What rights have Christians lost?

[GojuBrian]

And what gives you the right to say who is or isn't a true Christian? (Forgot to include this last time)

1) The Constitution.

If you are an atheist now, you were not a true christian then, just for clarification.

 

[jasoncran]

because most americans that take it for granted. what do you think that feds can never do wrong or evil, recent history suggests otherwise

ever heard of the unlawful detainment of loyal japenese americans during ww2? or how we let a group of black men go through the full course of syphillis, just to see what it would do?all they while telling them that we were treating them!
or how about those death camps that both north and the south had during the civil war, or the illegal and immoral relocation of the indians, ie trail of tears, slavery and so on.

evil is always around it just get contains but it never dies, it will be this way until the return of the messiah.

how many people actually know how the flag of the u.s should be treated. many today dont. most dont even show respect when the national anthem is played.

 

[ChattyMute]

And what gives you the right to say who is or isn't a true Christian? (Forgot to include this last time)

1) The Constitution.

If you are an atheist now, you were not a true christian then, just for clarification.

I think you mean the first amendment. Yes, it gives you the right to say that. However, it doesn't mean you are correct or that you have the power to deem who is or isn't a true Christian.
And I got that the first time you said it.

because most americans that take it for granted. what do you think that feds can never do wrong or evil, recent history suggests otherwise

Statistics on this? Survey?
Where did you get that idea from? I never said anything about it. Of course some feds can be wrong or evil, they're human.

ever heard of the unlawful detainment of loyal japenese americans during ww2? or how we let a group of black men go through the full course of syphillis, just to see what it would do?all they while telling them that we were treating them!
or how about those death camps that both north and the south had during the civil war, or the illegal and immoral relocation of the indians, ie trail of tears, slavery and so on

Yes, I have heard of it. Who hasn't that has been through the 9th grade? I said currently. All nations, all religions, and all races have a history of wrong doings.

evil is always around it just get contains but it never dies, it will be this way until the return of the messiah.

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Nope. "Evil" will always be around as long as humans exist. Can't get rid of all the bad seeds.

how many people actually know how the flag of the u.s should be treated. many today dont. most dont even show respect when the national anthem is played.

Have you ever been to a sports game? Most people there show respect to the anthem when it is played. 'And just because you don't show visual appreciation, doesn't mean you don't appreciate it.
And just about everyone I know has a least some idea how the flag should be treated. What kind of people do you pal around with?

You still haven't answered how this relates to Christians losing rights.
If you can't do that, we need to both drop it or continue the discussion over PMs.

 

[jasoncran]

no, how many cross their heart the right hand, from the few that i have watched many dont. some talk during the anthem, but anyway back to topic

were are christians and upon the return of the messiah evil will finally be dealt with once and for all.

the symphillis incident was within my parents lifetime, not that long ago. if we let our guard down evil will arise.

ever wonder aobut this most tv shows and other types of entertainement make fun of christians, but wouldnt dare make fun of islam and others. i do know of christians that make fun of other religions, i have been guilty (primarily of islam)

what have you forgotten about the la riots, or even with the far less mentioned watts riots, both started by white cops, the latter was totally motived by racial hatred, the former some hatred along with a little retalation for fellow cops being injured.
what the news didnt say was the rodney king that he almost killed two cops.

these are isolated icindents in that were in a certain area. but i do believe the day will come that america will persucute christians, not happening now, but it will, that is my opinion.

 

[jasoncran]

ah the jews were but i did start with the slow taking away of rights, making fun of them then on the downright. that has happened yet, but as i said earlier we are made fun of in mainstream culture.

think about it what would happen if a movie called mohammed a liar or made fun of him.
there would outrage from the muslims, looting and destruction overseas and so on.

to my knowledge only the entertainer jeff dunham pokes at islam, and really only makes fun the radical ones.

 

[ChattyMute]

no, how many cross their heart the right hand, from the few that i have watched many dont. some talk during the anthem, but anyway back to topic

were are christians and upon the return of the messiah evil will finally be dealt with once and for all.

the symphillis incident was within my parents lifetime, not that long ago. if we let our guard down evil will arise.

ever wonder aobut this most tv shows and other types of entertainement make fun of christians, but wouldnt dare make fun of islam and others. i do know of christians that make fun of other religions, i have been guilty (primarily of islam)

what have you forgotten about the la riots, or even with the far less mentioned watts riots, both started by white cops, the latter was totally motived by racial hatred, the former some hatred along with a little retalation for fellow cops being injured.
what the news didnt say was the rodney king that he almost killed two cops.

these are isolated icindents in that were in a certain area. but i do believe the day will come that america will persucute christians, not happening now, but it will, that is my opinion.

