what Law did Jesus replace?

[Elijah674]

Isa 42
[19] Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD's servant?
[20] Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.

[21] The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

I fail to see how anyone can find it teaching or saying 'to do away with, or destroy the Eternal Heb. 13:20 Covenabnt law?? Or that, that meant to to full/fill.. as END it???

I don't see you disagreeing with Isa. 42? Unless you are saying that Christ did away with His 2 Cor. 3:3 'letter epistle' to us?? He stated that murder & adultery comes from inside ones heart as 'i' read it. And It is still adultery + murder. 1 John 3:4 (along with James 2:8-12 and any one of the ten Commandments)

--Elijah

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Hi Elijah! The Apostle Paul by the Holy Spirit told us we are no longer under the Law, that is called scripture and is contained in the Bible- LoL!
Wile I do believe those not under the New Covenant and God's grace are still judged by the Law a believer is judged in Christ.
I will not try to make a distinction between "types of Law" where the Holy Spirit made non.
If we walk in the Spirit God Himself will guide our steps and actions. While never trying to please Him by obeying rues we will quite naturally fulfill those Laws. Yet not even once can we succeed in pleasing Him by trying to get our flesh to live holy.
What is born of the flesh is flesh and no flesh will glory in His presence.

(bold emphasis mine)
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The Old Testament had rules we have the Holy Spirit.

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.


Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Gal 4:1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
Gal 4:2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Hi, you got to be kidding? Who does not know that?? It is not until one sin's (1 John 3:4) that they are again under the law. Sin is BONDAGE, not Christ's Law! If not, why is there a need of Christ as ones High Priest???????????? OK: Now tell me what Born Again SON would NOT LOVE CHRIST?

He says: [[[IF]]] ye LOVE ME keep My Commandments. And the motive for doing so is what? LOVE FOR CHRIST. And the [[[POWER]]] to KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS ARE GIVEN US! Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 9:12 [[IF]] we LOVE HIM!
--Elijah

 

[Packrat]

Why didn't God send Jesus back in Noah's time rather then kill everyone. or rather why didnt God sent Jesus in the days of Seth?

The Bible says that Jesus was sacrificed from the foundation of the world. So part of the good news is that God did send Jesus way back then. That's how Abraham was able to be justified by faith in God. And that's how all of the Hebrews in the Old Testament could have their sins atoned for by faith in God by observing the provisional sacrificial system. God said it. If they believed it then it was counted as righteousness to them. But the real power behind it all was Christ's blood all along which did the actual purchasing of our souls from Satan. Without his blood from the beginning of the world faith in God would have availed us nothing because God wouldn't've purchased us back from Satan and we'd still be bound to him.

The mistake you will see many make (and which can end up being damaging to our faith and misleading) is that they say we needed the sacrificial system to atone for our sins because there was one way for our sins to be atoned for under the Old Covenant and now a new way. They might say that we were made right by observance of the Law back then but now we are made right by faith in God through Jesus. And this is just not correct. It has always been about faith. The sacrificial system of the Old Testament was merely set in place to lead us to the Messiah and to allow us to be made right by faith in God until the Messiah came. And you will see that many of the Hebrews before Jesus came had already known of the promise of a Messiah by looking at God's Torah (the Old Testament or first five books of the Bible). So it worked. God had a plan for our salvation and he had already paid the price to save us from the foundation of the world. However, he interacts with us in the dimension of time and so it took time for the Messiah to come and for his sacrifice for us to be made apparent.

So in essence Jesus did not replace any law. He came to fulfill and he did just that. God's laws are still applicable for us to obey to this day because Jesus had always been around and the price had always been paid even when we were commanded by God to follow the sacrificial system. To say that now he has become our Passover Lamb and our High Priest so that we need not celebrate Passover or have a symbolic human high priest any more is Scripturally unsound. He had always been our Passover Lamb and our High Priest. Yet we were commanded to observe these ceremonial laws.

If you would like to research the subject more then just stop on by my thread Definitive Answer on Legalism & Judaizing at viewtopic.php?f=14&t=44674 I never meant for the title to imply that we should be legalistic, so just keep that in mind when reading.

 

[Elijah674]

Why didn't God send Jesus back in Noah's time rather then kill everyone. or rather why didnt God sent Jesus in the days of Seth?

