Whats the problem with sacriices taking place in the 1000 years?

[Jake]

Glory to the Lord God Almighty!

I edited my post with i think 5 or so words, when i read it back i viewed that it may seem as though i was targeting you, so i added what i really mean beside "You see the law" and at the end of "standing there with us"

Hope that makes it clearly what i meant by my words.

all is good, thanks for the clarification!

 

[Sinthesis]

Mat 5:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.​

Who here thinks this means sacrifices are still required? Why, or why not?
Once given, does God have to accept a sacrifice?

 

[warfrog]

Mat 5:18 - For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
​

Who here thinks this means sacrifices are still required? Why, or why not?
Once given, does God have to accept a sacrifice?

That scripture never pertained to the animal sacrifice, so no i dont believe an animal sacrifice is still required, following the law, Jesus Christ, is what is required and His yoke is light.
Look what Jesus asks the young rich ruler.

 

[Stormcrow]

{18} "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Matthew 5:18 (NASB)

{35} "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. Matthew 24:35 (NASB)

{1} "Moreover you shall make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twisted linen and blue and purple and scarlet material; you shall make them with cherubim, the work of a skillful workman. Exodus 26:1 (NASB)

What do "heaven and earth" represent and why are the colors scarlet and blue significant in their presence first in the Tabernacle then in the Temple?

What is Christ talking about when He repeatedly uses the phrase, "heaven and earth?" What is the "heaven and earth" that passed away and when?

 

[warfrog]

{18} "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Matthew 5:18 (NASB)

{35} "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. Matthew 24:35 (NASB)

{1} "Moreover you shall make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twisted linen and blue and purple and scarlet material; you shall make them with cherubim, the work of a skillful workman. Exodus 26:1 (NASB)

What do "heaven and earth" represent and why are the colors scarlet and blue significant in their presence first in the Tabernacle then in the Temple?

What is Christ talking about when He repeatedly uses the phrase, "heaven and earth?" What is the "heaven and earth" that passed away and when?

It would be the same heaven and earth spoken in these verses, no?:

2 Peter 3:7
"But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men"

Revelation 20:11
"Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them."

Revelation 21
" Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea."

 

[Elijah674]

It was stated:
It would be the same heaven and earth spoken in these verses, no?:

The answere is:
The same heavens & earth, but not at the same time period, as Eccl. 3:15 'twice' documents it. When Christ Comes the first time & then again after the 1000 years & we All who are saved return with Him.

 

[warfrog]

It was stated:
It would be the same heaven and earth spoken in these verses, no?:

The answere is:
The same heavens & earth, but not at the same time period, as Eccl. 3:15 'twice' documents it. When Christ Comes the first time & then again after the 1000 years & we All who are saved return with Him.

?

Revelation 20:7-10
"Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

I may be mistaken in what you meant Elijah, thats why i put the ?, but if i am not, how can the saints not be present on earth if the decieved "surround the camp of the saints"
Thats not possible if thier taken up to heaven somewhere at Christ's return.

 

[Elijah674]

?

Revelation 20:7-10
"Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

I may be mistaken in what you meant Elijah, thats why i put the ?, but if i am not, how can the saints not be present on earth if the decieved "surround the camp of the saints"
Thats not possible if thier taken up to heaven somewhere at Christ's return.

Hi, no problem with being mistaken in my post! (most do not understand at first)

Let me lay it out the way that 'i' see it?

First: Today we have two class DEAD in the grave. The Rightous & all the rest are wicked.

Next: Christ Comes the Second time at the starting of the 1000 years. This is Rev. 6:14-17 time of heaven & earth first partial destruction with the wicked that are alive ALL Dieing when not only Christ but ALL the Holy Angels comming as well. (think of at Christ's tomb when the guards fell as dead at the sight of only two angels) Now you have ALL the Wicked DEAD.

Now: The Rightous are changed at this moment into immortality + ALL the Rightous that died are at this time are resurected. 1 Thess. 4:15-17 'to meet the Lord in the air'.