Whenever I have gone to a baseball game, most I sat around sang along and put their hand over their heart.

Okay. So there is evil in the world. According to you and your religion, it will be dealt with when the messiah comes. That doesn't explain how your rights have been taken away.

The syphilis incident was on blacks, as you said. It had nothing to do with Christianity. So it does not have anything to do with Christians' rights being taken away.

I've seen shows that have made fun of Islam and plenty of Comedians. They don't usually come on day time or evening TV. So no, it is not just Christianity being singled out. And even if you do hear people cracking jokes at Christianity, it doesn't necessarily mean anything.

The incidents you gave had nothing to do with Christianity. If anything, part of it was due to Christianity. (People using Christianity to justify racial hatred)

Alright racial hatred. Of course it still exists. And of course it is still terrible. With each generation, it gets a little bit better. How does this take away rights from Christians?

You haven't really given any reasons why the US will persecute Christians. Most were about another group, and not Christians. Here are a few reasons why it is unlikely.
1) The majority of the country is Christian.
2) (Hopefully) We are starting to move past racial hatred, so why would we switch to another kind hatred? That kinda defeats the purpose of peace and equality for all.
3) It's against the constitution. I realize that this hasn't stopped people in the past from racial hatred. But freedom of religion has ALWAYS been a part of the amendments.

And you still haven't given any specific rights that have been taken away from Christians. Do that in the next post.

 

[ChattyMute]

ah the jews were but i did start with the slow taking away of rights, making fun of them then on the downright. that has happened yet, but as i said earlier we are made fun of in mainstream culture.

think about it what would happen if a movie called mohammed a liar or made fun of him.
there would outrage from the muslims, looting and destruction overseas and so on.

to my knowledge only the entertainer jeff dunham pokes at islam, and really only makes fun the radical ones.

Mainstream culture makes fun of rednecks as well. Doesn't mean they are going to get persecuted. Making fun of something, at it's worst, would fall under harassment. Not persecution. Not taking away rights.
I make fun of most religion, countries, and anything else I can think of. However, I would never take away the rights of any person because of their religion or country. Most I know who make fun of religion feel the same way.

There probably has been a movie like that. I haven't seen it, but it's hard to imagine that there hasn't been one. And not every Muslim would get upset. The rational Muslims would see it as a joke. But of course, you won't hear about them, only the ones who get really public about it will be seen. And those people tend to be the ones offended by it.

And just another tid bit, people make fun of what they are most familiar with. It is harder for me to make fun of Islam because I don't know as much about it and can't make as good of jokes. Comedians are the same way. They pull from experiences or make a joke about things they are very familiar with.

Frankie Boyle has made fun of Islam. He's the only big time I can think of at the moment.
But just search Youtube. I've found at least 6 different videos in the past 20 seconds making fun og Islam in some way by doing a quick search.

And about the Jews. Germans started making fun of them after they lost their rights (to the best of my knowledge).

 

[jasoncran]

racisms hasnt changed much at all it still there, shoot justs like at the reverse racism that sotomayor embraces, racial quotas are just that, novel concept hire by qualifications not by race.

the hatred of jews didnt start nor end with the germans.

the constitution is only a peace paper , you do realize that if we let it be that, and as a culture we only care about ourselves not fellowman(many do).

show me show, aside from jeff dunham that really pokes at islam, i mean calls mohammed names, and so on, not the generic stuff that dunham uses for the extremist. this would include making fun of the sharia, the profit himself, calling not eating porking foolish and muslims stupid in general.

currently we arent being percuted yet, it is my belief that we will. can i prove that it will happen , no, it just a belief because of the recent and ever increasing way that society as a whole makes fun of what the bible says.

entertainment calls being a virgin stupid
the media portrays some christians(some media not all) as bigots for not believing in gay rights
the colleges generally make fun of christianity. i have a degree but havent been subjected to that. but others have
public schools calling the winter holidays instead of merry christmas, when i was kid it was merry christmas, and later merry christmas and happy chunnakah. hyper pc everywhere.

i realize that other groups are made fun. but with christianity in particular there seems to more of it. i reread your post, so i will look that comedian up.

i dont have the faith in people that you do, war has taught me one thing, you can only really(totally) trust jesus.
without laws or even with them people will do what they want. i cant pin finger on anything specific but i feel it, it will come.

no long ago gays were rolled for fun, that's wrong, but i do think that societies can go backwards aslo. we are arrogant to think that we wont.

being jewish, the rc and some of the protestant demonations made fun of and persecuted the jews, not all but many did, hitler was alble to to what he did because of that, it was the backdrop before him

he also killed other faiths as well, jw's, christians, blacks, and the disabled.

