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whats your thoughts on survival, and being prepared?

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johnny botwright

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A few sites i visit , people have started storing food and water, have things packed, ready to load a vehicle, and move if they have to, some have things set up in remote places to fall back on, i see where they are coming from, doesn’t take long for society to brake down, if push comes to shove, if nothing happens fine, but what if, ?

· There is talk of financial collapse, the Dollar , Euro, march April? some see riots and looting becoming wide spread, some feel swine flu, h1n1 will keep mutating, becoming a deadlier strain,some ready to move, into the cold of the mountains,

nasa predict soon , that solar flares could be power full enough , to take out national grids , happened in Canada, nasa saying national grids could be affected for up to three years?

War, i read the other day that 90 percent of the population in America, could again not saying they will , or this will occur, but the weapons and technology is in place, and this is possable in hours , not days,

Russia one of many countries , paticularly Moscow, building a lot of new nuclear bunkers?
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· Im not saying these things will happen, but they can,

We see Jesus telling the disciples, a time would come in Israel, and it would be the right time, to flee into the mountains of Judea,
some feel such a time is at hand, here? upon us? johnny
 
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johnny botwright said:
A few sites i visit , people have started storing food and water, have things packed, ready to load a vehicle, and move if they have to, some have things set up in remote places to fall back on, i see where they are coming from, doesn’t take long for society to brake down, if push comes to shove, if nothing happens fine, but what if, ?

· There is talk of financial collapse, the Dollar , Euro, march April? some see riots and looting becoming wide spread, some feel swine flu, h1n1 will keep mutating, becoming a deadlier strain,some ready to move, into the cold of the mountains,

nasa predict soon , that solar flares could be power full enough , to take out national grids , happened in Canada, nasa saying national grids could be affected for up to three years?

War, i read the other day that 90 percent of the population in America, could again not saying they will , or this will occur, but the weapons and technology is in place, and this is possable in hours , not days,

Russia one of many countries , paticularly Moscow, building a lot of new nuclear bunkers?
·
· Im not saying these things will happen, but they can,

We see Jesus telling the disciples, a time would come in Israel, and it would be the right time, to flee into the mountains of Judea,
some feel such a time is at hand, here? upon us? johnny
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Hi Johnny,
It's more important to be prepared spiritually, don't you think? God said He would meet all of our needs.

Phillipians4: <SUP id=en-ASV-29462 class=versenum>19</SUP> And my God shall supply every need of yours according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus.
 
johnny botwright said:
A few sites i visit , people have started storing food and water, have things packed, ready to load a vehicle, and move if they have to, some have things set up in remote places to fall back on, i see where they are coming from, doesn’t take long for society to brake down, if push comes to shove, if nothing happens fine, but what if, ?

· There is talk of financial collapse, the Dollar , Euro, march April? some see riots and looting becoming wide spread, some feel swine flu, h1n1 will keep mutating, becoming a deadlier strain,some ready to move, into the cold of the mountains,

nasa predict soon , that solar flares could be power full enough , to take out national grids , happened in Canada, nasa saying national grids could be affected for up to three years?

War, i read the other day that 90 percent of the population in America, could again not saying they will , or this will occur, but the weapons and technology is in place, and this is possable in hours , not days,

Russia one of many countries , paticularly Moscow, building a lot of new nuclear bunkers?
·
· Im not saying these things will happen, but they can,

We see Jesus telling the disciples, a time would come in Israel, and it would be the right time, to flee into the mountains of Judea,
some feel such a time is at hand, here? upon us? johnny
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So when are you moving?
 