The empty earth has a 1000 year type sabbath. The seperation of ALL the wicked who are DEAD & All the saved who are in heaven's 3rd. heaven, to take part in the Executional stage of the wicked ones judgement, who will die the second eternal Obad. 1:16 & Mal. 4:1-3 Truth. See what we are said to be doing in 1 Cor. 6:2-3. The Eccl. 12:13-14 have all the records clearly documents for this work. You might find Luke 12:47-48 of interest for who it will be who are the most guilty?

Now for the EMPTY Earth? Earth when Christ returnes the Second time will find satan & his evil angels the only one living here as it was just before God first created earth. With form & being void. It will be the same Eccl. 3:15 repeat. Read Jer. 4:23-27 & note the time/period of verse 26 'at the presence of the Lord'. + ibide. 23 'I beheld the earth, and lo, it was without form, and void: [and the heavens, and they had no light.]' and ibid. 25? 'I beheld, and [lo, there was NO man]...' And verse 27 has it that God DID NOT MAKE A FULL END?

We found that satan was in the earth during the 1000 years, and that the wicked were all dead, and that the all of the saved left to be with Christ for this time period. And note that the lower heavens are alluded to in verse 27 as 'I will not make a FULL END'.

OK: Now for your question. I see at the End of the 1000 years Rev. 21 taking place with the resurection of ALL the wicked who ever lived that will now die the Eternal Second death. The City with Christ & all the saints INSIDE of it will not Locate in its promised land until satan & his crew of angels + all of the wicked will die the Second Death. They die accordingly to the 1000 year judgement and this is the meaning of hell, each will suffer accordingly to their deeds. After this sight that we will ALL see, it is then that God recreates everything of heaven & earth where sin had ever touched. Note Zech. 14:1-5

See if that at least clearifies this as 'i' see it?

--Elijah

 

[Sinthesis]

That scripture never pertained to the animal sacrifice, so no i dont believe an animal sacrifice is still required, following the law, Jesus Christ, is what is required and His yoke is light.
Look what Jesus asks the young rich ruler.

The law does not pertain to animal sacrifices?:rolling Read Leviticus.
Stormcrow knows the pathway to reconcile this verse with reality.

 

[warfrog]

The law does not pertain to animal sacrifices?:rolling Read Leviticus.
Stormcrow knows the pathway to reconcile this verse with reality.

No it doesnt, sacrifices never covered sin, they represented Christ, any man could slay an animal in the accordance of God's decree, it never was about the animal, it was always about the representation of Christ's blood shed for us.
God never delighted in those sacrifices, they were a shadow of the Truth, that is, Christ.

1Sa 15:22 So Samuel said: "Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams.

Psa 51:16-17 For You do not desire sacrifice, or else I would give it; You do not delight in burnt offering. 17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit, A broken and a contrite heart— These, O God, You will not despise.

Now was it the sacrifices that accounted to righteousness or the heart of the man to God?

 

[warfrog]

Hi, no problem with being mistaken in my post! (most do not understand at first)

Let me lay it out the way that 'i' see it?

First: Today we have two class DEAD in the grave. The Rightous & all the rest are wicked.

Next: Christ Comes the Second time at the starting of the 1000 years. This is Rev. 6:14-17 time of heaven & earth first partial destruction with the wicked that are alive ALL Dieing when not only Christ but ALL the Holy Angels comming as well. (think of at Christ's tomb when the guards fell as dead at the sight of only two angels) Now you have ALL the Wicked DEAD.

Now: The Rightous are changed at this moment into immortality + ALL the Rightous that died are at this time are resurected. 1 Thess. 4:15-17 'to meet the Lord in the air'.