 

[jasoncran]

i was recently at a sports event any many didnt respect the flag

many do these things out of ignorance or for fincancial reasons,

hang old glory that is worn out, faded, or tattered, fold in correclty.

through old glory out rather than dispose of it properly, yes the american legion does take old flags and burns them in a ceremony.

had to say this.

i will leave on that one

 

[Lewis]

How can there be a different race, when Acts 17:26 says that from one blood, He made all nations of men. That word race, is man's 1930's garbage. And when they cracked the human Genome, they could not tell who, was who. So what does that tell you.

 

[ChattyMute]

racisms hasnt changed much at all it still there, shoot justs like at the reverse racism that sotomayor embraces, racial quotas are just that, novel concept hire by qualifications not by race.

Yes, that is why the US still has slavery and blacks still can't vote. How silly of me.
But back on topic. So comment= irrelevant to thread.

the hatred of jews didnt start nor end with the germans.

the constitution is only a peace paper , you do realize that if we let it be that, and as a culture we only care about ourselves not fellowman(many do).

The bible is only a piece of paper. If we let it be that, people only care about themselves.
Sorry but that doesn't work. The Constitution and the Bible are both more than just pieces of paper.
And you don't take into account the empathy people have.

show me show, aside from jeff dunham that really pokes at islam, i mean calls mohammed names, and so on, not the generic stuff that dunham uses for the extremist. this would include making fun of the sharia, the profit himself, calling not eating porking foolish and muslims stupid in general.

You have the internet. Find it yourself. It would take just as much time for me to go dig it up as it would for you. He did make some of those remarks about Muslims in general. And again a search on youtube will find you more people making fun of Islam if you look hard enough.
Americans don't hear about Islam being made fun of as much because most People in America are not Muslim and not familiar with the religion.
And people have the freedom of speech to make fun of whatever the want. You haven't lost any rights by being made fun of.

currently we arent being percuted yet, it is my belief that we will. can i prove that it will happen , no, it just a belief because of the recent and ever increasing way that society as a whole makes fun of what the bible says.

The society as a whole is making more fun of everything as we become more comfortable with freedom of speech.
If you don't have any specific rights Christians have lost then this conversation is done. What we are going on about deserves it's own thread.

entertainment calls being a virgin stupid
the media portrays some christians(some media not all) as bigots for not believing in gay rights
the colleges generally make fun of christianity. i have a degree but havent been subjected to that. but others have
public schools calling the winter holidays instead of merry christmas, when i was kid it was merry christmas, and later merry christmas and happy chunnakah. hyper pc everywhere.

Actually, I like it better as the winter holidays, even though I still do celebrate Christmas. (For the reason of giving and spending time with family)
PC does not equal rights lost. I don't really like PC all that much, but it does not takes rights away.
And entertainment is for entertaining. You can hardly take most entertainment seriously. People do think being a virgin is stupid. They have just as much right to voice their opinions as you do yours.

i realize that other groups are made fun. but with christianity in particular there seems to more of it. i reread your post, so i will look that comedian up.

I already explained this. It's easier to make fun of things you know more about. And it is a fair guess to say that most people in American know more about Christianity than any other religion.
His videos are a bit scattered on youtube, but it's there.

i dont have the faith in people that you do, war has taught me one thing, you can only really(totally) trust jesus.
without laws or even with them people will do what they want. i cant pin finger on anything specific but i feel it, it will come.

That's a bit pessimistic. War has taught me that there will always be a few bad apples. Doesn't mean every one is bad.
Not true. They may to a limit. But most people will not go around killing others because there is no law preventing it. They have an innate sense of right an wrong. You don't kill others because you don't want to be killed yourself, and if you know that other person has a family and kids, that just makes it harder to bring your self to it.
I'm sorry, but just feeling it will come doesn't work for me or a lot of other people. =/

no long ago gays were rolled for fun, that's wrong, but i do think that societies can go backwards aslo. we are arrogant to think that we wont.

They can, we have (middle ages). Irrelevant to thread.

being jewish, the rc and some of the protestant demonations made fun of and persecuted the jews, not all but many did, hitler was alble to to what he did because of that, it was the backdrop before him

Hitler was able to do what he did because of the state the Germans were in and the Jews still had money. They were looking for someone to blame, and it is easy to blame the people with the money.

he also killed other faiths as well, jw's, christians, blacks, and the disabled.

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Yes, I know. That doesn't really help you point.