The Bible says that Jesus was sacrificed from the foundation of the world. So part of the good news is that God did send Jesus way back then. That's how Abraham was able to be justified by faith in God. And that's how all of the Hebrews in the Old Testament could have their sins atoned for by faith in God by observing the provisional sacrificial system. God said it. If they believed it then it was counted as righteousness to them. But the real power behind it all was Christ's blood all along which did the actual purchasing of our souls from Satan. Without his blood from the beginning of the world faith in God would have availed us nothing because God wouldn't've purchased us back from Satan and we'd still be bound to him.

The mistake you will see many make (and which can end up being damaging to our faith and misleading) is that they say we needed the sacrificial system to atone for our sins because there was one way for our sins to be atoned for under the Old Covenant and now a new way. They might say that we were made right by observance of the Law back then but now we are made right by faith in God through Jesus. And this is just not correct. It has always been about faith. The sacrificial system of the Old Testament was merely set in place to lead us to the Messiah and to allow us to be made right by faith in God until the Messiah came. And you will see that many of the Hebrews before Jesus came had already known of the promise of a Messiah by looking at God's Torah (the Old Testament or first five books of the Bible). So it worked. God had a plan for our salvation and he had already paid the price to save us from the foundation of the world. However, he interacts with us in the dimension of time and so it took time for the Messiah to come and for his sacrifice for us to be made apparent.

So in essence Jesus did not replace any law. He came to fulfill and he did just that. God's laws are still applicable for us to obey to this day because Jesus had always been around and the price had always been paid even when we were commanded by God to follow the sacrificial system. To say that now he has become our Passover Lamb and our High Priest so that we need not celebrate Passover or have a symbolic human high priest any more is Scripturally unsound. He had always been our Passover Lamb and our High Priest. Yet we were commanded to observe these ceremonial laws.

If you would like to research the subject more then just stop on by my thread Definitive Answer on Legalism & Judaizing at viewtopic.php?f=14&t=44674 I never meant for the title to imply that we should be legalistic, so just keep that in mind when reading.

Good post. And Abe DIED + all these ones [In the Faith] (that faith) And it goes on to say having not received the promise! Heb. 11:8-13

Hay! And that proves Luke 16 a Parable too, huh! ;)

--Elijah

 

[Packrat]

Why didn't God send Jesus back in Noah's time rather then kill everyone. or rather why didnt God sent Jesus in the days of Seth?

The Bible says that Jesus was sacrificed from the foundation of the world. So part of the good news is that God did send Jesus way back then. That's how Abraham was able to be justified by faith in God. And that's how all of the Hebrews in the Old Testament could have their sins atoned for by faith in God by observing the provisional sacrificial system. God said it. If they believed it then it was counted as righteousness to them. But the real power behind it all was Christ's blood all along which did the actual purchasing of our souls from Satan. Without his blood from the beginning of the world faith in God would have availed us nothing because God wouldn't've purchased us back from Satan and we'd still be bound to him.

The mistake you will see many make (and which can end up being damaging to our faith and misleading) is that they say we needed the sacrificial system to atone for our sins because there was one way for our sins to be atoned for under the Old Covenant and now a new way. They might say that we were made right by observance of the Law back then but now we are made right by faith in God through Jesus. And this is just not correct. It has always been about faith. The sacrificial system of the Old Testament was merely set in place to lead us to the Messiah and to allow us to be made right by faith in God until the Messiah came. And you will see that many of the Hebrews before Jesus came had already known of the promise of a Messiah by looking at God's Torah (the Old Testament or first five books of the Bible). So it worked. God had a plan for our salvation and he had already paid the price to save us from the foundation of the world. However, he interacts with us in the dimension of time and so it took time for the Messiah to come and for his sacrifice for us to be made apparent.

So in essence Jesus did not replace any law. He came to fulfill and he did just that. God's laws are still applicable for us to obey to this day because Jesus had always been around and the price had always been paid even when we were commanded by God to follow the sacrificial system. To say that now he has become our Passover Lamb and our High Priest so that we need not celebrate Passover or have a symbolic human high priest any more is Scripturally unsound. He had always been our Passover Lamb and our High Priest. Yet we were commanded to observe these ceremonial laws.

If you would like to research the subject more then just stop on by my thread Definitive Answer on Legalism & Judaizing at viewtopic.php?f=14&t=44674 I never meant for the title to imply that we should be legalistic, so just keep that in mind when reading.

Good post. And Abe DIED + all these ones [In the Faith] (that faith) And it goes on to say having not received the promise! Heb. 11:8-13

Hay! And that proves Luke 16 a Parable too, huh! ;)

--Elijah

My understanding of this passage is that they did not receive the end result of the promise in their life times. This is what that passage means. Read Hebrews 11:32-33, 39. Seems rather contradictory, no? That is until we read verses 10 and 40. Together with us they will be made perfect and enter into the city of God. This did not happen in their life times. Read Matthew 12:26 on this point. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are counted among the living. They are not counted among the 'dead' or the 'lost.' Furthermore, read Matthew 8:11.