The empty earth has a 1000 year type sabbath. The seperation of ALL the wicked who are DEAD & All the saved who are in heaven's 3rd. heaven, to take part in the Executional stage of the wicked ones judgement, who will die the second eternal Obad. 1:16 & Mal. 4:1-3 Truth. See what we are said to be doing in 1 Cor. 6:2-3. The Eccl. 12:13-14 have all the records clearly documents for this work. You might find Luke 12:47-48 of interest for who it will be who are the most guilty?

Now for the EMPTY Earth? Earth when Christ returnes the Second time will find satan & his evil angels the only one living here as it was just before God first created earth. With form & being void. It will be the same Eccl. 3:15 repeat. Read Jer. 4:23-27 & note the time/period of verse 26 'at the presence of the Lord'. + ibide. 23 'I beheld the earth, and lo, it was without form, and void: [and the heavens, and they had no light.]' and ibid. 25? 'I beheld, and [lo, there was NO man]...' And verse 27 has it that God DID NOT MAKE A FULL END?

We found that satan was in the earth during the 1000 years, and that the wicked were all dead, and that the all of the saved left to be with Christ for this time period. And note that the lower heavens are alluded to in verse 27 as 'I will not make a FULL END'.

OK: Now for your question. I see at the End of the 1000 years Rev. 21 taking place with the resurection of ALL the wicked who ever lived that will now die the Eternal Second death. The City with Christ & all the saints INSIDE of it will not Locate in its promised land until satan & his crew of angels + all of the wicked will die the Second Death. They die accordingly to the 1000 year judgement and this is the meaning of hell, each will suffer accordingly to their deeds. After this sight that we will ALL see, it is then that God recreates everything of heaven & earth where sin had ever touched. Note Zech. 14:1-5

See if that at least clearifies this as 'i' see it?

--Elijah

It does clarify, that still does not agree with Rev 20:7-10, it is clear people exist with saints, the wicked are decieved when Satan is released and they surround the camp of the saints and the beloved city from which they are from all 4 corners of the earth, which indicates again both the presence of unrighteous and righteous during the thousand years, not an empty earth.

Then we are shown the judgement of the unrighteous in which heaven and earth flee away and are not found when this judgement begins for all the dead.
Rev 20:11-15

So I understand what your saying, i cannot agree that the earth is empty during the thousand years.
If Satan is shut up so that he cannot decieve and the saints are resurrected into incorruptible, immortal bodies at the beggining of the 1000 years which Rev 20:4-6 speaks, then who is Satan imprisoned from decieving? The unrighteous who already physically died cannot yet again be decieved, they have already died in their sins and must await the thousand years to finish until their judgement which again as Rev 20:11 implies heaven and earth are destroyed when that takes place as according to 2 Peter 3:7, so man must exist that hasent died in thier sins nor been made incorruptible in order for Satan to be prevented from decieving something, the saints cannot be decieved and the unrighteous dead are dead, that leaves only one option left for Satan to be prevented from decieving, man, as we are now.

 

[Elijah674]

If Satan is shut up so that he cannot decieve and the saints are resurrected into incorruptible, immortal bodies at the beggining of the 1000 years which Rev 20:4-6 speaks, then who is Satan imprisoned from decieving? The unrighteous who already physically died cannot yet again be decieved, they have already died in their sins and must await the thousand years to finish until their judgement which again as Rev 20:11 implies heaven and earth are destroyed when that takes place as according to 2 Peter 3:7, so man must exist that hasent died in thier sins nor been made incorruptible in order for Satan to be prevented from decieving something, the saints cannot be decieved and the unrighteous dead are dead, that leaves only one option left for Satan to be prevented from decieving, man, as we are now.

--Elijah here again: 'i' think that I still have not been clear?:yes

Rev. 20 you have there also:
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.