Alright. This has gone far enough. This discussion is over as you have failed to list rights Christians have lost in America, just a couple of reasons why you think Christians might be persecuted in the future. If you want to continue this, start a new thread. I won't be replying on this thread again to this specific conversation.

 

[ChattyMute]

How can there be a different race, when Acts 17:26 says that from one blood, He made all nations of men. That word race, is man's 1930's garbage. And when they cracked the human Genome, they could not tell who, was who. So what does that tell you.

Genome is the same. It is the color of the skin that is different. Different levels of melanin to protect our ancestors from the sun. And the word race was around long before then. It's a way to visually identify people and separate them.
What does this have to do with the thread?
Besides that Jason had talked about race in his posts and I commented on it.

 

[jasoncran]

one cant explain a gut feeling about anything, what you want a list of why i feel that way, sorry, it is what it is.

 

[ChattyMute]

one cant explain a gut feeling about anything, what you want a list of why i feel that way, sorry, it is what it is.

I know you can't explain a gut feeling. It works for the purpose of your own logic, but it doesn't work for others. That's what I was saying.
What I wanted a list of is rights that have currently been taken away from Christians in America. That is what this thread is about.

 

[Veritas]

There are certainly a group of people in this country who think Christianity is immoral and wouldn't mind seeing it abolished. I have listened to many claim that Christianity's ideals are fully of bigotry, inequality, discrimination, and that if society must advance it must steadily evolve towards a state of social liberalism. Christianity is seen as a detriment to this advance in their eyes. With these beliefs becoming more prevalent in our society it is no surprise that pastors in this country have already faced jail time for expressing their beliefs about homosexuality and abortion. If Europe is any indication of what our culture may become we can expect more rights to be taken away. Certain jobs are already refused to Christians living there because of their beliefs.

 

[Lewis]

How can there be a different race, when Acts 17:26 says that from one blood, He made all nations of men. That word race, is man's 1930's garbage. And when they cracked the human Genome, they could not tell who, was who. So what does that tell you.

Genome is the same. It is the color of the skin that is different. Different levels of melanin to protect our ancestors from the sun. And the word race was around long before then. It's a way to visually identify people and separate them.
What does this have to do with the thread?
Besides that Jason had talked about race in his posts and I commented on it.

That word was not used until the 30's to define people on a wide scale, and even then it was used for the European Jews mostly, by the Germans, and the Genome is the same as what ? And I commented on it because it came up. Not to be getting to far off topic.

 

[ChattyMute]

[quote="Lewis W":1yp57lgs]How can there be a different race, when Acts 17:26 says that from one blood, He made all nations of men. That word race, is man's 1930's garbage. And when they cracked the human Genome, they could not tell who, was who. So what does that tell you.

Genome is the same. It is the color of the skin that is different. Different levels of melanin to protect our ancestors from the sun. And the word race was around long before then. It's a way to visually identify people and separate them.
What does this have to do with the thread?
Besides that Jason had talked about race in his posts and I commented on it.

That word was not used until the 30's to define people on a wide scale, and the Genome is the same as what ? And I commented on it because it came up. Not to be getting to far off topic.[/quote:1yp57lgs]

The word appears in the indoctrination thing in a racial hatred group just after the civil war. The Knights of the White Camellia. The word is older than the 30's.
The Genome is the same among people.

 

[jasoncran]

knights of the white camelia, aka ku klux klan, if i recall correctly.

jason

 

[Lewis]

I know the word is older, but it was not used like this until the 1930's when everybody got in on it.

 

[ChattyMute]

There are certainly a group of people in this country who think Christianity is immoral and wouldn't mind seeing it abolished. I have listened to many claim that Christianity's ideals are fully of bigotry, inequality, discrimination, and that if society must advance it must steadily evolve towards a state of social liberalism. Christianity is seen as a detriment to this advance in their eyes. With these beliefs becoming more prevalent in our society it is no surprise that pastors in this country have already faced jail time for expressing their beliefs about homosexuality and abortion. If Europe is any indication of what our culture may become we can expect more rights to be taken away. Certain jobs are already refused to Christians living there because of their beliefs.

Yes, some people wouldn't mind if Christianity goes away. Doesn't mean they are going to outright abolish it from humanity (or that they can). They have a right to think that Christianity is immoral. It's their opinion.

I don't see humans being without religion for a long time to come. Even if we do "steadily evolve towards a state of social liberalism", no is going to be forcing people to more towards the social liberalism. It will be out of choice as people become better educated.

Yes, Christianity is seen as a detriment. Along with Islam and Judaism. Doesn't mean they can do anything about it.

You mind giving links to those stories? In Europe and about the priests.