 

[Adullam]

Jesus came to replace the law of sin and death.

 

[Elijah674]

Jesus came to replace the law of sin and death.

Sorry! But who are we to believe, you or Inspiration? Heb. 11:13 was even dated AD64 well past Christ Resurection! --Elijah

 

[ozell]

Jesus came to replace the law of sin and death.

People are still sinning and dying how then can this be replaced?

I read in Revalation 20 as the time sin and death is replaced or taken away.

Satan who is the chief of sin is still walking around, he will be here until the Lord put him in the lake of fire.

Heb 10 tell us what was replaced

1: For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2: For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3: But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4: For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.5: Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7: Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8: Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9: Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10: By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11: And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

 

[ozell]

My understanding of this passage is that they did not receive the end result of the promise in their life times. This is what that passage means. Read Hebrews 11:32-33, 39. Seems rather contradictory, no? That is until we read verses 10 and 40. Together with us they will be made perfect and enter into the city of God. This did not happen in their life times. Read Matthew 12:26 on this point. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are counted among the living. They are not counted among the 'dead' or the 'lost.' Furthermore, read Matthew 8:11.

Mt 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Lk 24:5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?

 

[Elijah674]

Elijah here: We hear that the Born Again mind is to let the carnal body control it huh! (sick!)

And we hear that we are now under Grace. Great, we are, Praise be to our Master! First comes though, that we are required to be Born Again. Now we are Under Grace, Saving Grace! We are New Creatures..Reborn, but can we still sin?? Under Grace?? If we are under Grace from here on, why do we now need our Hebrews 9:11-14's High Priest?

"But Christ being come an High Priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building, Neither by the blood of goats and caves, but by His own blood he entered in once into the Holy Place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. ... (notice!) purge your conscience from dead works to serve a living God?"

So now we are when Born Again, and under Grace! That makes the 'conscience' at peace with the mind, huh? What is Christ now doing in verse 7? But into the second went the High Priest (earthly) alone once every year ... The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the Holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing. Which was a figure of the true ... Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation."

Did you get all of this? These laws all prefigured Christ 'Confirmation', death on the cross and our ever living High Priest. Now Grace?? No more Law?? And does it say that the law of God was voided out here? Or the above that prefigured the true? The Laws that Moses penned which stood in 'washings', 'carnal ordinances' until the Galatians 3:19 'Promise' was confirmed? "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, til the seed should come to whom the promise was made..."

Well now, Christ came, and we are under Grace. This law was added because of sin. Yet, there would be no sin in heaven, (satan) or Adam on earth without the Eternal Covenant! (Hebrews 13:20) "Whosoever committeth sin trangresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4

So, it is not hard for any Born Again Christian to see that this ten Commandment Eternal Covenant is not these laws to the left of the cross of Christ, 'carnal ordinances, imposed upon them until the reformation', or the time that Christ became our High Priest. These were all the Law of Moses of Deuteronomy 31:9, Deuteronomy 31:24-25. that were placed in the side of the Ark of God, not inside of it where the Ten Commandments were kept.

The Ark of God??
Christ's death sent Him where, as our High Priest?? The Vail of the earthly Temple was rent from top to bottom by an unseen hand, making the way into the Most Holy Place where the Ark of the Eternal Covenant of God is at the Present time! Notice Hebrews 9:3 "And after the second Vail, which is called the Holiest of all, which had ... the Ark of the Covenant ... and the tables of the Covenant" (Moses laws remember were in the [side] of the Ark, not inside. Yet, take note of this verse in Revelation 11:18-19)
".. and the time of the dead, that should be judged, and should have reward, ... ***And the Temple of God was *IN HEAVEN and there was SEEN THE ARK OF HIS TESTAMENT."
Under Grace? Are you in need of Christ our High Priest? Why? Do you sin?? We see that it is not possible to sin without a law! 1 John 3:4
So if one sins & is under Grace, then there is still a Eternal Covenant Law (ten Commandments) and there is still Grace if one asks for forgiveness of your sin right?? Do we believe in our Lords Prayer?? Now, when I sin, am I still under Grace without asking for forgiveness?If I say yes, am I telling the Truth that I am under Grace while not asking for forgiveness, or have I just knowingly broken the Commandment of lying? Still under Grace you say?? If so, why have a High Priest Savior in the first place to ask forgiveness of 'our sins'? (again, no law, no sin)