We see Joseph preparing Eygpt, and Israel being delivered, Pharoahs dream concerning the two cows,

yes there are things God will put in place, other pratical measures we can put in place.

we know we are all in range, and it can happen on a day just like to day,

Take what Jesus said, in the days of Noah, people were just carrying on as usual, marrying , business, and then the flood came,

When Abraham warned Lot, they laughed at him,

we see Jesus also talking of such a tribulation, that unless God shortened those days, no one would survive.

some other strong statements made in the minor Prophets, I will bring an end to the earth, yes a terrible one, through fire, ect.

take recent events we have wittnessed around the world, how many where ready, prepared, for the events that have unfolded, floods ect. johnny
 
Johnny, this is not personal, but I can't imagine living every day consumed with this. You said nothing might happen, and asked "what if is does?" Well, I'll stay steadfast in the faith, knowing He is my Rock. Whatever happened to trusting in the Lord?

Citing Noah and Abraham doesn't work, unless the Lord is speaking to you about these specific events. The prophets received specific message from God to give His people. I'm suspecting He hasn't spoken clearly to you and that you are depending on your own understanding of events around the world.

I haven't engaged you in your threads, because they simply don't resonate with me. I try to be discerning of things I should avoid, but I'm not going to be paralyzed in fear, because I've put my trust in He Who sustains me. I'm certainly not about to dig a shelter or pack up the family and move to the mountains.

With different understandings of end-times, this is what I hold. When it is time, Christ will return and that will be that. That will be the end. I don't want to turn this into an eschatology debate. I'm just giving you my reasons for not responding to all of these "signs" that you point to. I'll keep my lamp filled with oil and wait for Christ's return, focused on Him.
 
I'm not paranoid about the end of the world or anything, but by hap and chance I think our family would fare pretty well.

Due to the many times we've lost power for days, we purchased a 5000 watt generator years ago, so as long as we have gasoline to run the generator, we've got electricity to power the freezer, and since we're on a well, we have water. Push come to shove, there is an open well directly beneath my wife's sewing room. It wouldn't take much to take up that section of the floor if I had to. If anyone's wondering, I have a house that's over 100 years old.

Another thing is we primarily burn wood to heat our house. Two years ago we ran out of propane and had to heat our house for almost a week in the dead of winter with wood and we did great.

Along with our generator for when the power goes out, we also have many candles as well as oil lamps for light. BTW, we've already lost power once this winter for 2 days...

Canned food. We have several months of food stored away. Hey, we like to buy in bulk. It's just cheaper that way.

Meat: Yeah, we've got way too many deer in our area. Almost hit one of them on the way home from church last night. Shouldn't be a problem.
 
Johnny never said anything about fear


I think it shows that if this stuff did happen you guys would be afraid

I don't fear death, I suppose you don't either

don't get attached to the comfortable lifestyle

anything could happen
20 Ways the World Could End Swept away

funny aint it

Praise be to God
 
Firstly im not consumed by it, i believe good plannig, organization , can be Key, give you the edge, put you one or two steps ahead,
we know the storm is coming, better to prepare, while we have the time opportunity, than when the storm brakes,
maybe to late then,

in the UK alot of people more and more so, are moving away from super market food, because of the quality of the food, when its mass produced, so people are rearing their own animals, poultry, growing things, some are now pretty self suffient, in as much they can sustain themselves . wind solar power, also, methane.

some see the flaw on being totaly dependant on the system as such, posted here, talk of financial collapse, that could happen, this year, as early as march, hyper inflation, this remains to be seen/?

then nasa,s report about solar flares for example, becoming powerfull enough , to take out national grids, and effect national grids , for up to three years.

if you live in a city, every thing is pretty much dependent on electricity, super market check outs, fuel pumps,
water, a city with out power for just one week, would present some major problems.

so its no bad thing in my mind , to be pratical and say , just in case, people living in drought hit australia, didnt imagine that soon water would be up to their roofs,

this is not even touching on what is written, ie end time events, Great tribulation, ect like wise a global missile fire storm.
or not being able to buy or sell, ie the mark of the beast, ect.

a lot of people feel they can see the writting on the wall, and feel better to be safe than sorry.
prepared than unprepared, yes we need spiritual oil in our lamps, the same could apply in the natural realm, those who were prepared and those who wernt?

should christians arm them selves, some already are. /

who wouldnt want to be in steves postion, as he mentions in his post, generater water, a store of food, hunting ect.

johnny
 
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Johny,

I think you hit something square on the head that most take for granted. Electricity.

