanning this thread it went into the age of the earth discussion (at least obliquely).

Never underestimate the catastrophic effects of the global flood. What happened with a collapsing vapor canopy, the bursting of subterranean vaults of water and the break up / collisions of entire continents... also the draw back of the flood itself producing an ice age in latitudes further north than civilization spent most of its history..

Radiometric isotope dating methods are skewed. No less a genius than former atheist Dr. A.E. Wilder-Smith pointed out the flaw no one wants to discuss or face is that all dating methods are reliable only to 5,000 years [ago] and that the rest is mathematical speculative supposition... "like," in his words, "a seven-year-old asking how tall he was ten years earlier." Thus most "in the know" have been duped en masse by this scandal and cover up in the education, scientific, legal, political, and media communities.

The signs of "old age" are extremely subjective at best... disregarding a global flood that did actually produce these signs each and every one. And to simply disregard the global flood based on prejudice predetermination is actually foolish and criminal when played out in society.
 
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Free said:
Humans are humans and angels are angels. We will not be like them and they will not be like us. And that boy's story has been shown to be a hoax.
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What Free said.......................

The op appears to have lost interest in their own post. Why post in the first place?
 
John
Some of these folks are using translations that are way far out. I hope to help deal with this in a good way. I can not yank the bibles out of their hands (my flesh would love to, but I have struggles too). Some of this threads issues are coming from bibles . Tares can not be removed till the harvest.

I do not worship angels, and I realize you have not accused me. The rightful use of angels is important.

Revelation 19:9
And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Hebrews 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Till the resurrection, I am to work with angels. Till the resurrection and after I will appreciate their ministry.

eddif
 
KevinK said:
Colton Burpo's story has been refuted? A similar boy, Alex Malarkey, has been discredited. I don't think Burpo has been as of yet.
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I could be wrong. Personally, I'm highly skeptical of any such claim.
 
Free said:
I could be wrong. Personally, I'm highly skeptical of any such claim.
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Well, personal opinion is one thing, but Malarkey has confessed to fabricating his story.

I do find Burpo's story questionable, based on the wing thing. Personal opinion, I don't think humans ever receive wings, a common myth (again. my opinion). Angels have wings (even fallen ones south of the border). Angels and humans belong to different phyla (or whatever), and man simply does not have that phenotype. So if Colton said he saw his own wings, I say, "Hmmm....".
 
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