What's your favorite OSAS passage?

[YosefHayim]

Okay, names and addresses and bedtimes for all those who posted have been noted.

Now it's my turn. Here is my favorite OSAS verse:

9 No * one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot * sin, because he is born of God.

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Well of course. The fruits of Christ and not ourselves. Phil 1:11

 

[JLB]

Okay, names and addresses and bedtimes for all those who posted have been noted.

Now it's my turn. Here is my favorite OSAS verse:

9 No * one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot * sin, because he is born of God.

2

Ok here's mine.

Romans 11:29. Which says eternal life is an irrevocable gift of God.



No need to write out the scripture, since my "interpretation" is far superior than what the scripture actually says.


JLB

 

[Kenny_ms]

Post your favorite 'Once Saved Always Saved' passage here, and, if you want, a BRIEF explanation of why it's your favorite.

I'm going to have to go with:

Luke 15:1-7 - The Parable of the Lost Sheep.
Luke 15:11-32 - The Parable of the Lost Son.

Why are they my favorite? Because they are very pertinent to OSAS and important verses to remember when pondering such.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Ok here's mine.

Romans 11:29. Which says eternal life is an irrevocable gift of God.



No need to write out the scripture, since my "interpretation" is far superior than what the scripture actually says.


JLB

I don't know, JLB. I think we're both in a jam and we may have to humble ourselves and admit we were wrong(?)

Rollo will gloat over this through all of eternity.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I don't know, JLB. I think we're both in a jam and we may have to humble ourselves and admit we were wrong(?)

Rollo will gloat over this through all of eternity.

I admitted I was wrong once.
I don't remember when it was but I think I did it.
Probably while Reba was hitting me.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

9 No * one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot * sin, because he is born of God.

This can't be, Rollo. Surely there is another translation, or something in the Greek, or some cultural understanding, or...or...something that will make it so I don't have to admit I've been wrong and that OSAS is true. Help me out here. Don't turn your back on your dear, committed, friend and brother who has stood faithfully by you through thick and thin!

Give me something here, Rollo.......something!

 

[AirDancer]

My favorite OSAS passage?

The one that says:

v1: "I'm right. You're wrong;"
v2: "Uh uh...I'm right. You're wrong;"

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

9 No * one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot * sin, because he is born of God.

This can't be, Rollo. Surely there is another translation, or something in the Greek, or some cultural understanding, or...or...something that will make it so I don't have to admit I've been wrong and that OSAS is true. Help me out here. Don't turn your back on your dear, committed, friend and brother who has stood faithfully by you through thick and thin!

Give me something here, Rollo.......something!

um, give me time, I'll write you a map of something, I don't know what yet.
But the answer is on the tip of my tongue.

 

[JLB]

I'm going to have to go with:

Luke 15:1-7 - The Parable of the Lost Sheep.
Luke 15:11-32 - The Parable of the Lost Son.

Why are they my favorite? Because they are very pertinent to OSAS and important verses to remember when pondering such.

This verse's are among some of my favorite as well, although for a different reason.

Because I know what it's like to be a lost sheep who has strayed, and been found again by my beloved Sheppard.

I had strayed and was lost, as any sinner can be.

That is what Jesus' point is as well.

And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7 I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:6-7

Let's examine what Jesus said.

The flock that the lost sheep strayed from is just (justified). The sheep that became lost, became a sinner.

The lost sheep was counted among the justified ones until he stayed and became lost, a sinner.

...over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

I hope you will ponder these things that are in the verses you presented for us.

James teaches the same principle.


Blessings to you.

JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Okay, I'm ready to surrender. I'm ready to officially and publicly admit I was wrong about OSAS.

This verse is just too convincing. I don't see any way around it. I've been wrong about OSAS:
9 No * one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot * sin, because he is born of God.

I Jethro Bodine / Anton Chigurh humbly confess and admit that I've been wro....

Wait.....
I've just been handed a note...

Hmm....
This changes everything:

"let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father." (1 John 2:24 NASB)



This press conference is over until this new information can be thoroughly reviewed. No admission of error yet, folks. :tongue

 

[JLB]

9 No * one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot * sin, because he is born of God.

This can't be, Rollo. Surely there is another translation, or something in the Greek, or some cultural understanding, or...or...something that will make it so I don't have to admit I've been wrong and that OSAS is true. Help me out here. Don't turn your back on your dear, committed, friend and brother who has stood faithfully by you through thick and thin!

Give me something here, Rollo.......something!

Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10

The key to understanding what John is teaching is found in the word or phrase before and after your verse 9.

When John says "does not sin" in verse 9, he is referring to "practicing (willful) sin".

Verse 7 - practice righteousness.

Verse 10 - does not practice righteousness.


And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.


JLB

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Okay, I'm ready to surrender. I'm ready to officially and publicly admit I was wrong about OSAS.

This verse is just too convincing. I don't see any way around it. I've been wrong about OSAS:
9 No * one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot * sin, because he is born of God.

I Jethro Bodine / Anton Chigurh humbly confess and admit that I've been wro....

Wait.....
I've just been handed a note...

