What rights have Christians lost?

[ChattyMute]

knights of the white camelia, aka ku klux klan, if i recall correctly.

jason

Nope They were a different hate group. They didn't do night raids like the KKK. They also died out really quickly.

I know the word is older, but it was not used like this until the 1930's when everybody got in on it.

Everybody in the south used it like that. Along with other words I will not repeat. They used it to help justify slavery.
If I missing what you are saying still, explain further, por favor.

 

[Lewis]

The word race was not used that much, they would say things like, those are N---- people or, they are a different class of people, they are N-----, but little by little everyone, even blacks began to use the word race, to define.

 

[ChattyMute]

The word race was not used that much, they would say things like, those are N---- people or, they are a different class of people, they are N-----, but little by little everyone, even blacks began to use the word race, to define.

They may have used those words more, but they still used race.
I don't think this is going to go anywhere. :gah

 

[Veritas]

Yes, some people wouldn't mind if Christianity goes away. Doesn't mean they are going to outright abolish it from humanity (or that they can). They have a right to think that Christianity is immoral. It's their opinion.

The worry is that there will be outright abolishing because the concept of love and free-will that is intrinsic to Christianity will be much less of a constraint on "acting out" of opinions. We live in a culture that still borrows much of it's moral fabric from Christianity without realizing it. Christianity is being rejected but morals continue to persist in this fabric. If Christianity is further marginalized, there will eventually be a void in the fabric and it will be filled with another kind of moral system.

I don't see humans being without religion for a long time to come. Even if we do "steadily evolve towards a state of social liberalism", no is going to be forcing people to more towards the social liberalism. It will be out of choice as people become better educated.

Yes, Christianity is seen as a detriment. Along with Islam and Judaism. Doesn't mean they can do anything about it.

We will see.

You mind giving links to those stories? In Europe and about the priests.

A search should provide examples of pastors being jailed. The last report I heard from Europe refusing jobs to Christians was an article in a UK paper. A search on anti-gay Christians being refused work in old-peoples home should provide results.

 

[jasoncran]

for you chattymute, some of the ad pics are little offensive to some

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tians.html

 

[Lewis]

The word race was not used that much, they would say things like, those are N---- people or, they are a different class of people, they are N-----, but little by little everyone, even blacks began to use the word race, to define.

They may have used those words more, but they still used race.
I don't think this is going to go anywhere. :gah

And I knew that, don't know why I kept responding.

 

[ChattyMute]

The worry is that there will be outright abolishing because the concept of love and free-will that is intrinsic to Christianity will be much less of a constraint on "acting out" of opinions. We live in a culture that still borrows much of it's moral fabric from Christianity without realizing it. Christianity is being rejected but morals continue to persist in this fabric. If Christianity is further marginalized, there will eventually be a void in the fabric and it will be filled with another kind of moral system.

Yes and no. Christianity does have a lot of good morals. Many just being common sense. However, morals are not dependent on Christianity. We could get in a very big debate on this, but I don't really think that is appropriate for this thread. And hold up there. Love and free-will is not just something for Christians. Every agnostic and atheist I know wants that for themselves and others as well.
Another kind of moral system isn't bad in and of itself. Maybe adding a few more morals such as marriage should be available to all. But the basics of morals will not be taken away, cold-blooded murder will always remain immoral.

We will see.

I really like that response.

A search should provide examples of pastors being jailed. The last report I heard from Europe refusing jobs to Christians was an article in a UK paper. A search on anti-gay Christians being refused work in old-peoples home should provide results.

On the anti-gay Christians, I have mixed feelings. They should be allowed jobs. However, there views have no place in their job, and while they are being paid, their employers have a right to require them to have silence on certain controversial issues to avoid law suits or to be positive about it to encourage business at their, well, business. If they can't do that, they have no business working there.
On the pastor being jailed, that law is in place for a reason. It is in place to prevent women who are going to an abortion clinic from being harassed. He broke it. Also, he had the choice to choose an alternative program. He didn't.
He has the right exercise free speech all he wants, but constantly getting up in women's faces like that when it is unwanted is borderline harassment.
Also, I can't trust that news story completely. It is extremely biased.
In case we read two different stores on the pastor, here is the one I read. http://www.christianadc.org/news-and-articles/280-pastor-jailed-in-for-exercising-pro-life-speech

for you chattymute, some of the ad pics are little offensive to some

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tians.html

I found it on my own. Thanks, though.

And I knew that, don't know why I kept responding.

At least we both realize it.

 

[Vic C.]

There are certainly a group of people in this country who think Christianity is immoral and wouldn't mind seeing it abolished. I have listened to many claim that Christianity's ideals are fully of bigotry, inequality, discrimination, and that if society must advance it must steadily evolve towards a state of social liberalism. Christianity is seen as a detriment to this advance in their eyes. With these beliefs becoming more prevalent in our society it is no surprise that pastors in this country have already faced jail time for expressing their beliefs about homosexuality and abortion. If Europe is any indication of what our culture may become we can expect more rights to be taken away. Certain jobs are already refused to Christians living there because of their beliefs.

Thanks Craig, good post. It reminds me of a story I once heard. Let me paraphrase:

There was a time when most who come here on bot were Christians. As the country grew, immigration was welcomed and with it, a certain level of tolerance. All people, all walks of life, all skin colors, even those people with little or no beliefs in a Deity have graced the shores of this nation.

All of a sudden, some of them felt the "boat" was beginning to get a bit too crowded. So, the general consensus was to... throw the Christians overboard.

This is what is happening. Some of you may not see this as happening, or claim to believe it isn't. You may not admit it, but deep down, you are happy we are being squeezed out. You all have been conditioned to believe that "to each his own" and political correctness are righteous traits. Rome couldn't survive it's decadent behavior, what makes you think the US is any better.

The very fabric of a nation's health depends on it's morals. Our right to life has been taken away; almost 50 million lives lost to abortion. The life of the accused is valued more than the life of the innocent. So much for our inalienable rights. Public prayer in school is no longer allowed. When my dad was in grade school, they sang songs like Ave Maria and Christmas schools... it was a public school too. HS Coaches can no longer pray with their players without risking being persecuted. ... and yes, losing one's job over prayer IS persecution.

Merry Christmas has been replaced by Happy Holidays. :gah It's our Holiday and if we want to say Merry Christmas to each other, that is our prerogative. I don't say Happy Holidays to my Jewish friends and co workers; I say Happy Chanukah.

So a group, a minority, in one case, a party of one, complains about the wording of the Pledge and it's sparks a national debate. When in reality, if that parent wasn't so selfish, they would simply instruct their child to not partake in the reciting of the Pledge. The Ten Commandments were removed from the property of a Court building and for what? Because they offended? If morality is indeed common sense, then why would anyone be offended by 10 commands that define, or at least used to define, the morality of our culture?

 

[jasoncran]

good point, as i was one of those jw's that didnt recite the pledge or pray with the principal in public school prayer days. jw wont pray with any non jw, they will pray for them.

the pledge is considered idle worship to the jw.

jason