OK: You have NO one living on earth during the 1000 years except satan & his angels. They are all LITTERLY BOUND BY THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. (No one to tempt)


OK: Enter the above verses. When the 1000 years are over New Jerusalem
decends (Rev. 21:1-8) & at this time ALL of the hudge host of the wicked have their resurection, it is at this time that satan once again has his earthly captives to do as they did befor death. (he is loosed and unchained by these circumstances)


He was & is their master once again, & it is now that they all storm the City which will not quite touch down until God destroyes them in the Second Death's Eternal hell including the heavens, + earth & ALL SINNERS INCLUDING satan & the evil angels. Where ever sin has been will be cleansed by fire. See again Obad. 1:16 + Mal. 4:1-4.

It is then & only then that the City sets down in the [Promised Land].

 

[warfrog]

--Elijah here again: 'i' think that I still have not been clear?:yes

Rev. 20 you have there also:
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
[11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.


OK: You have NO one living on earth during the 1000 years except satan & his angels. They are all LITTERLY BOUND BY THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. (No one to tempt)


OK: Enter the above verses. When the 1000 years are over New Jerusalem
decends (Rev. 21:1-8) & at this time ALL of the hudge host of the wicked have their resurection, it is at this time that satan once again has his earthly captives to do as they did befor death. (he is loosed and unchained by these circumstances)


He was & is their master once again, & it is now that they all storm the City which will not quite touch down until God destroyes them in the Second Death's Eternal hell including the heavens, + earth & ALL SINNERS INCLUDING satan & the evil angels. Where ever sin has been will be cleansed by fire. See again Obad. 1:16 + Mal. 4:1-4.

It is then & only then that the City sets down in the [Promised Land].

I do understand Elijah, and it still doesnt make sence that the earth would be void for the 1000 years.

What would be the point of binding Satan, putting a seal on him and shutting him up for a thousand years if there is noone on earth for the thousand years?

Who is he bound from decieving? the dead are already decieved and the saints cant be decieved because they have recieved thier new bodies, they are incorruptible.
So what would be the point of this?:

Revelation 20:1-3
"Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while."

If theres no nations to decieve on the earth, why bind him up from decieving the nations?

 

[Stormcrow]

It would be the same heaven and earth spoken in these verses, no?:

2 Peter 3:7
"But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men"

Revelation 20:11
"Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them."

Revelation 21
" Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea."

Yes. Now what does the phrase "heaven and earth" represent?

 

[Elijah674]

I do understand Elijah, and it still doesnt make sence that the earth would be void for the 1000 years.

What would be the point of binding Satan, putting a seal on him and shutting him up for a thousand years if there is noone on earth for the thousand years?

Who is he bound from decieving? the dead are already decieved and the saints cant be decieved because they have recieved thier new bodies, they are incorruptible.
So what would be the point of this?:

Revelation 20:1-3
"Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while."

If theres no nations to decieve on the earth, why bind him up from decieving the nations?

OK: Let me try again!;) Right or wrong, OK?

When Christ returns for the Rightous, the only question that 'i' find asked is Eccl. 12:13-14 recorded question to be answered by ones life lived on earth.


'Let us hear the CONCLUSION OF THE WHOLE MATTER: Fear God, and KEEP [HIS} Commandments: [FOR THIS IS THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN]. (All mankind! James 2:8-12)

For God [SHALL BRING EVERY WORK INTO JUDGEMENT, WITH EVERY SECRET THING, WHEATHER IT BE GOOD, OR WHEATHER IT BE EVIL].'


OK: There are TWO phases to the judgement, as I see it. When Christ Comes Again, He BRINGS HIS REWARD WITH HIM! Rev. 22:12 (read verse 11 also!) 'And behold, I COME QUICKLY; [AND I BRING MY REWARD WITH ME] to give every man according as [his work shall be].' (only question, Saved or Lost)


So 'i' see the Wicked & the Rightous SEPERATED ETERNALLY at the Second Coming of Christ. But not executed as of yet. For we even have a part in their executional stage of Judgement. (again 1 Cor. 6:2-3)

NOW for the 1000 years Judgement?? What is there to judge you might ask?? The EXECUTIVE (or execution) Phase will be decided for these ones length of time of suffering's limit, during the 1000 years. These wicked have their resurection to die the Second Death according to these ACCURATE RECORD BOOKS at the end of the 1000 years. And again see Luke 12:47-48 for who it is that is the greatest offenders!