Hmm....
This changes everything:

"let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father." (1 John 2:24 NASB)



This press conference is over until this new information can be thoroughly reviewed. No admission of error yet, folks. :tongue

Dear Jethro, once upon a time a long long time ago, I quoted Psalm 23:6 as my basis for OSAS.
No one to this day has ever been able to refute this verse.
One person did say it may be referring to this life only, but the Hebrew does not support this point of view.
I will stand by this verse forever.

 

[JLB]

Dear Jethro, once upon a time a long long time ago, I quoted Psalm 23:6 as my basis for OSAS.
No one to this day has ever been able to refute this verse.
One person did say it may be referring to this life only, but the Hebrew does not support this point of view.
I will stand by this verse forever.

As long as you are King David, who walked with God his whole life, this verse is a beautiful promise from God.

Or you are Jesus Christ, to Whom this prophetically applies.

JLB

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Dear Jethro, once upon a time a long long time ago, I quoted Psalm 23:6 as my basis for OSAS.
No one to this day has ever been able to refute this verse.
One person did say it may be referring to this life only, but the Hebrew does not support this point of view.
I will stand by this verse forever.

I don't see any difficulty for NON-OSAS with the passage. And, honestly, it's not one I would use if I was OSAS.

King David had faith. That's what you need to be secure in God. I have no problem with David knowing that he had come to the place that he would not disown God. I personally believe a person can grow to that point that they can not be persuaded to renounce God. These are in the fourth kind of soil in the parable of the seed:

"15 "But the seed in the good soil, these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance." (Luke 8:15 NASB)

The point remains, it is necessary that one hold fast in the faith--the faith that bears fruit--to be saved through that faith. Faith is the security of salvation, not the satisfactory performance of work, and certainly not the lack of faith as some claim.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

"As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father." (1 John 2:24 NASB)

Rollo Tamasi, have you been excused from this warning because the word of God abides in you and you have nothing to worry about? Or does it apply to you for the very reason the Word of God does dwell in you?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

"As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father." (1 John 2:24 NASB)

Rollo Tamasi, have you been excused from this warning because the word of God abides in you and you have nothing to worry about? Or does it apply to you for the very reason the Word of God does dwell in you?

The question is "why does the Word of God abide in me forever"?
Is it because I do it in my own strength or is it because the Spirit of God will never let go of me?
How can I say "I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever" if there is a chance that I will fall away?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

As long as you are King David, who walked with God his whole life, this verse is a beautiful promise from God.

Or you are Jesus Christ, to Whom this prophetically applies.

JLB

If this verse does not speak to you personally, then I would not expect you to understand it.

 

[Kenny_ms]

This verse's are among some of my favorite as well, although for a different reason.

Because I know what it's like to be a lost sheep who has strayed, and been found again by my beloved Sheppard.

I had strayed and was lost, as any sinner can be.

That is what Jesus' point is as well.

And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ 7 I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:6-7

Let's examine what Jesus said.

The flock that the lost sheep strayed from is just (justified). The sheep that became lost, became a sinner.

The lost sheep was counted among the justified ones until he stayed and became lost, a sinner.

...over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

I hope you will ponder these things that are in the verses you presented for us.

James teaches the same principle.


Blessings to you.

JLB

This verse's are among some of my favorite as well, although for a different reason.

I get exactly the same as you from those verses and we like the verses for the same reason.

Jethro asked for verses on OSAS, he didn't stipulate the verses had to defend it or not .

 

[JLB]

This verse's are among some of my favorite as well, although for a different reason.

I get exactly the same as you from those verses and we like the verses for the same reason.

Jethro asked for verses on OSAS, he didn't stipulate the verses had to defend it or not .

Could we discuss these verse's a little further, and compare how you and I interpret the meaning of what Jesus is teaching?


JLB

 

[JLB]

If this verse does not speak to you personally, then I would not expect you to understand it.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me All the days of my life; And I will dwell in the house of the Lord Forever. Psalm 23:6

If God has "spoken this verse to you personally", and it has become Rhema to you, then that is great.

Let's not ignore who actually spoke these word's, and let's not try to apply this verse to everyone, as the OSAS folks try to do.

A Psalm of David. The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. Psalm 23:1

Direct Interpretation = these are the word's that King David literally spoke, and was penned by his scribe, and became scripture for us to read and be taught.


Prophetic Implication = These word's prophetically apply to Jesus. If we examine the context, I think you will agree.

1 To the Chief Musician. Set to 'The Deer of the Dawn.' A Psalm of David. My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me? Why are You so far from helping Me, And from the words of My groaning... Psalm 22:1

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?" Matthew 27:46

16 For dogs have surrounded Me; The congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me. They pierced My hands and My feet;


18 They divide My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots. Psalm 22:1,7-8,16,18

Then they crucified Him, and divided His garments, casting lots, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet: "They divided My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots." Matthew 27:35

David, by the Spirit records the words of Jesus, even as He descends down to the heart of the earth...

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; For You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me
Psalm 23:4

As Jonah also says by the Spirit, about this -

And he said: "I cried out to the Lord because of my affliction, And He answered me. "Out of the belly of Sheol I cried, And You heard my voice.
Jonah 2:2


So if the Lord has spoken this to you as a word of "personal application", or "Rhema", then you sir are truly blessed.


JLB