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Whats up with all the fake pastors?

BrianDavidson

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What is your opinion on all these big name pastors that try to justify getting all the donation money for their own personal expenses?


Feels completely the opposite of what Jesus would do

Why do all these people at the top get so corrupted? I have yet to meet anyone in a significantly high position that is truly worthy of being called a Christian
 
What is your opinion on all these big name pastors that try to justify getting all the donation money for their own personal expenses?


Feels completely the opposite of what Jesus would do

Why do all these people at the top get so corrupted? I have yet to meet anyone in a significantly high position that is truly worthy of being called a Christian
The love of money is the root of all evil.
I have no regard for the money makers.
When I visit a new congregation, I look at how soon they ask for money as my first tip off of what kind of "church" it is.
 
The love of money is the root of all evil.
I have no regard for the money makers.
When I visit a new congregation, I look at how soon they ask for money as my first tip off of what kind of "church" it is.

All the ones I visit, first day lol
 
there's another christian forum I go to and the admin deleted it when I posted it, thats another way to tell what kind of "christians" they are
 
What is your opinion on all these big name pastors that try to justify getting all the donation money for their own personal expenses?


Feels completely the opposite of what Jesus would do

Why do all these people at the top get so corrupted? I have yet to meet anyone in a significantly high position that is truly worthy of being called a Christian
What's probably worse is the people that continue supporting them with the means.
 
The love of money is the root of all evil.
I have no regard for the money makers.
When I visit a new congregation, I look at how soon they ask for money as my first tip off of what kind of "church" it is.
There's a difference between money makers and money lovers.

Abraham was financially wealthy.
Isaac was financially wealthy.
Job was financially wealthy twice.
King Solomon was financially wealthy.
King David was financially wealthy.
Joseph was financially wealthy.

God does not demand us to be poor. What God is concerned with is how we use the riches (including financial wealth).

With your final statement above, are you sure love of money is not one of your own sins? Just because a church passes an offering plate doesn't mean they are money lovers. Perhaps you would be better off finding out what is done with the offerings collected. A full-time pastor needs food, shelter, and clothing just like the rest of us and the church may be providing that for him/her. A church building has expenses such as the building itself, electricity, water/sewer, heating/cooling, property and liability insurance, and so forth. The church could be using it to support other mission purposes and help those in need with food, shelter, clothing, etc.
 
There's a difference between money makers and money lovers.

Abraham was financially wealthy.
Isaac was financially wealthy.
Job was financially wealthy twice.
King Solomon was financially wealthy.
King David was financially wealthy.
Joseph was financially wealthy.

God does not demand us to be poor. What God is concerned with is how we use the riches (including financial wealth).

With your final statement above, are you sure love of money is not one of your own sins? Just because a church passes an offering plate doesn't mean they are money lovers. Perhaps you would be better off finding out what is done with the offerings collected. A full-time pastor needs food, shelter, and clothing just like the rest of us and the church may be providing that for him/her. A church building has expenses such as the building itself, electricity, water/sewer, heating/cooling, property and liability insurance, and so forth. The church could be using it to support other mission purposes and help those in need with food, shelter, clothing, etc.
The last church I was involved with as being vice president on the board of directors, we made available to anyone who wanted a copy of the finance reports in order for them to see where all the offering monies were directed to. The board set a certain percentage of the offerings to the Pastor to help meet the needs for his family. I feel every church should do this.
 
The last church I was involved with as being vice president on the board of directors, we made available to anyone who wanted a copy of the finance reports in order for them to see where all the offering monies were directed to. The board set a certain percentage of the offerings to the Pastor to help meet the needs for his family. I feel every church should do this.

Pure Brilliance
 
This video was interesting. He seems to not like a lot of these questions and seems a bit threatening. I did not like the overall feel of this interview. This guy does not make me comfortable based on this interview alone and his body language didn't settle this any better. He sounds sneaky. I've never really listened to him or anything or met him so I don't know for sure, but those were my thoughts about that. Bless this interviewer, she is so sweet and calm. She became uncomfortable near the end of that interview, though.