And again for clearity of my belief, I see the DEAD STANDING IN HEAVEN BY BOOKS ONLY, THESE RECORD BOOKS. Rev. 20:12-14 (that is the only way for dead to be standing as I see it)

--Elijah


PS:
If you could understand this above?? Here is a vital question that I think on much! If I get to heaven & go over these accurate record Books & find that there is one that is not there because of my lack of Love for my Master first & then his creation who might even be one from this forum, and that I was just to passive or 'lukwarm' to warn because of what 'people' might say, so how will I relate to that? So what has to be done, has to be done while there is still time.

 

[warfrog]

Yes. Now what does the phrase "heaven and earth" represent?

Heaven and earth. no symbolic meaning.

Wouldnt 2 Peter 3:7 signify thier literalness when also veiwed with those corresponding scriptures to a literal interpretation?

What do you understand as to their representation?

 

[warfrog]

OK: Let me try again!;) Right or wrong, OK?

When Christ returns for the Rightous, the only question that 'i' find asked is Eccl. 12:13-14 recorded question to be answered by ones life lived on earth.


'Let us hear the CONCLUSION OF THE WHOLE MATTER: Fear God, and KEEP [HIS} Commandments: [FOR THIS IS THE WHOLE DUTY OF MAN]. (All mankind! James 2:8-12)

For God [SHALL BRING EVERY WORK INTO JUDGEMENT, WITH EVERY SECRET THING, WHEATHER IT BE GOOD, OR WHEATHER IT BE EVIL].'


OK: There are TWO phases to the judgement, as I see it. When Christ Comes Again, He BRINGS HIS REWARD WITH HIM! Rev. 22:12 (read verse 11 also!) 'And behold, I COME QUICKLY; [AND I BRING MY REWARD WITH ME] to give every man according as [his work shall be].' (only question, Saved or Lost)


So 'i' see the Wicked & the Rightous SEPERATED ETERNALLY at the Second Coming of Christ. But not executed as of yet. For we even have a part in their executional stage of Judgement. (again 1 Cor. 6:2-3)

NOW for the 1000 years Judgement?? What is there to judge you might ask?? The EXECUTIVE (or execution) Phase will be decided for these ones length of time of suffering's limit, during the 1000 years. These wicked have their resurection to die the Second Death according to these ACCURATE RECORD BOOKS at the end of the 1000 years. And again see Luke 12:47-48 for who it is that is the greatest offenders!


And again for clearity of my belief, I see the DEAD STANDING IN HEAVEN BY BOOKS ONLY, THESE RECORD BOOKS. Rev. 20:12-14 (that is the only way for dead to be standing as I see it)

--Elijah


PS:
If you could understand this above?? Here is a vital question that I think on much! If I get to heaven & go over these accurate record Books & find that there is one that is not there because of my lack of Love for my Master first & then his creation who might even be one from this forum, and that I was just to passive or 'lukwarm' to warn because of what 'people' might say, so how will I relate to that? So what has to be done, has to be done while there is still time.

I'm in argeeance i think as to the first half of your post, and you know i have trouble understanding what your speaking as i have told you this before, so i apologize, i think i do agree halfway.....after that im lost on what your saying until your last sentences, in which there is a word for you for encouragement.

Do not fear what you do, do in faith of Christ and I will straighten your ways that your flow may be likewise to a river, following the path in which it was created in its flow.

If you keep your faith in Christ we dont have to worry about what we do and what we shall be accountd for, our Mediator shall be with us if we walk His ways, if we are in Him, who can be againts us? His yoke is easy and His mercy great.