Several years back the whole N.E. electrical grid went down in the middle of summer for about a week. I remember that day very clearly. All I can say is chaos. That meant that the street lights were not working. It caused massive traffic jams. People were literally running out of gas and I was almost one of them because no electricity means no energy to run the gas pumps. I made it home on fumes.

Detroit was a wreck and crime spiked, as did the violence reported in the city and suburbs.

Aside from loosing a freezer full of meat, it was that incident that caused me to purchase my generator and adopt the policy to always have at least 5 gallons of gas at home.

Am I paranoid? No. But it never hurts to be prepared, and I think that's what I hear you saying.
 
Certainly is, take Joseph, prewarned, not the world as they knew it was going to end, not the end of the world, but we,ll say warned of a weather cycle that would bring seven good years, followed by severe drought famine,

extreams if you like, Australia drougt, flood, ect

now Jospeth could have said, oh Gods in control, he will provide for all our needs when the times comes, manna from heaven, and done nothing,
which may have led to a disasterous out come for eygpt and israel,

but instead they planed and prepared, and they made it through the seven years that followed,

im believe in doing all we can, fair enough God will do the rest, i grow vegatables , i dig the ground, plant the seed ,
water , gather the produce when its ready,

so lets see the things we can do, using what God has given us, as with planing as mike mentiones it is about hearing from the Lord, timing, wisdom from on high.

had seven good years, rolled into another seven good years, they would have a totaly different approach,

we used to have food mountains in the uk, even paying farmers not to grow crops, sell heards , such was the surplus, now its all about shortages, and prices going up.

today for £1.00 you might buy two cans of beans, soon that same £1.00 may only by one can. johnny
 
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I think it's prudent to be aware and prepared as best you can for what might happen.

I have a B.O.B. ready to go and have taken provisions to protect and provide for my family should a disaster occur.
 
Joseph and Mary warned to flee with Jesus to Egypt, because of Herods plan, warnings from on high, that involve in us taking action, some times all we need is the common sence God has given us, to put our selves in the right place at the right time.

my mother who lived in kisumu , when your phone lines went dead, and you lost your electricity, you knew trouble was coming it was time to move, if not you would become trapped,

being trapped in any city, in the dark, with mobs on the rampage,can be the wrong place at the wrong time. johnny
 
I agree that it is prudent to take some precautionery steps. Build up a small savings account to cover an emergency bill, retirement planning, generators, backup heating source, etc.

What we have to watch out for is that we remember why we are doing this. If it is out of fear of tomorrow then it might not be such a good thing. If we are driven to be too prepared that it starts to consume our lives and we neglect our family in the process then it might not be a good thing. If we are doing to the point of hording, it is not a good thing.

Do not store up for yourselves treasures that which can be taken away but store up your treasures in heaven where nothing can take it away.
 
Storing up your treasures is a different thing, its speaking about where your heart is at, on earth or in heaven,

im just talking about forward thinking planing, when i was taught to drive coaches, i had a very good instructor, who taught me to read the road a head,as far as i could, youre high up, look through that gap in the hedge, see where the banks were high, and could conceal, a sports car, which are lower to the ground, even think for other people, or what other peoples action might be, that would affect me, and 52 passengers.

some one pulling out at the wrong time, over takin in the wrong place. by reading the road ahead, it was true, it often then gave you enough time to advoid an incident.

johnny
 
intresting reply i recieved

Of course its time to prepare, but what I want to know where the info
on the gulf current stalling comes from. Is it reliable, because if this is true
famine is on the wing. I'm originally form Rhode Island. The gulf stream is
what brings the warming in the spring along with the fish.

The weather in New England would be horrible without the gulf stream, I hope
this is not true, but most likely is.

If the gulf is broken famine is close behind, get food,

here is what we suggest for storage foods.

