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I think this is akin to trying to say The Kingdom of God and The Kingdom of Heaven are two different things.
Do a bit more reading, My Friend.As a matter of fact, they are different. The Lord Jesus said that "the Kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU" (Luke 17:21) but He spoke in parables concerning the Kingdom of Heaven, which is the external manifestation of Christianity (or Christendom) and has both wheat and tares (Matthew 13:24-30). All churches will have genuine believers as well as counterfeit Christians, but to all external appearances they are all "Christians".
plant the seed, futurist and futurism is a hard shell to break through. I was where he was a few years ago. I need to do that thread on isreal again.Do a bit more reading, My Friend.
I agree. But, I wasn't speaking from that platform, necessarily.plant the seed, futurist and futurism is a hard shell to break through. I was where he was a few years ago. I need to do that thread on isreal again.
isreal was both physically a kingdom and also a spiritual one at the same time. jews teach this and its supported in the bible. moses and all that were of isreal that are in paradise with the Lord are that nation.I agree. But, I wasn't speaking from that platform, necessarily.
I just meant that you can easily say what he did, and be right... in a limited view. Likewise, with a little reading, you will find just the opposite meanings....... IF you are trying to say KoG and KoH mean specific and different things. You can even find where the different terms are used when speaking to different and specific ethnic groups.
yes, which still refers to jersusalem at the temple, and tabernacle where God met with man. Jews also say that adam was formed at that location(mt.Moriah).Hummm. Kinda like the Jewish understanding of the terms, "Heaven & Earth"?
Of course Christ is Lord. But Scripture makes a distinction between the Father and the Son. Christ is God manifest in the flesh, who is also the one who will return for His saints. Hence "the Day of Christ". But long before Christ became a Man, God foretold of the Day of the LORD, which is a terrible period of human history, and which is yet to come.
So you believe the LORD is only referring to God the Father?
That wasn't the point. LORD (YAHWEH) is the personal name of God, and generally applies to God as God. But it is also the name of YAHSHUA (Jesus).
The point is that the Day of the LORD is a time of great and terrible judgments. The Day of Christ is the opposite. It is the time of the redemption of the Church (the perfection and glorification of the saints).
so when jesus comes back isn't that what paul said it would be like in one Corinthians 15? me thinks so. when jesus comes after the trib what will be that days' name isn't there some judgment and redemption in that idea?So my point is that this single day is perceived as terrible or glorious depending on whether one is judged for their own works or acquitted through Grace under Christ's blood.
that is for the pre tribbers and other futurists to answer.i believe in return, one resurrection and one judgementWhen Jesus comes back?Aren't there a lot of different views on this board of when that will happen?Then this question would be difficult to answer.
So my point is that this single day is perceived as terrible or glorious depending on whether one is judged for their own works or acquitted through Grace under Christ's blood.