I've posted alot of scripture and interpretation throughout my short life Elijah and i know some of it was wrong, ive gone through several veiws ext and studied all kinds of things, eventually i just gave up with what i could acheive as a man, then the Lord did His will in me when i was broken and came to Him to let Him do His will and not me do mine.
Now none of you know me here, but if you did you would know that basically how i speak it would confuse you guys to no end, ive studied and supported pretty much every veiw out there because I depended on myself and books ext, too stubborn to actually have faith and ask for His guidance, thats what ive done and I was all over the place, its not so now and sure this sounds like a testimony or a cheap effort to get you to maybe accept me as a person more, thats actually far from the truth, im simply telling you because its true.

So nough bout me 8) as i said i apologize for having trouble with your post's Elijah, Im trying to get better with understanding your writing style, im sure ill get it ^^.

My desire and hope in all this in truth, is to see His begin their relations in one mind, as a representation of a body that we are, a bride, thats singular, all of us being one through Christ, that is my greatest desire, to see all the division and seperation end. God willing i will continue what is done while i can, and i dont know how much longer that is, even so glory to the Lord!

I really do enjoy all our discussions we have (all of you) in scripture, even if we dont agree or see things differently, it always produces a different method of going to and fro in scripture for me for edification, so perhaps at this time i would just like to praise the Lord and say thank you for everyones, past, present and future discussions, thanks.

 

[Stormcrow]

Heaven and earth. no symbolic meaning.

Wouldnt 2 Peter 3:7 signify thier literalness when also veiwed with those corresponding scriptures to a literal interpretation?

What do you understand as to their representation?

The phrase "heaven and earth" - both as Jesus used it and as the apostles understood it - was a metaphor for the Temple. Here is what one Jewish scholar wrote about it:

However, the temple had one great advantage which neither the synagogue nor the school nor the sect nor prayer nor humility nor anything else could ever hope to duplicate. The temple was located on the one sacred place on Mount Moriah, where Abraham nearly sacrificed Isaac, where Jacob saw a ladder reaching into heaven, and where the angel of the Lord commanded David to build an altar.[27] It was the meeting place of heaven and earth, the center of the cosmos, the symbol of the cosmos, the visible presence of God’s oneness.

9. The Temple and the Synagogue | Religious Studies Center

Now, please recall this question, which no one has yet addressed:

"...why are the colors scarlet and blue significant in their presence first in the Tabernacle then in the Temple?"

Blue represents heaven, both the sky and the abode of God. Scarlet represents earth, the dust from which Adam (Hebrew for "red") was formed and the blood that flowed through him and in us.

Purple is the combination of these two primary colors: red and blue. It represents royalty and majesty. It also represents Christ: the union of heaven and earth; of God and man in one person, who came to earth to save us.

The veil in the Temple was made of fine linen and dyed in these three colors:

{31} "You shall make a veil of blue and purple and scarlet material and fine twisted linen; it shall be made with cherubim, the work of a skillful workman. Exodus 26:31 (NASB)

And here is where the shadow of the earthly Temple meets the substance of Christ:

{19} Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, {20} by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh, Hebrews 10:19-20 (NASB)

The blood (scarlet) of our Lord (purple), who came down from heaven (blue) to give us access to the Father which previously no one but the High Priest could enter into.

His flesh is the new veil through which any wishing to approach the Father must pass.

{6} Jesus *said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. John 14:6 (NASB)

Therefore, the "heaven and earth" of which Jesus spoke and His apostles wrote was the Temple: the place where "heaven and earth" met under the Old Covenant so that God could teach His people of sin and atonement in preparing their hearts to receive Messiah.

Now, go back and read those verses from Peter and Revelation with this understanding in mind and you'll see why the Temple was destroyed:

{18} "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Matthew 5:18 (NASB)

Had the Temple NOT been destroyed, the Old Covenant would still be in effect according to Christ's own words! And when He says this:

{34} "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. {35}"Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. Matthew 24:34-35 (NASB)

He's telling them the Temple - represented by the phrase "heaven and earth" - WILL pass away, and it will happen during the lifetime of those to whom He is speaking: "this generation."