Many people have no idea where to begin in getting storage foods. This will give you a good and healthy start:
This is a guide for 2 people for about 3 years...

* Organic Hard Red Winter Wheat, figure about 500 lb would last 2 people about 3 years, comfortably (and a grain mill --- we suggest this one... https://www.usaemergencysupply.com/emer ... n_mill.htm ).
* Organic Short Grain Brown Rice (Lundberg is a good brand) also, about 500 lb.
* Dehydrated vegetables from Gourmet spices, herbs, essential oils, potpourri, green tea - bulk and wholesale. This is a great site. We get our tea there as well. The dehydrated veges we get most from them are called "soup mix". It does not contain any chemical flavorings or the like, just a mixture of healthy veges. It's about $6 a pound and that lasts us at least a month. Check out the whole sfherb site...they also sell dried fruits, etc.
* Legumes of your choice, also about 500 lb total. Any combination of lentils, anaszi beans (highest nutrition in a bean), pinto beans, etc.
* Torbinado Sugar 100 lb per year
* Sea Salt (has iodine and other minerals in it - you will need that) 100 lb per year.

Food grade barrels are the best thing to put dried food into, but new they're kinda expensive
($85 for a 55 gallon barrel, used $10). If you look around you'll find a food manufacturer or restaurant that has used ones for cheap. Also look at dairies for used barrels. We have large (35 and 55 gallon) plastic barrels that we keep ours in, have done so for several years, with only bay leaves in with the foods and have had no problems with bugs, etc.


What you DON'T want to get is prepared foods, like MREs, Costco Survival Food Buckets, etc. They are full of things like high fructose corn syrup, extreme sodiums, GMO foods, msg, tvp -- these are not things that will keep you healthy. In fact, if you are eating those things now, you should cut down on them and eventually stop.
 
I'm not a wheatgrass kind of guy. I like my food fast and greasy.
 
i see they are now talking of super storms hitting calafornia, as very possable, ? 300 billion dollars of damage estimated by such an event. johnny
 
johnny botwright said:
A few sites i visit , people have started storing food and water, have things packed, ready to load a vehicle, and move if they have to, some have things set up in remote places to fall back on, i see where they are coming from, doesn’t take long for society to brake down, if push comes to shove, if nothing happens fine, but what if, ?
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It would be interesting to find out what sites you are visiting.

· There is talk of financial collapse, the Dollar , Euro, march April? some see riots and looting becoming wide spread, some feel swine flu, h1n1 will keep mutating, becoming a deadlier strain,some ready to move, into the cold of the mountains,
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The flu has NEVER turned out to be the crisis the media makes it out to be, so you can relax there. As far as economic collapse - what of it? Do you think there will be ANY place to hide? I don't.

nasa predict soon , that solar flares could be power full enough , to take out national grids , happened in Canada, nasa saying national grids could be affected for up to three years?
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I moderate a science discussion board (thespaceport.us/forum) and have read no such predictions - and we have a NASA employee (actually three) on the site at this time. Again, you got this from some 'woo-woo' site, didn't you? (You may not have KNOWN it was a woo-woo site, but I'm here to tell you that it IS).

War, i read the other day that 90 percent of the population in America, could again not saying they will , or this will occur, but the weapons and technology is in place, and this is possable in hours , not days,
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You did not even finish this thought, not sure where you were going with it....

We see Jesus telling the disciples, a time would come in Israel, and it would be the right time, to flee into the mountains of Judea,
some feel such a time is at hand, here? upon us? johnny
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I can't GET to the mountains of Judea from here, sucks to be me, I guess.

Look, Jesus told the disciples a LOT of things that, while they don't apply to us - we are expected to LEARN from them. I believe Christ will return someday. But I also believe that I need not prepare - that preparation is somewhat futile - in the environment described, there will be little that a ton of money, water or food will do for me. While we WILL see some of the end times, I do not believe, from reading revelation, that we will be here for the judgment and wrath of God - it is not directed at us.
 
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