OK: Sin of ignorance & sin of open knowledge. All transgression of the Eternal Covenant law is still sin! The Covenant in heaven is what Christ's work is pertaining to, for us. When we sin, we are right back condemned under the Eternal Covenant of God. We then ask for forgiveness of our sins. And then we are again forgiven. But notice that we Born Again ones, are to now said to be 'Led' by the Holy Ghost in Romans 8:14. Now what are we being led to do? The Royal Eternal Covenant of the Godhead is perfect, converting the soul! It has no sin, it is the very 'Epistle' or Christ! 2 Corinthians 3:3 (perfect-flawless) The Holy Spirit leads us into all Truth, that is the Covenant of God. See Christ's work of Isaiah 42:21.

For any to be led otherwise?? Is to revolt! It Grieves & it Quenches the one leading us! In time He will quite His 'Striving' with us! See Acts 9:5 with Saul 'it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks' and Genesis 6:3 . There comes a time that we just will not be led, and God quits striving with us. See Revelation 3:16-17 . Well, back in the Holy place of Grace, while we are in obedience, we see in Hebrews 10:23 that it is not yet a done deal of once under Grace always under Grace. "Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering.." And Hebrews 10:26-29 "For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the Truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sin, But a certain fearful looking for of the judgement and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

Under Grace you still say? When one knows that they are 'openly sinning "Willfully" the verse says? To say that I am under Grace while "willfully" sinning is bringing me right into Bondage of the breaking of the Eternal Covenant Law of God! Willfully, openly! Not only doing the lawbreaking, but with even being an PARTAKER of any sin. Revelation 18:4. Any known breaking of the Covenant of God, the 7th day Sabbath 'Openly' included! James 2:8-12. And it states that this Royal Law will be our standard in Judgement to see if our profession matches our character.

In closing: Born Again? Under Grace. Perfect at this point! Romans 8:1. The Positives of Hebrews 6:1-5! Then comes 'willful' dis/obedience, openly. What are we then [knowingly] doing?? All of us that are Born Again know for sure what we are doing when the Holy Spirit leads us and we go against His Leading! Remember forum, that these ones have the Covenant written in their 'minds'! See Hebrews 10:16.

Well, under Grace can change very quickly to being under Bondage, when 'willfully done'. Then notice what the ex/under Grace one knowingly has done? Hebrews 6:6 says: "... seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put Him to an [open] shame."

Lord, I love you, but I do not love your Eternal Covenant Epistle! Under Grace still? Hardly! See Obadia 16 for the ones seen above.

 

[turnorburn]

He fulfilled the law "All of it"


turnorburn

 

[Elijah674]

He fulfilled the law "All of it"


turnorburn

So we can now use Caesar to force Sunday [law] Worship, huh! Rom. 13. You know, satan's all hell is at present breaking loose (Look around.. and we ain't seen nut'in yet!) and we can all agree to make 'c'hristian Sunday worshipers to stop this Jonah 1:12 judgement thing. Matt. 24:21

--Elijah

PS: But don't say that you have not been WARNED! Your law/less profession is the reason for these calamities!

 

[Boanerges]

Isa 42
[19] Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the LORD's servant?
[20] Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.

[21] The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

I fail to see how anyone can find it teaching or saying 'to do away with, or destroy the Eternal Heb. 13:20 Covenabnt law?? Or that, that meant to to full/fill.. as END it???

I don't see you disagreeing with Isa. 42? Unless you are saying that Christ did away with His 2 Cor. 3:3 'letter epistle' to us?? He stated that murder & adultery comes from inside ones heart as 'i' read it. And It is still adultery + murder. 1 John 3:4 (along with James 2:8-12 and any one of the ten Commandments)

--Elijah

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Hi Elijah! The Apostle Paul by the Holy Spirit told us we are no longer under the Law, that is called scripture and is contained in the Bible- LoL!
Wile I do believe those not under the New Covenant and God's grace are still judged by the Law a believer is judged in Christ.
I will not try to make a distinction between "types of Law" where the Holy Spirit made non.
If we walk in the Spirit God Himself will guide our steps and actions. While never trying to please Him by obeying rues we will quite naturally fulfill those Laws. Yet not even once can we succeed in pleasing Him by trying to get our flesh to live holy.
What is born of the flesh is flesh and no flesh will glory in His presence.