{13} When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear. Hebrews 8:13 (NASB)

The Temple - that last vestige of the Old Covenant - disappeared in 70AD and with it, every "smallest letter and stroke of the law" disappeared as well, just as Christ said it would.

There is no more sacrifice to be made. Ever. None. Not now or at any time in any future. The Old Covenant is completely and irrevocably gone.

That's all for now.

 

[warfrog]

The phrase "heaven and earth" - both as Jesus used it and as the apostles understood it - was a metaphor for the Temple. Here is what one Jewish scholar wrote about it:

Now, please recall this question, which no one has yet addressed:
Blue represents heaven, both the sky and the abode of God. Scarlet represents earth, the dust from which Adam (Hebrew for "red") was formed and the blood that flowed through him and in us.

Purple is the combination of these two primary colors: red and blue. It represents royalty and majesty. It also represents Christ: the union of heaven and earth; of God and man in one person, who came to earth to save us.

The veil in the Temple was made of fine linen and dyed in these three colors:

{31} "You shall make a veil of blue and purple and scarlet material and fine twisted linen; it shall be made with cherubim, the work of a skillful workman. Exodus 26:31 (NASB)

And here is where the shadow of the earthly Temple meets the substance of Christ:

{19} Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, {20} by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh, Hebrews 10:19-20 (NASB)

The blood (scarlet) of our Lord (purple), who came down from heaven (blue) to give us access to the Father which previously no one but the High Priest could enter into.

His flesh is the new veil through which any wishing to approach the Father must pass.

{6} Jesus *said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. John 14:6 (NASB)

Therefore, the "heaven and earth" of which Jesus spoke and His apostles wrote was the Temple: the place where "heaven and earth" met under the Old Covenant so that God could teach His people of sin and atonement in preparing their hearts to receive Messiah.

Now, go back and read those verses from Peter and Revelation with this understanding in mind and you'll see why the Temple was destroyed:

{18} "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Matthew 5:18 (NASB)

Had the Temple NOT been destroyed, the Old Covenant would still be in effect according to Christ's own words! And when He says this:

{34} "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. {35}"Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. Matthew 24:34-35 (NASB)

He's telling them the Temple - represented by the phrase "heaven and earth" - WILL pass away, and it will happen during the lifetime of those to whom He is speaking: "this generation."

{13} When He said, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear. Hebrews 8:13 (NASB)

The Temple - that last vestige of the Old Covenant - disappeared in 70AD and with it, every "smallest letter and stroke of the law" disappeared as well, just as Christ said it would.

There is no more sacrifice to be made. Ever. None. Not now or at any time in any future. The Old Covenant is completely and irrevocably gone.

That's all for now.

That would make sence if 2 Peter 3:7 didnt say heaven and earth is preserved for fire until the day of judgement and perdition of ungodly men.

Which is spoken right after the mentioning of how God flooded the world during Noah time.

Which Revelation 20:11-15 actually confirms both heaven and earths passng at the judgement and perdition of ungodly men:

"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire

Heaven and earth gone, judgement AND perdition of ungdly men occurs.

Heaven an earth literally mean heaven and earth, not a temple.

 

[Stormcrow]

Heaven and earth gone, judgement AND perdition of ungdly men occurs.

Heaven an earth literally mean heaven and earth, not a temple.

So then the Old Covenant remains in effect until the literal heavens and earth are destroyed at this future judgment, before which time Israel and those who convert to Judaism can be saved by adhering to the Law of Moses?

Hmmm...That would mean either you're right and "heaven and earth" literally means heaven and earth, which means every apostolic writer in the New Testament is wrong about the passing of the Old Covenant, or Christ is right, and the Old Covenant passed away with the destruction of the metaphoric "heaven and earth" in 70 AD.

Tough call, but I'm going with the Lord and Savior on this one.