I don't know a lot of these big name pastors personally and only God knows their heart. There are some things that stick out as possibly fishy, though, about some of these big name pastors and a lot of it gears towards the financial most times. Some of them may be right with God and all the money and wealth they have and others may be totally in love with the idea and they only play the God facade.

Either way, people are people and we all make mistakes, we all sin, and the difference is some of us are sorry and repentant and want to change, but others don't want to take moral accountability and they take the batteries out of the smoke detector of their conscience and get to the point they are justifying their sin so they do not have to be accountable for it.

If some of these pastors are taking funds unnecessarily or saying these funds will go to one place and instead are taking them for themselves, this is something that I'm sure God is not fond of. Look at the example of Ananias and Sapphira - God takes theft from His people and His church seriously! There are major consequences!

There were some non-profit ministry owners that I personally knew and they were missionaries. They weren't "big name" people or anything. There were many of churches they were involved with both in and out of the USA and they often sought funding for their "missions." Earlier on, they lived on the mission field and the funding made sense. Later, they withdrew from living in the mission field and lived in the states - they only went back to those locations 1-2 times/year and not even for an overnighter - they would leave and come back the same day, but were still riding on that non-profit mission and still getting a few thousand dollars from churches here and there. They never told them their status of their missions - that they were rarely ever done anymore. They were using the money to pay for their cars, their house, and they would give a lot of it to their "favorite" son who was in college. If they were questioned about it, they were "funding a pastor" and their "room and board." Truth was, he was far from God - partying and drugs were his lifestyle, barely passing in school, losing his honor student status, and bringing other women over to live with him. Terrible! They would receive donations of toys and candy to take to kids back on the mission field, as well as tons of clothes and blankets. I remember they would try to dump it on my husband and I and say, "Oh yeah, find some people who need this stuff. I don't want it sitting around my house." and they would give it away to people to donate themselves or people that made plenty of money and didn't actually "need it." What would people who funded these individuals do if they learned where all their mission money was going? Not sure if they ever found out, but if they did, they would have probably defunded them. My husband called them out on it before, but they were unwilling to change it. If these big name pastors do the things that these "smaller name missionaries" ended up doing then it's a disgrace...an absolute disgrace.
 
I went to church once, the highlight was the music.
 
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This world isn't perfect that's for sure.
 
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The last church I was involved with as being vice president on the board of directors, we made available to anyone who wanted a copy of the finance reports in order for them to see where all the offering monies were directed to. The board set a certain percentage of the offerings to the Pastor to help meet the needs for his family. I feel every church should do this.
Our church has an annual congregational meeting in January when we decide as a whole congregation how the offerings are managed with one exception. Every year in November our council convenes to discuss our pastor's salary and then this is reported to the congregational meeting in January as well.

Edit: it should noted that we are a 2-point parish, sharing one pastor, so our November council meeting is a joint council meeting with both churches.
 
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The funniest part is he can't even explain it himself and knows he messed up.
 
Nearly every man made system is created so someone gets a nice slice of the pie while the rest get the crumbs or nothing.

Im still wondering why a private company is retaining 33 million in wage subsidy when it profit 211 million.
 
There's a difference between money makers and money lovers.

Abraham was financially wealthy.
Isaac was financially wealthy.
Job was financially wealthy twice.
King Solomon was financially wealthy.
King David was financially wealthy.
Joseph was financially wealthy.

God does not demand us to be poor. What God is concerned with is how we use the riches (including financial wealth).
I agree completely.
I'm glad you included Joseph of Arimathea, as he is the one I point to when the discussion turns to money being evil in and of itself.
Lazarus and his sisters are another example.
With your final statement above, are you sure love of money is not one of your own sins?
I am sure money is not something I worry about...thanks be to God.
Just because a church passes an offering plate doesn't mean they are money lovers. Perhaps you would be better off finding out what is done with the offerings collected. A full-time pastor needs food, shelter, and clothing just like the rest of us and the church may be providing that for him/her. A church building has expenses such as the building itself, electricity, water/sewer, heating/cooling, property and liability insurance, and so forth. The church could be using it to support other mission purposes and help those in need with food, shelter, clothing, etc.
God knows what we, and ministries, have need of.
And He is capable of providing for our needs.
But the priority on money is evident when it is the very first thing discussed at an alleged service.
 
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