(bold emphasis mine)
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Gal 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The Old Testament had rules we have the Holy Spirit.

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.


Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Gal 4:1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
Gal 4:2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Hi, you got to be kidding? Who does not know that?? It is not until one sin's (1 John 3:4) that they are again under the law. Sin is BONDAGE, not Christ's Law! If not, why is there a need of Christ as ones High Priest???????????? OK: Now tell me what Born Again SON would NOT LOVE CHRIST?

He says: [[[IF]]] ye LOVE ME keep My Commandments. And the motive for doing so is what? LOVE FOR CHRIST. And the [[[POWER]]] to KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS ARE GIVEN US! Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 9:12 [[IF]] we LOVE HIM!
--Elijah

What specifically were Jesus commands?

 

[Elijah674]

turnorburn asks: What specifically were Jesus commands?

'This is He , that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to Him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who [received the lively oricles to give to us].' Acts 7:38 + ibid 51-57 tells of others even who 'stopped their ears' & verse 58 And?? nevermind 1 Cor. 10:1-4

--Elijah

 

[turnorburn]

He fulfilled the law "All of it"


turnorburn

So we can now use Caesar to force Sunday [law] Worship, huh! Rom. 13. You know, satan's all hell is at present breaking loose (Look around.. and we ain't seen nut'in yet!) and we can all agree to make 'c'hristian Sunday worshipers to stop this Jonah 1:12 judgement thing. Matt. 24:21

--Elijah

PS: But don't say that you have not been WARNED! Your law/less profession is the reason for these calamities!

Who was speaking to Moses from the bush?

turnorburn

 

[Elijah674]

He fulfilled the law "All of it"


turnorburn

"ALL OF IT''
That is why we have ROBOT only belive'ism'ers, huh? just think, i can fly! NO gravity, eat & drink anything! (killing their/self & on & on into hell that puts them out of their 'empty/brain/shell forever! Obad 1:16 just as though they had NEVER BEEN! And who needs 'brain/less' robots in heaven?

==Elijah

 

[Adullam]

Jesus came to replace the law of sin and death.

People are still sinning and dying how then can this be replaced?

I read in Revalation 20 as the time sin and death is replaced or taken away.

Satan who is the chief of sin is still walking around, he will be here until the Lord put him in the lake of fire.

Heb 10 tell us what was replaced

1: For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

2: For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

3: But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

4: For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.5: Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

6: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

7: Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

8: Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

9: Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

10: By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11: And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

I guess many have come to ignore the bible as irrelevent! :verysad

2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

 

[Elijah674]

That is what the last words are for the ones jumping off a 300' water tower.. FREE AT LAST!
But they will find that ALL LAW was not finished, huh?

--Elijah

 

[Adullam]

The freedom in Christ is not automatic. One must go through the cross experience by faith and be brought to nothing. One must be fully surrendered looking only to Him. Then His power kicks in. This is the walk of Christ in us. When someone walks by the Spirit...one walks in full accord with God's law. One walks in total freedom and victory. God's law is for everything OUTSIDE the Spirit. There is no law or condemnation for those who are powered by heaven. So the walk in the Spirit is in accordance with the full requirement of God.

 

[Elijah674]

The freedom in Christ is not automatic. One must go through the cross experience by faith and be brought to nothing. One must be fully surrendered looking only to Him. Then His power kicks in. This is the walk of Christ in us. When someone walks by the Spirit...one walks in full accord with God's law. One walks in total freedom and victory. God's law is for everything OUTSIDE the Spirit. There is no law or condemnation for those who are powered by heaven. So the walk in the Spirit is in accordance with the full requirement of God.

Sounds like a very good explaination to me. As long as we are not programed robots without a choice.
Gen. 4:7

--Elijah

 

[Adullam]

The freedom in Christ is not automatic. One must go through the cross experience by faith and be brought to nothing. One must be fully surrendered looking only to Him. Then His power kicks in. This is the walk of Christ in us. When someone walks by the Spirit...one walks in full accord with God's law. One walks in total freedom and victory. God's law is for everything OUTSIDE the Spirit. There is no law or condemnation for those who are powered by heaven. So the walk in the Spirit is in accordance with the full requirement of God.

Sounds like a very good explaination to me. As long as we are not programed robots without a choice.
Gen. 4:7

--Elijah

The problem is that we don't necessarily make the wisest choices with the freedom we have. Sometimes I wish I had less choice in the matter. Like when a friend forces you to not take a foolish step. I think we as brethren can do that somewhat for each other. Of course, it takes a trusting relationship and a spiritual maturity!